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Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:30 am

Hi guys, I've started a petition to get Burnley Football Club to introduce "gender-neutral" toilets to improve the match day experience.
It's undoubtedly a move forward for such a modern-thinking club as ours :)

Don't forget to sign and share...

Sign the Petition https://chn.ge/2OFsuRe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; via @change_es

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Murger » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:32 am

This is gonna be fun.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by paulatky » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:33 am

Bring back the old longside toilets,I say
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by piston broke » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:36 am

Remember lads that won’t be a bubble gum or fag machine in the corner.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Jeffbfc » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:40 am

Ballocks to that or not as the case may be.
;)

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:45 am

Outdated thinking already. Just 'identify' as one or the other and use whichever is free.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by theroyaldyche » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:47 am

Haha no chance

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:50 am

GN bogs and jazz hands. This is the future, folks.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:54 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Hi guys, I've started a petition to get Burnley Football Club to introduce "gender-neutral" toilets to improve the match day experience.
It's undoubtedly a move forward for such a modern-thinking club as ours :)

Don't forget to sign and share...

Sign the Petition https://chn.ge/2OFsuRe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; via @change_es

I really don't see them necessary, at an event where 80% of people are male surely if we need more disabled facilities that's the way to go rather than force women and those with disabilities to share with some of the filthy, drunk blokes that go on the turf.

I must admit I prefer a sit down wee at night, saves me having to wake the mrs up with the bathroom light..... Infact I'm all for it :lol:

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:55 am

ElectroClaret wrote:GN bogs and jazz hands. This is the future, folks.
just not at the same time - pi55 will go everywhere...
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Dyched » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:55 am

Im all for guys/girls sharing a toilet to help with the congestion at half time
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:58 am

Burnley1989 wrote: if we need more disabled facilities that's the way to go rather than force women and those with disabilities
do we actually have any disabled toilet facilities...??? as someone with a "hidden" disability I dont know if I have seen any disabled toilets in the stands. Tbh - I've never looked for them as I use the regular gents loo.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by claptrappers_union » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:58 am

I don’t see why this is an issue. Is walking in to the wrong toilets against the law?

If I was a carer looking after a disabled / vulnerable female, I can’t see who would be offended if I took her into a gents? Or even the ladies, I suppose

If lady came into the gents helping her elderly father or whoever. Would men really have an issue? It’s not as if men are in there swinging their cocks around... I don’t know if women are swinging their tits about, I don’t venture in.

It’s just about privacy and people having a legitimate reason to be there and it annoys me a bit that this petition is even ‘a thing’

I’ll sign it though.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by theroyaldyche » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:00 am

80% of atendees are men ******* up a wall .

Itl never happen

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by piston broke » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:06 am

Burnley1989 wrote:I must admit I prefer a sit down wee at night,
Essential if you pee like you’ve got a watering can rose on the end of your tadger.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Dyched » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:07 am

claptrappers_union wrote:It’s not as if men are in there swinging their cocks around... I don’t know if women are swinging their tits about, I don’t venture in.
:lol: Woman **** out of tits? Amazing
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:08 am

claptrappers_union wrote:I don’t see why this is an issue. Is walking in to the wrong toilets against the law?

If I was a carer looking after a disabled / vulnerable female, I can’t see who would be offended if I took her into a gents? Or even the ladies, I suppose

If lady came into the gents helping her elderly father or whoever. Would men really have an issue? It’s not as if men are in there swinging their cocks around... I don’t know if women are swinging their tits about, I don’t venture in.

It’s just about privacy and people having a legitimate reason to be there and it annoys me a bit that this petition is even ‘a thing’

I’ll sign it though.
I've taken my daughter in to the girls toilets before if mums not with us, I'm not keen on taking her the blokes because for some reason some men seem to sh!t through a hole half way down their back.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:09 am

I'm not sure why anyone would need to start a petition unless the club have blatantly refused to look at anything. Surely the best start is to contact the SLO at the club and try and progress things that way. It might be worth telling us what communication you have had with the club on this.

