Clapping Banned at University

[pureclaret]

Just to put it out if a person has Autism then loud clapping may cause them problems, but also fast hand movements may cause problems. We have a family member who is registered as having disability who has to deal with Autism. But when you look into it quite a few health specialists say all people have Autism it is just where you fall on the spectrum as to how it affects your day to day living.

[Lord Beamish]

Not angry at all, Wrongo. Just amused. Mainly at your evident belief that laughing emojis make up for your lack of actual wit.

[RingoMcCartney]

Not angry at all, Wrongo. Just amused. Mainly at your evident belief that laughing emojis make up for your lack of actual wit.

Then you won't mind a few more Mr Meldrew will You!?

Right, unlike you, I know when to stop milking a situation. You can only get so much out of someone else's self-inflicted Devon Lochery!

But I'll link some potential bed time reading for you.

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Sometimes a last minute equaliser almost feels like a victory.......

Be good.

[upanatem]

No Wrongo. You spelled it completely wrong. I spelled it in one of the two accepted ways. You were wrong and I was correct. No amount of wriggling and foot-stamping will change that in the eyes of those viewing this thread.

Hi Lord. You may wish to check the grammatical use of the word 'wrong' in your sentence 'You spelled it completely wrong.'

[Lord Beamish]

Hi Lord. You may wish to check the grammatical use of the word 'wrong' in your sentence 'You spelled it completely wrong.'

Oh no! Wrongo’s going to be all over this one like a Priest on an Altar Boy.

[Claret]

The "How to cheer or show appreciation" debate has not had any impact whatsoever at Ewood Park. What do you reckon the problem might be?

[Rowls]

I think this is brilliant - made me laugh out loud.

Students being students yes - but I think you'll find that even at University these pioneers of 'what next to ban' are in a small minority. It's nice that they are trying to consider marginalised or frightened people's feelings, if that's really what it's about (which I doubt).

But, either way, it's wrong to assume that all students are muddle headed tw*ts, the vast majority still like beer, sex, football and study hard enough to get by.

Take it for what it is - a funny story for most, infuriating for people who take it seriously.

"Small minority" - I think they're a bit larger than that. They're probably a large and vocal minority but one who have seized control of the NUS.

If they seize control of institutions then it has very important consequences for all of us.

Take a look at the Labour party and their problems with anti-semitism following its capture by a large vocal minority.

For a much larger scale example, take a look at how Russia was captured by the Communist party seizing its institutions. Or how its institutions have now come under Putin's control.

So yes it's silly and irrelevant if it's just in the NUS but if this kind of rubbish seeps into wider society then it will cause problems.

[dsr]

"Small minority" - I think they're a bit larger than that. They're probably a large and vocal minority but one who have seized control of the NUS.

If they seize control of institutions then it has very important consequences for all of us.

Take a look at the Labour party and their problems with anti-semitism following its capture by a large vocal minority.

For a much larger scale example, take a look at how Russia was captured by the Communist party seizing its institutions. Or how its institutions have now come under Putin's control.

So yes it's silly and irrelevant if it's just in the NUS but if this kind of rubbish seeps into wider society then it will cause problems.

They're a very small minority. The way it worked when I was at Uni, and I think it still does, is that the NUS has general meetings every week to decide all sorts of policy. About 40 people used to turn up when it was at Exeter, and they were the really earnest political types who have nothing better to do and who genuinely think that what they think represents what everyone thinks; and because the meetings are open to all students, they can vote through anything they want while everybody else is too bored to care, and claim they represent the whole student body.

Would anyone join a body with 30 committee meetings a year? It's like that. They have so many democratic meetings that democracy becomes a chore.

[Conroy92]

Who's worse, the man who gets wound up about the thread, the man who starts the argument about the man who gets wound up about the thread, or the posters complaining about coming on the thread after making the choice to come on the thread.

It's a funny old board.

[Imploding Turtle]

this is the kind of stuff that riles up the anti-PC crowd. Whereas the pro-PC crowd get riled up by things like people calling black people 'niggers', gay people 'homos' etc. Also things like murder, imprisonment, disenfranchisement all based on race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc.

I wish the pro-PC crowd only had this kind of inanity to whine about.

[JohnMac]

I can't take people seriously when they have to open their conversation with 'So'.

