if that is the Premier league

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:40 pm

best league in the world. what a disgrace. seen better up the fenny

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:07 pm

Definitely worth a new thread.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:09 pm

Bloody disgraceful.. The lower leagues could dish up better than that

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:09 pm

i agree Frank. thats good to hear from someone who is thought so highly of on this board

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:10 pm

I suspect teams at the bottom of La Liga, Serie A etc. aren't very good, probably far worse.

So yes, probably the best.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:12 pm

Spijed wrote:I suspect teams at the bottom of La Liga, Serie A etc. aren't very good, probably far worse.

So yes, probably the best.

im not sure about that. i went up the arbories 2 weeks ago. it was better football. did we string 5 passes together today.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:13 pm

Does it really matter whether it is or it isn't!

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:13 pm

Spijed wrote:I suspect teams at the bottom of La Liga, Serie A etc. aren't very good, probably far worse.

So yes, probably the best.

And I bet there budget a fraction of the bottom teams in the Premier League too.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:14 pm

Leisure wrote:Does it really matter whether it is or it isn't!

oh god. the resident pleb is here

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:14 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:i agree Frank. thats good to hear from someone so thought so highly of on this board

I think you're trying to say I'm highly thought of and it's good to hear. Which is good to hear.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:15 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:im not sure about that. i went up the arbories 2 weeks ago. it was better football. did we string 5 passes together today.

Just remind me how many points you get for stringing 5 passed together?

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:15 pm

youre right. ps ive no idea who you are if honest.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:16 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:oh god. the resident pleb is here

Ooh get you!

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:16 pm

ps you dont get the point obviously

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:21 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:ps you dont get the point obviously

Point! We got 3 and without being able to string 5 passes together!

PS - I'm quite pleased that you consider me as high as a commoner!

PPS - You sorted out your dog poo problem yet?

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:29 pm

No- its the runt end of the PL

Unfortunately they are miles apart

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:39 pm

That's exactly what it is. About collecting points. We got three today. They got none and are now 5 points behind us. It doesn't matter if Colin bemoans his luck because nothing will change for them today. If you are a fan of the 'beautiful game' then don't bother watching us or for that matter probably half of this league because you're not likely to see it. Yes, it was dire today and uninspiring but I can think of many supposed 'giants' of the game,still living off former glories, who would gladly swap places with us in a heartbeat but they can't because they are playing lower league football

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:56 pm

The problem with those who clamour for "more attractive football" and the slagging off of our version of "hoofball" and "Dycheball" is that should we actually be mid table in the Championship next season, BUT be playing brilliant, fast flowing, attacking footy (which inevitably means conceding a few goals as well btw), we would only have about 11,000 people turning up to watch and those who were clamouring for it most would probably be conspicuous by their absence. A generalisation, I know, but the point I'm making is that it really is about getting the points and staying in the division. Brilliant passing and exciting footy ain't going to fill The Turf if we're in the Championship, no matter what some might have us believe.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:05 pm

It's the wealthiest most hyped up league but not the best IMHO.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:08 pm

bfcjg wrote:It's the wealthiest most hyped up league but not the best IMHO.

But is there a better league?

Take out the top clubs from either the Spanish, German or Italian leagues and can you say those clubs at the bottom in those countries are better than either us or Cardiff, for example?

That's how you have to compare - like for like.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:13 pm

That's true. All the European leagues have a small (ish) bunch of elite clubs genuinely competing to win it up at the top and then a large group of also rans below them, just playing to stay in the division every season. Very, very occasionally one of the also rans does a Leicester or a Wolfsburg, but that really is as rare as hen's teeth.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:15 pm

. thinks he can see a better game on Padiham

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:46 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:im not sure about that. i went up the arbories 2 weeks ago. it was better football. did we string 5 passes together today.

Yes we did

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:03 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:The problem with those who clamour for "more attractive football" and the slagging off of our version of "hoofball" and "Dycheball" is that should we actually be mid table in the Championship next season, BUT be playing brilliant, fast flowing, attacking footy (which inevitably means conceding a few goals as well btw), we would only have about 11,000 people turning up to watch and those who were clamouring for it most would probably be conspicuous by their absence. A generalisation, I know, but the point I'm making is that it really is about getting the points and staying in the division. Brilliant passing and exciting footy ain't going to fill The Turf if we're in the Championship, no matter what some might have us believe.