Has this all come about because of another club revealing such news yesterday?



On the subject of disabled toilets, our disabled facilities will be improving significantly over the next few months. There have been unprecedented delays with the two corner areas but work is now progressing in that we can actually see something happening. The steel work is already going up in the corner between the two newer stands. These areas will have the necessary and required disabled toilet facilities.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:09 am

piston broke wrote:Essential if you pee like you’ve got a watering can rose on the end of your tadger.
Saves me getting the usual rollocking I get on a Sunday morning ''you've p!ssed all over the floor again'' :lol:
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Murger » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:29 am

Call me old fashioned, but if you have a knob you use the gents. If you don't, use the ladies.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:31 am

mmmm sit - down urinals?

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by box_of_frogs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:25 am

Murger wrote:Call me old fashioned, but if you have a knob you use the gents. If you don't, use the ladies.
That was so last century.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by brexit » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:31 am

Not really happy with this. The toilets are the only indication of gender of most of fans in the BL.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Chobulous » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:35 am

I'm not queuing up for a p1ss for anybody.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:35 am

I detailed the reasons on the petition but I mainly think it would help portray Burnley itself in a better light, a more liberal, progressive and LGBT friendly town.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by TVC15 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:43 am

claptrappers_union wrote:.. I don’t know if women are swinging their tits about
I know you made some good and serious points in your post but I am struggling to get beyond the picture in my head this conjures - very funny !

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:45 am

What's the issue with gender-neutral toilets? Plenty of restaurants, bars, cinemas etc. have them.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by brexit » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:45 am

http://lancslgbt.org.uk/2017/01/31/burnley-lgbt-plays/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by RocketLawnChair » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:59 am

Full steam ahead I say. Then we can batter Darren Bentley on Twitter when the Hand Dryer doesn't work in there.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:03 pm

By half time I wouldn't really care if it is a man or woman stood next to me pi**ing.

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Post by edenclaret » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:10 pm

T-rex: Do they have gender neutral loos in Barcelona?
(touring in spain/Portugal ,post 8)
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by bfcjg » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:38 pm

The bee-hole end bogs were certainly hygiene neutral.
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Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:41 pm

edenclaret wrote:T-rex: Do they have gender neutral loos in Barcelona?
(touring in spain/Portugal ,post 8)
Pretty much, if I need to go and there's a bog free I rarely look at the sign and in many places I just use the disabled if there isn't a cubicle free.

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Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:43 pm

8 signatures so far guys n' gals, keep 'em coming :)

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Spike » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:48 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Hi guys, I've started a petition to get Burnley Football Club to introduce "gender-neutral" toilets to improve the match day experience.
It's undoubtedly a move forward for such a modern-thinking club as ours :)

Don't forget to sign and share...

Sign the Petition https://chn.ge/2OFsuRe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; via @change_es
Would be a complete waste of money.Not needed

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by DocFoster » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:56 pm

I'm sure the Ladies and all the other sit downers will really appreciate having the seats ****** all over by the knuckle draggers. Probably best to think about the makeup of your average football crowd and think seriously about the people you think your trying to help.

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Post by philh2004 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:19 pm

Some hot water in the toilets would be nice first.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by houseboy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:20 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:I detailed the reasons on the petition but I mainly think it would help portray Burnley itself in a better light, a more liberal, progressive and LGBT friendly town.
Rubbish - you just want to perv at woman going to pee.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by houseboy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:29 pm

DocFoster wrote:I'm sure the Ladies and all the other sit downers will really appreciate having the seats ****** all over by the knuckle draggers. Probably best to think about the makeup of your average football crowd and think seriously about the people you think your trying to help.
And maybe we could arrange for some nice flowers to be placed around the toilets to make them look lovely? We could have tampax machines and those things they call sanitory disposal units. Lovely. Just what the Turf needs. We could prevent really drunk men from using them so they don't offend anyone, thereby stopping the people who probably need them most from going in. People would then wonder, during the game, why their backs are getting wet when it's not raining.
Tell me, does anyone else think that maybe this hasn't quite been thought through.
I never thought I'd see the day when a football club based in Burnley would be the centre of all things PC. :roll:

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Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:37 pm

The 2 "likes" for post #2 rather give the game away. Yet more attention seeking from the usual suspect.