[burnleymik]

this is the kind of stuff that riles up the anti-PC crowd. Whereas the pro-PC crowd get riled up by things like people calling black people 'niggers', gay people 'homos' etc. Also things like murder, imprisonment, disenfranchisement all based on race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc.

Do you think that the anti-PC brigade think those slurs are acceptable?

Personally I think it's more about where we draw the lines. Calling someone an outright racial slur is unacceptable to almost every normal person, but accidentally misgendering someone or changing words like "manmade" or "manhole" because it could be deemed sexist or offensive etc, is just going too far.

[Imploding Turtle]

Do you think that the anti-PC brigade think those slurs are acceptable?

Personally I think it's more about where we draw the lines. Calling someone an outright racial slur is unacceptable to almost every normal person, but accidentally misgendering someone or changing words like "manmade" or "manhole" because it could be deemed sexist or offensive etc, is just going too far.

See what I mean? lol. "manmade" and "manhole". Yes, that's a really stupid application of political correctness but that's the kind of thing you guys say is "going too far". This is the problem with the anti-PC brigade, their concerns pale in comparison to the problems political correctness is trying to help fix.

[ClaretMoffitt]

this is the kind of stuff that riles up the anti-PC crowd. Whereas the pro-PC crowd get riled up by things like people calling black people 'niggers', gay people 'homos' etc. Also things like murder, imprisonment, disenfranchisement all based on race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc.

I wish the pro-PC crowd only had this kind of inanity to whine about.

Except nobody calls black people niggers anymore, literally cannot remember the last time I heard the word used in a sentence outside of rap music. Never hear anyone call gay people faggots anymore either, and just lol @ people getting locked up for being a minority; doesn't happen, not in this country.

The war is already won, the things you claim to fight against are already all but dead, that is why your new war is on things like the OP, and the new Nazis you fight are people like me.

[Lancasterclaret]

I might listen to your opinion more if you weren't in the FLA and back Tommy ******* Robinson to be perfectly honest.

[Imploding Turtle]

Except nobody calls black people niggers anymore, literally cannot remember the last time I heard the word used in a sentence outside of rap music. Never hear anyone call gay people faggots anymore either, and just lol @ people getting locked up for being a minority; doesn't happen, not in this country.

The war is already won, the things you claim to fight against are already all but dead, that is why your new war is on things like the OP, and the new Nazis you fight are people like me.

The war hasn't been won at all, not in any country. You hear it much less than you used to but it's still used, especially online. And the reason you don't hear it as much is because most of society made it unacceptable. But that doesn't mean if we stop making it taboo that it won't come back.

Not only that but the racists who used to use it until they started paying a social price are still just as racist (for the most part), they are just finding more creative ways to express their racism through dog whistle racism.

But even if the was war was won, that doesn't mean we'd let up on shaming anyone who expressed racism. Nor should we. I'd happily put up with renaming manholes if it also means making sure racists know their racism isn't welcome in society.

[califclaret]

Lots of students get the clap at University. Can be painful.

[TVC15]

Except nobody calls black people niggers anymore, literally cannot remember the last time I heard the word used in a sentence outside of rap music. Never hear anyone call gay people faggots anymore either, and just lol @ people getting locked up for being a minority; doesn't happen, not in this country.
.

Wrong - just because you have not heard this does not mean it does not happen...oh and btw you don't need the word "literally" in that sentence !
I still hear the "n" word and the "p" words plenty of times unfortunately - though I do agree that the "n" word is used far less.

Not going to comment on the other bit you said - I'm trying to be on my best behaviour on this board !

[ClaretMoffitt]

The war hasn't been won at all, not in any country. You hear it much less than you used to but it's still used, especially online. And the reason you don't hear it as much is because most of society made it unacceptable. But that doesn't mean if we stop making it taboo that it won't come back.

Not only that but the racists who used to use it until they started paying a social price are still just as racist (for the most part), they are just finding more creative ways to express their racism through dog whistle racism.

But even if the was war was won, that doesn't mean we'd let up on shaming anyone who expressed racism. Nor should we. I'd happily put up with renaming manholes if it also means making sure racists know their racism isn't welcome in society.

