Huddersfield away points system

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:32 pm

I just popped over on to Huddersfield's site to see if they have sold out for Saturday (which they have) and come across a new points system for away games this season.
https://www.htafc.com/news/2018/june/20 ... ts-scheme/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Variety of points for different games. Looks like it rewards the away fans at first glance who travel rather than put money into their club.

What's everyone's thoughts?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:38 pm

They reward fans who have had a season ticket since 2009 a set number per season and give points for attending away games.

Struggling to see how you have worked out they don't reward season ticket holders.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:47 pm

I really dont think theres a fair way to do it.

Supporters dont all live in and around where a club is based. A local fan could own a season ticket and go to a couple of local away games. A fan from the other end of the country can go to the 6 london games and be only 1 point behind.

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:48 pm

Too complicated and will take forever to get to 7000 points.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:54 pm

The main thing I took from that was that we're a top tier away game for them.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:09 pm

Can imagine our game there on 1st Jan being in great demand.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:23 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:They reward fans who have had a season ticket since 2009 a set number per season and give points for attending away games.

Struggling to see how you have worked out they don't reward season ticket holders.

If I'm reading it right they award 25 points per ST purchased and 5 for away games down south.

You could go to 5 southern away games and get the same points as a ST.

We would have to go to Southampton 35 times to get the same points as a ST.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:48 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:If I'm reading it right they award 25 points per ST purchased and 5 for away games down south.

You could go to 5 southern away games and get the same points as a ST.

We would have to go to Southampton 35 times to get the same points as a ST.

That is fine picking an obscure game, but they only get 1 point for their popular away games, therefore they would have to go to Burnley 25 times to get the same as a season ticket gets you.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:07 pm

Won't be a problem getting tickets for any of our away games this year, apart from Huddersfield. Think the novelty of going to the big grounds is wearing off a little, and the realization that we are highly unlikely to ever top last seasons 7th place finish.

jjclaret · Post by **jjclaret** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:07 pm

If you like the Huddersfield system so much, feel free to support them.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:15 pm

aggi wrote:The main thing I took from that was that we're a top tier away game for them.

(Presumably based on geography?)

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:21 pm

jjclaret wrote:If you like the Huddersfield system so much, feel free to support them.

Thankyou for your permission, it's really appreciated.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:44 pm

Nowhere near a fair system.
As pointed out earlier up the thread a London based fan can earn as many points for just a handful of local as a season ticket holder.

No system can be the perfect solution but this seems far more unfair than our system.

Didnt read the full details but can you get a ticket for family and friends like ours,

Where our system falls down is that a lot of the higher points holders get tickets for those with very little points and a lot in the middle range,say 2,500 to 4,500 lose out many times,

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:55 pm

Season tickets are for home games. People making the effort to travel all over the country should be rewarded far more in the away game lottery.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:31 pm

It’s like some dumb viewpoint that season ticket holders don’t go away games.

Any business will look after loyal customers first maybe you should get a season ticket

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:46 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:It’s like some dumb viewpoint that season ticket holders don’t go away games.

Any business will look after loyal customers first maybe you should get a season ticket

I've got a ST thankyou.

and travel to away games.

Oh and just know what a fair system is.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:48 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Won't be a problem getting tickets for any of our away games this year, apart from Huddersfield. Think the novelty of going to the big grounds is wearing off a little, and the realization that we are highly unlikely to ever top last seasons 7th place finish.

think Tottenham Hotspurs will be in demand...if at 'New' White Hart Lane

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:20 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Any business will look after loyal customers first maybe you should get a season ticket

Hmmm not sure how true that is. A lot of businesses offer new customers the most attractive offers to get them in. Existing ‘loyal’ customers are often overlooked and taken for granted.

jjclaret · Post by **jjclaret** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:26 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I've got a ST thankyou.

and travel to away games.

Oh and just know what a fair system is.

"Oh and just know what a fair system is."

Can you please enlighten everyone to what a fair system is?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:42 pm

jjclaret wrote:"Oh and just know what a fair system is."

Can you please enlighten everyone to what a fair system is?