Eddie Howe was playing attractive football prior to his departure,although not winning football,his last 2 home games,Millwall 2-2 draw had an attendance of 11,192,the Sheffield Wednesday midweek fixture had a crowd of 12,122 with i'm guessing a fair travelling support.

I don't have all the stats but offhand most of our Championship seasons have averaged 12-14k at most,also where would all this attacking be recruited from,if relegation occurred there would be cost-cutting measures,and with the moneyed clubs at that level,even with parachute payments and relegation clauses triggered,belts would have too be tightened.

If the worst happened and Sean took us down and then left or was fired,which manager would have us playing fantasy football in the Championship,and being successful i don't see a long line waiting in the wings,a couple of suggestions from me would be Paul Cook or Joey,but if either scenario came to pass i'm sure plenty of posters would soon find fault.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:06 pm

I do not understand why the sarcastic "best league in the world" phrase has to be reeled out after every poor game in the Prem. For what it's worth both Cardiff and Burnley would probably comfortably beat the equivalently placed Bundesliga side, for example.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:09 pm

tiger76 wrote:Eddie Howe was playing attractive football prior to his departure,although not winning football,his last 2 home games,Millwall 2-2 draw had an attendance of 11,192,the Sheffield Wednesday midweek fixture had a crowd of 12,122 with i'm guessing a fair travelling support.

I don't have all the stats but offhand most of our Championship seasons have averaged 12-14k at most,also where would all this attacking be recruited from,if relegation occurred there would be cost-cutting measures,and with the moneyed clubs at that level,even with parachute payments and relegation clauses triggered,belts would have too be tightened.

If the worst happened and Sean took us down and then left or was fired,which manager would have us playing fantasy football in the Championship,and being successful i don't see a long line waiting in the wings,a couple of suggestions from me would be Paul Cook or Joey,but if either scenario came to pass i'm sure plenty of posters would soon find fault.

Eddie Howe was,at best, treading water prior to him returning south. Add to those games his final game at Selhurst Park, a 4-3 defeat after leading 2-0, his final wave of the white flag.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:13 pm

******* modern fans eh. Who gives a **** whether we played like Wimbledon? We won. Thats the most important thing.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:15 pm

SGr wrote:I do not understand why the sarcastic "best league in the world" phrase has to be reeled out after every poor game in the Prem. For what it's worth both Cardiff and Burnley would probably comfortably beat the equivalently placed Bundesliga side, for example.

I would love to see a competition that pitted 1-20 in the PL against 1-20 in the Bundesliga, Serie A or La Liga. Home and away to make a winner at each position then total up the points!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:17 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Eddie Howe was,at best, treading water prior to him returning south. Add to those games his final game at Selhurst Park, a 4-3 defeat after leading 2-0, his final wave of the white flag.

I don't disagree,but apparently all our fans want is excitement and goals,he certainly delivered them but if he'd stayed we would probably have been relegated however.

Eddie for whatever reason has found his niche at Bournemouth and Sean his at Burnley.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:25 pm

tiger76 wrote:I don't disagree,but apparently all our fans want is excitement and goals,he certainly delivered them but if he'd stayed we would probably have been relegated however.

Eddie for whatever reason has found his niche at Bournemouth and Sean his at Burnley.

And that would have been relegation to Division One (third tier of English football).

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:27 pm

We would never have been relegated under howe.

And for what its worth most fans werent keen on him or his football either. But thats burnley fans all over. we could have guardiola and many would moan.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Some people hate off when we win

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:54 pm

I think in years to come some people are going to regret not chilling out a bit and enjoying a golden era in the club’s history a little bit more.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:We would never have been relegated under howe.

And for what its worth most fans werent keen on him or his football either. But thats burnley fans all over. we could have guardiola and many would moan.

And where were we going then under Howe? Certainly not upwards.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:00 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:And where were we going then under Howe? Certainly not upwards.

Do you moan for the sake of moaning? Be happy or be off with you!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:05 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:And where were we going then under Howe? Certainly not upwards.

Probably the same place we both ended up.