I think that it is mostly gone because most people have become accustom to living with people and their misconceptions and ignorance has changed along with society and it has little or nothing to do with fear of being shamed...

You and the wider lefts private war with anyone right of centre though is a sure fine way to bring back those old divides by pitting different groups against each other, I firmly believe that.

[Lancasterclaret]

You know me and burnleymik were going on about living in a our own little bubble?

So are you if you really believe that.

There is a bloke in the JHU toilets this season with a BNP flag badge worn proudly on his jacket. He's not going to be going "Oh well played Lukaku" is he?

[ClaretMoffitt]

Maybe I do live in a Bubble,

But I find it funny how it's only people who are on the left that see all these racists every week on the turf and I have not seen or heard any racism on there for the best part of 15 years. Who was it against Brighton on here who was the only person in the entire CFS to have heard monkey chants and shouts of "black ba*ta*d"? Upthebeehole and someone else?

And was it IT who said he heard racism every single time he has ever been on the turf?

[Bin Ont Turf]

Maybe I do live in a Bubble,

But I find it funny how it's only people who are on the left that see all these racists every week on the turf and I have not seen or heard any racism on there for the best part of 15 years. Who was it against Brighton on here who was the only person in the entire CFS to have heard monkey chants and shouts of "black ba*ta*d"? Upthebeehole and someone else?

If you look hard enough you will see it.

And if you don't see it you can make it up to suit wearing two left sandals.

[Lancasterclaret]

Its a hell of a lot better than when I first started going, and its very rare I hear anything home or away.

But it was only a couple of seasons ago, a bloke behind me was using a different word to describe Gray in such a way that left you in no doubt what he meant.

And don't for one reason think its gone away for good. Its just not as much in plain sight (and people are a lot more aware of it these days)

[ClaretAndJew]

I was in the JHL a few years ago when Dane Richards came on, it wasn't long before someone commented about the colour of his skin when he wasn't playing too well.

I've not heard nigger before on the Turf, but wog and coon a few times. Black ******* you will hear too when it's an opposition player.

But I'm a lefty liberal so I'm probably making it all up

[TVC15]

Maybe I do live in a Bubble,

But I find it funny how it's only people who are on the left that see all these racists every week on the turf and I have not seen or heard any racism on there for the best part of 15 years. Who was it against Brighton on here who was the only person in the entire CFS to have heard monkey chants and shouts of "black ba*ta*d"? Upthebeehole and someone else?

And was it IT who said he heard racism every single time he has ever been on the turf?

And I find it funny that it’s only people on the right who say that it’s only people on the left that “see all these racists every week” on the Turf !!

Is that really a serious comment you are making ?
Don’t think anyone is saying they hear it every week on the Turf are they ? And why are you restricting this to the Turf ?
I hear people using the “p” word on a regular basis in Burnley - most of the time I hear this word it’s not on the match and a lot of the time it’s by people (men, women and children) who genuinely think they are not being racist.

Not sure what circles you move in to have not heard these words for years - tbh I do not actually believe you.

There are members of the EDL who sit in the lower JM btw - a couple used to sit behind me...you think I would make that up because I vote labour ?!!!

[Rowls]

They're a very small minority. The way it worked when I was at Uni, and I think it still does, is that the NUS has general meetings every week to decide all sorts of policy. About 40 people used to turn up when it was at Exeter, and they were the really earnest political types who have nothing better to do and who genuinely think that what they think represents what everyone thinks; and because the meetings are open to all students, they can vote through anything they want while everybody else is too bored to care, and claim they represent the whole student body.

Would anyone join a body with 30 committee meetings a year? It's like that. They have so many democratic meetings that democracy becomes a chore.

They're not as small as some people would imagine and the fact remains that they exert undue influence over institutions and organisations.

Behold the Labour party for example. Once a party for the working classes in the whole country and now a North London metropolitan dinner party in love with Marxist economics, "Free Palestine" and the associated good old-fashioned anti-sentimitism. None of this is relevant to the average worker in the North of England.

[Imploding Turtle]

They're not as small as some people would imagine and the fact remains that they exert undue influence over institutions and organisations.

Behold the Labour party for example. Once a party for the working classes in the whole country and now a North London metropolitan dinner party in love with Marxist economics, "Free Palestine" and the associated good old-fashioned anti-sentimitism. None of this is relevant to the average worker in the North of England.