No

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:48 pm

claretblue wrote:think Tottenham Hotspurs will be in demand...if at 'New' White Hart Lane

Yeah that one will be popular if it's confirmed for the new ground. If we get 3 thousand tickets though I'd say it would get at least as far as season ticket holders. City has made it to general sale and still not sold out, United is a midweek game and pretty sure we only sold out at Anfield last season quite late. Still think Huddersfield and potentially Spurs will be the only games that will be a struggle this season.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:52 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Yeah that one will be popular if it's confirmed for the new ground. If we get 3 thousand tickets though I'd say it would get at least as far as season ticket holders. City has made it to general sale and still not sold out, United is a midweek game and pretty sure we only sold out at Anfield last season quite late. Still think Huddersfield and potentially Spurs will be the only games that will be a struggle this season.

We’ll probably ask for 800.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:53 pm

There will never be a fair system. As someone will always be ****** off or miss out and see it as unjust.

But, away fans should always get priority for away games. Its nothing to do with not financing the club. Its the fact that they travel to most of the away games. So should have priority. Whether they live away from the town, just prefer away games or whatever they should be prioritised in some way.

The fairest system to me though is what England do.

70% of tickets go to top pointers. 30% go to a random general sale ballot.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:57 pm

So QTT you no doubt have plenty of points going to both home and away games.
Its a very difficult quest to get the perfect system,
I know we didnt progress in the Europa League but i would have had no problem if tickets for the group stage away matches had been allocated 1st to those who had been to both Istanbull and Athens irrespective of how many points they had.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:53 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I've got a ST thankyou.

and travel to away games.

Oh and just know what a fair system is.

Yet not willing to explain despite you clearly knowing best ?

Do you think a Burnley fan who lives in London should get the same loyalty points for going to Spurs as someone who lives in Burnley ?

Should someone who doesn't go to home games get priority on 4 or 5 southern based games due to being willing to travel a few miles locally ?

How about stop all loyalty points while in the top division ? It is easy to be loyal in this division. Why when we are in the championship did every game make general sale including Blackburn away ? Man City this season you can walk in and get 4 per person.

The only 2 games likely to be in high demand are (despite some on here saying how much they hate them) will be Man Utd and Hudderfield. If a policy is working for over 90% of the season how exactly is it unfair ?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:15 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Yet not willing to explain despite you clearly knowing best ?

Do you think a Burnley fan who lives in London should get the same loyalty points for going to Spurs as someone who lives in Burnley ?

Should someone who doesn't go to home games get priority on 4 or 5 southern based games due to being willing to travel a few miles locally ?

How about stop all loyalty points while in the top division ? It is easy to be loyal in this division. Why when we are in the championship did every game make general sale including Blackburn away ? Man City this season you can walk in and get 4 per person.

The only 2 games likely to be in high demand are (despite some on here saying how much they hate them) will be Man Utd and Hudderfield. If a policy is working for over 90% of the season how exactly is it unfair ?

I didn't want to explain to a poster who was being arsey to me. I have no problem debating with people who want to listen to both sides.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:26 am

Ok, I'm not being arsey, but you need to explain how having an S/T should give you less rights than someone who happens to live a long way away (but closer to a lot of away games) from Burnley.

Since we don't play Carlisle anymore, I'm neither in Burnley or closer to a load of away games

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:53 am

The less fancied games should be rewarded with a few more loyalty points in my opinion.
Midweek games should get more points for instance.

Unfortunately where you live can't be taken into consideration in any system but the lads need you at Ipswich away on a Wednesday night with the other 500 more than they do at Old Trafford where tickets could sell 5 times over.

Recently we have given bonus points (50 insread of 10) to an away game at Everton that's a one hour drive away and Olympiacos at home despite only getting 10 for the away game. Our system is elitest and only rewards financial backing to the club not loyalty to the team.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:54 am

I have a season ticket and lately spend 10-11 hours in the car,on a return trip. I have always felt neglected as a loyal away supporter, driving many miles, when after a bit of success, I am excluded from those matches, when in the past, I have been one of the few wanting to go.

I am with Quicktempo.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:06 am

Right, and this is where I have the issue.

With all your amazing support over the years, how come you haven't got the 7000+ points I've got?

*its not meant to sound arsey btw, in this case, amazing means amazing!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:13 am

To answer Paul and Lancaster.

I never took the loyalty system serious when it first came out, I still don't to be fair. I go to watch Burnley not gain points in a willy waving contest but I don't think anybody dreamed it would come this much into play in premier league football.

But pay on the gate football didn't get rewarded then but at least I have all the match tickets cluttering my house up.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:15 am

I’ll be honest I buy my season ticket because it works out cheaper over a season to watch the home games.

I don’t buy it to be “rewarded” with more opportunities to watch the away games.
I’d be perfectly happy for those who make big efforts to regularly support the team away to receive bigger “rewards”.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:17 am

Right, but I'm not making the loyalty points thing as a "willy waving contest" though.

