Team for Sat

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:00 pm

Hart
Lowton Mee Tark/Long LB ?
JBG Cork/Hendrick Defour Lennon
Vydra Vokes

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:08 pm

Same team that's beaten Bournemouth and Cardiff.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:09 pm

Hart
Lowton Mee Long Ward
JBG Defour Cork/Westwood Lennon
Vydra Vokes

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:09 pm

Westwood involved with both goals at Cardiff!?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:10 pm

Westy must start.
One of the first names on the team sheet at the moment.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:10 pm

So you’ve dropped Westwood, who played a big part in both our goals yesterday, for a man who has played 60 minutes in the last 8 months.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:11 pm

Why on earth would Defour start?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:13 pm

martin_p wrote:Why on earth would Defour start?

Cos he is fit and comfortably our best player....apart from that no idea

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:13 pm

Ward
Ward Ward Ward Ward
Ward Ward Ward Ward
Ward Ward

Subs
Ward Ward Ward Ward Ward Ward Taylor (or Ward if Taylor not fit)

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:14 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Ward
Ward Ward Ward Ward
Ward Ward Ward Ward
Ward Ward

Subs
Ward Ward Ward Ward Ward Ward Taylor (or Ward if Taylor not fit)

Cock

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:14 pm

For the same reason De Bruyne will start at City when he's fit, despite them being top of the league.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:14 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Cos he is fit and comfortably our best player....apart from that no idea

He certainly isn’t 90 minute fit.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:15 pm

martin_p wrote:He certainly isn’t 90 minute fit.

Let the ginger genius be the judge of that

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:15 pm

So play him for 60.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:15 pm

We've won 2 of the last 2 Prem games.

Let's change it. Super idea.

(sarcasm enclosed).

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:16 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Let the ginger genius be the judge of that

He already has, he didn’t start yesterday.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:16 pm

martin_p wrote:He already has, he didn’t start yesterday.

Wasting your time martin. guy is a clown

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:17 pm

martin_p wrote:He already has, he didn’t start yesterday.

Had another game today. Doesn’t take inspector cluseau to work out he may be there by Saturday

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:19 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Wasting your time martin. guy is a clown

Thanks. You on the the other hand with your childish team selection (which is what this thread is about) are from the Einstein society of the north

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:25 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Cos he is fit and comfortably our best player....apart from that no idea

If he was fit, he wouldnt be playing for the under 23s.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:29 pm

He made the bench yesterday and so should be fit on Saturday

IMO

If I’m allowed one.

The thread is about who u think should play at the weekend...if fit Defour plays for me.

What is most amazing is that the ones bemoaning 50 odd percent pass completion wouldn’t start our best passer...genius of shankleyesque proportions

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:32 pm

The thing is, we've won our last 2 Premier League games with the same starting 11.

You have to think of player morale, it's not as simple as selecting 11 men. How would Westwood or Cork feel if, after helping the team to beat Bournemouth and Cardiff, they were dropped now Defour is back?

The right thing, imo, is to have Defour on the bench again and let him come on and claim his place in the starting 11 with a solid performance. SD will then have a good headache, as to which 2 of 3 to start against Manchester City. Although 4-5-1 is of course a possibility, but you get my drift.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:33 pm

There’s zero chance of any team changes this weekend, other than those caused by injury (so potentially Tarkowski). So unless Defour can put in a shift at centre half there’s no chance of him starting.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:36 pm

Long for Tarkowski - assuming he's not recovered. Otherwise unchanged.

Yesterday we were never comfortable enough to risk Defour playing his way back and unless we find ourselves a couple of goals ahead with 20 or so minutes remaining the same will probably be true on Saturday. Hopefully we'll find a bit more quality but could be another tight/attritional game.

Westwood made a game-changing contribution and was singled out for praise by SD definite starter.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:38 pm

There’s an argument for that but I see Defour as more of a starter than a sub. We may have won 2 games but we didn’t play well yesterday. Also, the boost of having your best player back can inspire the rest of the team...

I think we would have finished top 6 last season if Defour and Brady had stayed fit...

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:00 pm

Sean Dyche often talks up and often refers to the performance of the team. If Sean Dyche feels (privately of course) yesterdays performance was acceptable I for one would be very surprised. We need to take more care of the ball Westwood and Cork were very poor yesterday in that respect. As a performance I hope Sean is looking at more than who played ONE pass in a build up to a goal ,you could have an absolute stinker but manage that.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:05 pm

We only won 2 out of two because Cardiff are the only team in the world we could beat playing like we did.

There is no need to reward the players

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:16 pm

martin_p wrote:He certainly isn’t 90 minute fit.

Who said he was. That's the starting team.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:17 pm

martin_p wrote:He already has, he didn’t start yesterday.