The right-wing smear machine will always work on people like you, Rowls. Won't it?

[Imploding Turtle]

I wonder why they shared these booklets at the Conservative party conference and not the Labour one? I mean, it's supposed to be Labout and the left who are anti-semites, right?
Or maybe they just know their target audience better than the fools who fall for the right-wing media projection.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7x3e ... conference" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[burnleymik]

See what I mean? lol. "manmade" and "manhole". Yes, that's a really stupid application of political correctness but that's the kind of thing you guys say is "going too far". This is the problem with the anti-PC brigade, their concerns pale in comparison to the problems political correctness is trying to help fix.

The thing is I don't think the kind of political correctness a lot of you claim to be fighting still exists to the extent some of you guys think it does and I think that is why it has spilled over into the silly things it has today. It also completely undermines the work already done. Society, as a whole, knows what is not acceptable, they don't need it shoving down their throat at every opportunity.

Jonothan Pie's rant on this sort of subject says a lot of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9_bI789Gog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

Not sure that is the case at all

What is clear is that every single PC thing that you can make a click bait headline (like this) goes viral, simply because people don't read past the headline.

[Chobulous]

The thing is I don't think the kind of political correctness a lot of you claim to be fighting still exists to the extent some of you guys think it does and I think that is why it has spilled over into the silly things it has today. It also completely undermines the work already done. Society, as a whole, knows what is not acceptable, they don't need it shoving down their throat at every opportunity.

Jonothan Pie's rant on this sort of subject says a lot of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9_bI789Gog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The problem with the whole PC gone mad / PC brigade thing is that when you get to the level of banning manholes as a term etc it trivialises the argument and diverts attention away from those battles that are worth fighting and winning. I am chartered health and safety manger and have been for nearly 20 years. In that time I have worked in a number of industries and seen some horrendous conditions as well as some tremendous improvements. People are still suffering life changing injuries or being killed at work even today, so why is that? Part of the reason is that health and safety has been allowed to get a bad image because of some of the things it has been used to ban. How often do you hear the term "health and safety gone mad"? It has been trivialised by things such as banning conkers etc and allowed journalists such as Richards Littlejohn and Madeley to use it to sell column inches. This has knock on effect in the areas where managing health and safety is vital. That is the result of trivialisation, it hinders rather than helps.

[Chip Harrison]

Are you really comparing Wrongo to a F Scott Fitzgerald, Earnest Hemingway, Albert Einstein et al?
If you feel you must to make a point, then knock yourself out.

Err......it is Ernest....

[RingoMcCartney]

Err......it is Ernest....

So he mis spelt "soelled"

He came out with "Maybe not get edifying for myself,"

The grammatically questionable "You spelled it completely wrong.'

And now, "Earnest" Hemingway!!!!!

And he has a pop at me for ballsing up self - aggrandizement !

There aren't going to be many panes left unscathed, in the Lord's, not so superior any more, glass house!

[Lord Beamish]

If you dig any further, you’ll be at the earth’s core, Wrongo.

[RingoMcCartney]

If you dig any further, you’ll be at the earth’s core, Wrongo.

Like the recently acquired brevity in your post! Reduces the risks of you inadvertently picking up yet another stone to lob in your glass house.

Like I said to you right at the very beginning of our exchange. When somebody is reduced to picking up on spelling, you know it's game over for them. You can't say you weren't warned.

Looking forward to your reply. Don't forget to get the fine toothed comb out before you press "submit". Saves on any further blushes and lowers the risk of that vein in your forehead sticking out any further than it already probably is!

[Chobulous]

The truth is you're both as bad as each other on this thread. You are like Rowls and Turtle used to be, you resemble a couple of pre-school siblings that can't walk past each other without giving a sly little nip or a scratch.

[Lord Beamish]

No blushes from me. I’m quite happy to leave my typos un-reworked. I have, as stated above, never claimed to be perfect.
My mistakes are a sign of my human frailty and I remain unabashed by them.
Your mangling of the term ‘Self Aggrandised’ however remains an utter joy to behold. The more you keep grasping onto the lifelines others keep throwing you(one of which is a grammatical error that I would love you to actually explain the nature of)the more you keep this utter brain-fart of yours at the top of the board.
You have also attempted the gambit that you are somehow making me angry. You can feel free to live under this delusion; you evidently live under so many of them, what’s one more going to do?