I've had an S/T since I left uni, and went through a six? seven? year period where I went to a lot of away games as well.

Certainly a lot of that was before the points system came in.

You should have as many points as me, or at least close to it.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:23 am

I have plenty of points.

It doesn’t mean I think the system is fair.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:28 am

I don't think any system would be fair to everyone though.

I think its a risk when you don't reward S/T holders.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:34 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Right, but I'm not making the loyalty points thing as a "willy waving contest" though.

I've had an S/T since I left uni, and went through a six? seven? year period where I went to a lot of away games as well.

Certainly a lot of that was before the points system came in.

You should have as many points as me, or at least close to it.

I had a ST for 10 years before the loyalty system come in then just paid on (home and away) while I played Cricket for 15 years.

When I went to renew my ST 3 years ago my other Clarets No. had got lost in the system so I had to start again with another.

I take my lads away now so I would have to wait until there level anyhow so it's no biggie to me. I just go in the home end at Old Trafford but the kids miss out.

It is a system that rewards ST holders far too much over away fans though. Huddersfield's looks spot on to me.

25 points for a ST to give them a little advantage and reward the obscure fixtures.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:34 am

Agree you’ll never please everyone. I just think it’s needs altering from its current set up.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:37 am

My kids have just over 2,000 and about 100.

I can't go to away games with them, unless its something like City away in the FA Cup (which we did)

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:38 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Agree you’ll never please everyone. I just think it’s needs altering from its current set up.

Yep, but if they have to keep this system just reward the last threes seasons as a continued cut off point.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:40 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:My kids have just over 2,000 and about 100.

I can't go to away games with them, unless its something like City away in the FA Cup (which we did)

Which is wrong isn't it.

They might want to go to every game possible but get punished for the year they were born.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:43 am

Yes, but that doesn't solve the problem does it?

It just makes it unfair on someone else.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:11 am

City away on a Saturday afternoon 3 o clock kick off has just made it to general sale. This myth that you need loads of points to get tickets for our away games is ridiculous.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:29 am

I'd say the main issue with our loyalty points is that a ticket bought ten years ago is worth the same as one bought one year ago. It doesn't reward recent attendance.

The club have acknowledged this by increasing the first loyalty point threshold from 5,000 to 6,000 which is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion.

I'm also not convinced that a season ticket game should be worth almost double a normal ticket purchase game but I can see the point of it (and the club should make more of it if it is an intentional decision to reward season ticket holders).

claret wizard · Post by **claret wizard** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:35 am

jrgbfc wrote:City away on a Saturday afternoon 3 o clock kick off has just made it to general sale. This myth that you need loads of points to get tickets for our away games is ridiculous.

This just about sums it up. Very close away game to the league champions makes it to general sale. I've 8000 points, bought it when they first went on sale, and last year missed out on Huddersfield.

As to a fair system, can you imagine the outcry pf people who've stuck with the rules of current system for the last 10+ years if we switch it so a few glory hunters can get tickets to United.

claret wizard · Post by **claret wizard** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:37 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:My kids have just over 2,000 and about 100.

I can't go to away games with them, unless its something like City away in the FA Cup (which we did)

Or City on Oct 20th, or virtually every other away game as they all go to General Sale.....

What you really couldn't go to last season was United, Arsenal, City (league) and Huddersfield.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:50 am

Based on the last 3 seasons favours the plastic glory hunters.
As has been said above it is only 2 or 3 fixtures a season where there is a problem getting tickets.
Man City last year being one of them ,but this year they have gone on general sale and I beieve still available,
It would be interesting to look at that thread from last year and see how many who complained about not getting a ticket are going this year.
The way we have defended away from home this year ( barring Southampton and yes I was there) thosr hoing to Citeh could witness a Premier League record score.
Thats not being negative,just realistic on what I have seen so far.And again yes I am going

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:51 am

Based on the last 3 seasons favours the plastic glory hunters.
As has been said above it is only 2 or 3 fixtures a season where there is a problem getting tickets.
Man City last year being one of them ,but this year they have gone on general sale and I beieve still available,
It would be interesting to look at that thread from last year and see how many who complained about not getting a ticket are going this year.
The way we have defended away from home this year ( barring Southampton and yes I was there) thosr hoing to Citeh could witness a Premier League record score.
Thats not being negative,just realistic on what I have seen so far.And again yes I am going