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Post by Dyched » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:41 pm

Why not replace all seats with toilet seats? We can then take a **** whilst playing ****.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Sausage » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:43 pm

Can o' worms, this topic, and clearly a first world problem.

My intellectual* contribution is this: Going for a dump or a slash has nothing to do with your sexuality, so the LGBT issue is a massive red herring, unless you're gagging for some lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender sex while you curl one out. It just so happens that our societal norm is to separate our bodily ablutions according to gender (not sexuality) because it has been convenient to do so. You could argue that with sensible and sensitive architectural design, there's no longer a need for separate men's and women's toilets anyway. I've been to plenty of public buildings where that's been the case.

But the wider point is this; if you identify as gender neutral or gender fluid, you have the option of using a cubicle in either the men's or women's toilets. So you get complete privacy anyway. I don't understand the need to have a third set of bogs. If BFC introduce gender neutral/fluid toilets then I think there's going to be a 15 minute window at half time where, instead of queuing for the Gents, I decide to identify as gender neutral and go for a whizz in peace and tranquility. And woe betide anyone who questions my right to do so.

Also, what symbol would you place on the door? The universal symbols of male (no skirt) and female (with skirt) clearly represent gender stereotypes. Should the male symbol be updated to include a big chopper between his legs, so that it differentiates between the alpha male and woman wearing trousers? And what about Scotsmen in kilts? Christ, no wonder the Jocks are having an existential crisis.



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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:58 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:I detailed the reasons on the petition but I mainly think it would help portray Burnley itself in a better light, a more liberal, progressive and LGBT friendly town.
The problem would be though if you opened up all toilets as gender neutral that women would struggle even more. Men would use their facilities to puff on a fag/ ecig in their cubicles instead of habing to queue i the gents.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Blackrod » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:17 pm

It would be better to use the term 'unisex' and you can certainly see the need for them in the disabled area which I'm sure has been considered. The other use I suppose could be baby changing areas or loos in the family stand. The problem is the sandal wearers will use this as an excuse to start finger pointing so that people who don't identify as having a gender ( if possible ) are catered for. It also looks like a 'look at me' campaign. The old Beehole End loos to this is one extreme to the other.

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Sutton-Claret » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:22 pm

I think its a great idea - if there's a queue at the gents, then I'm Gender Neutral..... :D
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Post by burnleymik » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:24 pm

I feel sorry for women having to use the same toilets as a load of blokes, who just p*** everywhere. Takes enough time queuing for a urinal, would take an age for everyone top queue up for cubicles!

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Guich » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:36 pm

Unisex toilets are more common abroad, and they work fine. Fairer to the girls too as they don't have to queue so long.

But at the Turf I doubt they'd work, as there is much high pressure peeing to be done at half time, and while ladies bogs (in my experience) are generally lovely it wouldn't be nice for our WAGs to have to join the rest of us where we pee.

If it's a LBGT thing then can't the LBGTs go where they feel most comfortable? And if there was a gender neutral bog could we all go in?

Is there one at Brighton?

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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:48 pm

Won't happen, they can't maintain the gents to a decent standard half the time.

Plus the fanbase isn't ready yet judging from comments at the game and on here.
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Re: Gender-neutral toilets at BFC

Post by Guich » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:50 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Won't happen, they can't maintain the gents to a decent standard half the time.

Plus the fanbase isn't ready yet judging from comments at the game and on here.
It's not really something you'd have to get ready for. I can't imagine anyone really being bothered if a Unisex bog sprang up.
I just can't see it.

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