I have noticed the diminished nature of your use of laughing emojis, too. Why’s that, I wonder?

[Lord Beamish]

The truth is you're both as bad as each other on this thread. You are like Rowls and Turtle used to be, you resemble a couple of pre-school siblings that can't walk past each other without giving a sly little nip or a scratch.

The fact is though, Chubulous, is that I don’t actually care a jot what you think of me. You’re a stranger on an internet Messageboard, taking time out of his day to superciliously comment upon a petty quibble that shouldn’t concern him at all.
My opinion of your opinion is of me is of so little interest, if I was to spend any real time thinking about it, I would likely fall into a coma.

[Chip Harrison]

I haven't followed this thread but am I right to assume that some people have tried to portray this as the end of democracy?

You have followed the thread. You posted twice before this. Then when you received no reply you sulked for over 24 hours before joining the fray in your usual slightly superior way.

[Chobulous]

Always makes me smile when someone cares enough to take the time to tell you that they don't care. Enjoy your kip.

[Lord Beamish]

Always makes me smile when someone cares enough to take the time to tell you that they don't care. Enjoy your kip.

It amuses me that someone who’s trying to make out that they are way above getting involved in a petty internet squabble, gets involved in a petty internet squabble. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.

[Chobulous]

Cognitive dissonance is the one constant on this board

[RingoMcCartney]

No blushes from me. I’m quite happy to leave my typos un-reworked. I have, as stated above, never claimed to be perfect.
My mistakes are a sign of my human frailty and I remain unabashed by them.
Your mangling of the term ‘Self Aggrandised’ however remains an utter joy to behold. The more you keep grasping onto the lifelines others keep throwing you(one of which is a grammatical error that I would love you to actually explain the nature of)the more you keep this utter brain-fart of yours at the top of the board.
You have also attempted the gambit that you are somehow making me angry. You can feel free to live under this delusion; you evidently live under so many of them, what’s one more going to do?

I have noticed the diminished nature of your use of laughing emojis, too. Why’s that, I wonder?

And your not angry!

And YOU'RE allowed "mistakes are a sign of my human frailty" apparently.

However, other people aren't allowed the same mistakes that are " a sign of my human frailty" . Without you jumping on them are they! Gold plated hypocrisy.

You shouldve listened to me when I admitted I'd ballsed up. But you didn't take your minor victory with grace. Oh no. You came back again and again. Despite me sayimg please "refer to the above post" where id already said,

"But if it gives the usual gaggle a warm glow of self satisfaction then I admit my post contained a mis- spelling. Have the win gents."

No, you indulged in what you boasted as "Ringo baiting"

Well the "Ringo baiting" really came back and bit you well and trully in the arse didn't it!

And when you called me a "f***wit" perhaps you should have made sure that your subsequent posts weren't going to be littered with spelling and grammatical errors.

Because, let's be honest, when you've jumped down someone's throat for what you call "human frailty" and then you lace your self righteous pronouncements with some right howlers. You have to admit that you've single handedly raised the overall levels of "f***wittery" by some margin!!!

[Chobulous]

It is strangely compelling

[RingoMcCartney]

Lord Breamish, were you a jockey in a previous life?

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Look familier?

[Lord Beamish]

How deep now, Wrongo? I bet you cant see daylight now.

[Lord Beamish]

How deep now, Wrongo? I bet you cant see daylight now.

And I didnt pick up on your unusual spelling of ‘familar’, as it’s evidently a word you know but just cant spell. Unlike aggrandisement, which you can neither pronounce or spell.

[Lord Beamish]

It is strangely compelling

I bet you watch Coronation Street too, on the sly.

[RingoMcCartney]

How deep now, Wrongo? I bet you cant see daylight now.

No matter how deep I go, Your Lordship, I'll still be able to see someone suffering from a severe case of foot in mouthitus!

[Lord Beamish]

No matter how deep I go, Your Lordship, I'll still be able to see someone suffering from a severe case of foot in mouthitus!

Hark at the guy who only opens his mouth to change feet.