He'll be fitter in a week.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:18 pm

martin_p wrote:There’s zero chance of any team changes this weekend, other than those caused by injury (so potentially Tarkowski). So unless Defour can put in a shift at centre half there’s no chance of him starting.

Of course there's a chance. Grade 1 Bell*nd.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:29 pm

Tough one, but I suspect it will be unchanged, unless Long is required to come in for Tarks (in which case, you can make an argument for starting Defour instead of Cork, who has been the lesser light in midfield for the last couple of weeks, on the basis that Long's distribution increases the case for Defour to come in and help distribute from deep).

Defour is a player you'd ideally want against Huddersfield, and he's not really ideally suited to coming on as sub and getting up to the pace of the game, but Westy deserves his place after being integral to at least 4 of the goals we've scored in the last week.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:31 pm

Agreed.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:31 pm

I'd drop Westwood for Defour in a shot.

Huddersfield will sit deep, we need the dynamism and range of passing that Defour gives us.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:41 pm

It will be unchanged, and I can see the reasons why, but I would like to see Defour and Hendrick instead of Westwood and Cork.
A bit more attacking flair going forward is needed, as we don't look capable of keeping clean sheets. Thank God for Hart.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:50 pm

The obvious guess is that it will be unchanged, barring Tarks being injured. And I think that's the right choice.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:09 pm

I'd love to see Defour start but it's going to be another attritional game so doubt he'll be risked

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:22 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'd drop Westwood for Defour in a shot.

Huddersfield will sit deep, we need the dynamism and range of passing that Defour gives us.

Completely agree with the logic of that Lancs, but I'm surprised you think it outweighs the impact of dropping arguably our most effective player (alongside JBG) in the last couple of games. Like I say, you can make an argument that it'd be more meritocratic to leave out Cork (which would be a massive call in other respects) and pair arguably our two best passers in midfield.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:23 pm

Surely we start with the same team that has won 2 on the trot, scored 6 (5 different goal scorers) conceded 1. However if it is nil nil after 60 minutes introduce any permutation from Defour, Barnes and Wood to get the goal and the win UTC. In an ideal Claret world Defour comes on provides the pass for the goal and then scores a free kick, thus ensuring he starts at Man City.......

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:34 pm

vinrogue wrote:Surely we start with the same team that has won 2 on the trot, scored 6 (5 different goal scorers) conceded 1. However if it is nil nil after 60 minutes introduce any permutation from Defour, Barnes and Wood to get the goal and the win UTC. In an ideal Claret world Defour comes on provides the pass for the goal and then scores a free kick, thus ensuring he starts at Man City.......

Spot on.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:36 pm

Would love to see Defour as he adds a lot no-one else can in the creativity department.

But SD will likely start with the same team.as in the last two league games.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:37 pm

vinrogue wrote:Surely we start with the same team that has won 2 on the trot, scored 6 (5 different goal scorers) conceded 1. However if it is nil nil after 60 minutes introduce any permutation from Defour, Barnes and Wood to get the goal and the win UTC. In an ideal Claret world Defour comes on provides the pass for the goal and then scores a free kick, thus ensuring he starts at Man City.......

A better game for him to play is where he can affect the outcome...not sure city away is one of those. Huddersfield at home which was a dour nil nil last season is another matter

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:39 pm

Same as Cardiff

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:52 pm

I was very impressed by Westwood v Bournemouth Spice (less impressed v Cardiff but he still did well) but Defour is a class above.

Course, if he can maintain the workrate and physicality he showed v Bournemouth then he deserves to stay in, but I think the range of passing that Defour gives us in a game that we are going to be dominating possession is a big plus.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'd drop Westwood for Defour in a shot.

Huddersfield will sit deep, we need the dynamism and range of passing that Defour gives us.

You may be right but it makes you wonder why on earth any team would want to sit deep against us at the moment.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:13 pm

If Uddersfield sit deep we'll give them an aerial bombardment they'll never forget!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:15 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:You may be right but it makes you wonder why on earth any team would want to sit deep against us at the moment.

Probably because we've got better players than them and when we are on our game, a far better team than them.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:21 pm

Hart
Lowton Long Tark (if fit) Ward
Joey westwood Defour Lenon
Vydra Barnes

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:13 pm

Defour is the kind of player we could do with to open up Huddersfield with incisive passing and through balls. He is better starting and being withdrawn after 60 mins than the other way round where he comes on as a sub and has less impact.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:56 pm

I would be tempted to put him in from the start provided he's fully Dyche-fit, but that's probably what you all expected from me

Would be a tad hard on Westwood, as I feel he's improved, but the extra little bit of class from Defour coupled with his greater compatibility and understanding with Cork slightly tips the balance in his favor.

Westwood could then come on with about 20 mins to go to consolidate things.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:52 pm

I'd be happy to wait for Defour to be fully fit before he starts a game.