Stproc · Post by **Stproc** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:07 pm

Fulham play lovely attacking football, have spent over £100,000,000 on fancy foreign players plus their wages. And they are currently doing very well I believe.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:09 pm

Most people on here moan. It's part of the DNA of following a club like ours. I just say what I want to say and as for Howe I firmly believe he'd 'thrown in the towel' long before he left. Dyche has a lot of hard work ahead of him currently but one thing I wouldn't expect him to do is surrender.

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:09 pm

martin_p wrote:I think in years to come some people are going to regret not chilling out a bit and enjoying a golden era in the club’s history a little bit more.

Couldn't agree more

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:12 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:And where were we going then under Howe? Certainly not upwards.

We've being heading upwards for a long time now and a good while before eddies arrival.nice to see the league table tonight above a lot much richer clubs also...

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:13 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:... it really is about getting the points and staying in the division...

This is the language of accountancy, not football.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:17 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Most people on here moan. It's part of the DNA of following a club like ours. I just say what I want to say and as for Howe I firmly believe he'd 'thrown in the towel' long before he left. Dyche has a lot of hard work ahead of him currently but one thing I wouldn't expect him to do is surrender.

Part of the DNA you talk about is reserved for the west hams and Arsenals...but your right we have our fair share of moaners especially on here.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:18 pm

thatdberight wrote:This is the language of accountancy, not football.

Fine margins.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:20 pm

thatdberight wrote:This is the language of accountancy, not football.

Does the same apply to clubs fighting 'tooth and nail' to win promotion, get into the play-offs or stave off relegation? A lot of clubs involved in those scenarios,in fact the majority of clubs.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:28 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Does the same apply to clubs fighting 'tooth and nail' to win promotion, get into the play-offs or stave off relegation? A lot of clubs involved in those scenarios,in fact the majority of clubs.

You're right - but it's madness to suggest that only by staying in this division can it be enjoyable. And if the crowds are down to 12,000 - so what? If you're one of the 12,000 you're still enjoying it and if you're not, it's clearly not that big a thing to you. Many of the games and days I remember most fondly were not played in front of 50K, 30K or even 20K+ crowds.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:53 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Probably the same place we both ended up.

Are you saying that we’d have been promoted under Howe? If so, I disagree.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:01 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Are you saying that we’d have been promoted under Howe? If so, I disagree.

Well we went up and eventually stayed up.

And he went up and stayed up.

So yes. I am. His record and ours shows that was more likely than not. And certainly more likely than going down.

We had Stanislas, Ings, Austin, Vokes, Grant, Mee, Trippier, Rodriguez under Howe. All of whom went to, and Rodriguez aside are still in the premier league.

Ultimately it doesnt matter as it worked out for all of us.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:08 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Well we went up and eventually stayed up.

And he went up and stayed up.

So yes. I am. His record and ours shows that was more likely than not. And certainly more likely than going down.

We had Stanislas, Ings, Austin, Vokes, Grant, Mee, Trippier, Rodriguez under Howe. All of whom went to, and Rodriguez aside are still in the premier league.

Ultimately it doesnt matter as it worked out for all of us.

Eddie Howe has done a very good job at Bournemouth, without a doubt. I honestly don’t think he’d have got us promoted from the Championship though. We had glaring weaknesses at the back, which Howe didn’t seem too interested in addressing, and still doesn’t seem to with his current Bournemouth side.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:26 am

Manchester United have untold wealth and the talent to match the ambition of anyone.

In the grand scheme of things I bet Burnley and Sean Dyche are viewed as doing 'okay at the moment'. His comment yesterday about getting 'time on the grass' is probably valid. We may not have spent long in Europe but it probably took over a week of training away from him in real terms due to travelling.

The armchair fans probably don't watch much beyond Top 6 games anyway.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:53 pm

Spijed wrote:But is there a better league?

Take out the top clubs from either the Spanish, German or Italian leagues and can you say those clubs at the bottom in those countries are better than either us or Cardiff, for example?

That's how you have to compare - like for like.

I think the point is that yes, if you take the top teams out of the other leagues the rest would be very average but if you took the best out of the PL the same would apply to us. The question then is, is their crap any worse than our crap and the answer is probably not. If you judge by the TOP sides then we are definitely not the best judging by what happens in the Champions League.
Ergo it would appear that the PL is not the best.
Well that's my belief and I'm sticking to it.