Fracking

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:54 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 70311.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thoughts? Are people opposed to it or favour it.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:57 pm

It destroys the natural drainage of the underlying rock structure. That can't be a good thing, can it?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:02 pm

It's been going on in North Dakota for a number of years now, but they don't get the rain that Lancashire gets. If you destroy the drainage, then there's an increased risk of floods. Americans don't care. They just want the oil money.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:02 pm

There's money to be made and that's all that matters, sadly.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:04 pm

Check out Williston, North Dakota on YouTube. I think city by-laws say that you MUST own a pick-up truck.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:18 pm

Would I want a fracking site in the field opposite my house. Nope.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:23 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Would I want a fracking site in the field opposite my house. Nope.

Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:28 pm

We live on a windy, rainy island surrounded by tidal oceans.

Lets dig in the ground for our energy needs.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:29 pm

Another short-term quick fix for the 'Now' people in our relentless efforts to bugger up planet.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:33 pm

Leisure wrote:Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

So fracking gas is the only alternative? That's basically your argument, and it's a poor one.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:39 pm

The wind and the tidal surge can also be used for energy. Just look out your windows to the east in Burnley and you can see that. Also, no pollution.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:45 pm

Aye but that's Labour policy and therefore completely bonkers according to those in the know on here....

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:06 pm

The whole thing stinks. It's the people in the North who are going to have to put up with all the mess/safety risks etc to make more money for the already rich company executives and fat cats in London. Does anyone honestly believe it will bring prices down?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:16 pm

Oil Knockin on €100 a barrel, bring on the fracking.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:16 pm

Leisure wrote:Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

It would be good not to have to rely on Arab and Russian oil and gas and be self sufficient.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:19 pm

jrgbfc wrote:The whole thing stinks. It's the people in the North who are going to have to put up with all the mess/safety risks etc to make more money for the already rich company executives and fat cats in London. Does anyone honestly believe it will bring prices down?

I don't know about the prices but at least we won't have to rely on imports from the Middle East and god forbid Russia. Technology has moved on. It won't be like Coalville where homes developed cracks. Poor building will take care of that

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:20 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:So fracking gas is the only alternative? That's basically your argument, and it's a poor one.

Where did I say that it was the only alternative? But it certainly is one alternative!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:27 pm

Frack the **** out of the entire earth and destroy us all.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:50 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Frack the **** out of the entire earth and destroy us all.

Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:57 pm

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

What other options did the put by the wayside in favour of coal?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:59 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:What other options did the put by the wayside in favour of coal?

No idea. Why you asking?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:03 pm

Curious. How big they were on the effects of burning coal hundreds of years ago I’m not sure like.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:39 pm

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

Ignorant prick.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:40 pm

Get on public transit and cut down on your use of fossil fuels. It's the only long-term solution.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:42 pm

Oh. I know the counter-argument to that. You might have to share a seat with KRBFC. OK. Go back to your mindless normal arguments.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:44 pm

Some good valid points raised. Wasn't totally sure how people felt about fracking hence the OP, I can understand both sides of the argument with, not so nice if in the area but also the need for domestic renewable energy, think it will be commonplace eventually if you bung enough sweeteners.

dr dre · Post by **dr dre** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:02 pm

why as council tax payers are we paying for policing with a fraction of it coming from central govt when cuadrilla should make massive profits if the hype is to be believed. surely as a county we should be providing a minimum of policing and they should be getting in their own security just like football clubs have to do whether profitable or not.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:07 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: not so nice if in the area but also the need for domestic renewable energy

Mate, it isn't renewable. You get seven or eight years from the well and that's it. Weigh that up against the cost of potential decades of contamination and ecological disruption. Christ knows customers aren't going to see the cost benefits.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:09 pm

Wha????

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:14 pm

Spiral wrote:Mate, it isn't renewable. You get seven or eight years from the well and that's it.

I know that, but it's 7-8 years then obviously move onto another spot I'm not expecting drilling 1 spot then happy days, it's very contentious subject & nobody will agree entirely. I wouldn't like them to pitch up & start extracting near me to be honest.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:16 pm

Look at the effect digging for coal has had......on our two corner stands progress

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:18 pm

https://www.vox.com/cards/fracking/what-is-fracking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If anybody unsure.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:19 pm

I'm not sure what the answer is, but all of the people who hate Maggie Thatcher for closing down coal mines, who also bleat about global warming, should be laughed at at every oppertunity. The stupid idiots.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:22 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:I know that, but it's 7-8 years then obviously move onto another spot I'm not expecting drilling 1 spot then happy days, it's very contentious subject & nobody will agree entirely. I wouldn't like them to pitch up & start extracting near me to be honest.

But it isn't renewable, you do know that, right?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:23 pm

Damo wrote:I'm not sure what the answer is, but all of the people who hate Maggie Thatcher for closing down coal mines, who also bleat about global warming, should be laughed at at every oppertunity. The stupid idiots.

You deny the climate is changing? (Becoming warmer, globally?)

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:23 pm

Spiral wrote:But it isn't renewable, you do know that, right?

It's renewable in the context on saving on something else.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:24 pm

Spiral wrote:But it isn't renewable, you do know that, right?

Obviously everything has a expiry date.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 pm

Too much money has been spent by the fracking firms for it not to go ahead.
They have permission to dig in Padiham and Burnley as well somebody said last year.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 pm

Spiral wrote:You deny the climate is changing? (Becoming warmer, globally?)

Where did I say that?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:28 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:It's renewable in the context on saving on something else.

I'm not taking the pi$$ here, Jakub, but 'renewable energy' specifically refers to energy sources that aren't depleted when used such as wind or tidal or hydroelectric. There's absolutely no context in which shale gas and oil can be considered 'renewable'. I'm not trying to be a smart arse or owt, I think someone has fed you a tonne of bull$hit.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:30 pm

Damo wrote:Where did I say that?

Some people don't seem to be knowledgeable about the subject that's why I provided the earlier link.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:31 pm

Spiral wrote:I'm not taking the pi$$ here, Jakub, but 'renewable energy' specifically refers to energy sources that aren't depleted when used such as wind or tidal or hydroelectric. There's absolutely no context in which shale gas and oil can be considered 'renewable'. I'm not trying to be a smart are or owt, I think someone has fed you a tonne of bull$hit.

Do you therefore agree that Thatcher closing down the coal mines was a good thing?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:32 pm

Damo wrote:Where did I say that?

You inferred it;

Damo wrote:but all of the people...who also bleat about global warming, should be laughed at at every oppertunity. The stupid idiots.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:34 pm

Spiral wrote:You inferred it;

I didnt.
I just called people like you hypocritical

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:38 pm

Spiral wrote:You inferred it;

It seems you have completely missed his point

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:38 pm

Spiral wrote:I'm not taking the pi$$ here, Jakub, but 'renewable energy' specifically refers to energy sources that aren't depleted when used such as wind or tidal or hydroelectric. There's absolutely no context in which shale gas and oil can be considered 'renewable'. I'm not trying to be a smart are or owt, I think someone has fed you a tonne of bull$hit.

Within the context mate I'm more than informed without any baffling science, shale & gas aren't renewable but if you save yourself a fortune within that context & designate that saving towards another energy source that's a renewable energy whether attributed towards shale, gas, or tidal, windpowered. Specifying 1 element & transferring it towards another element to say different is wrong.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:38 pm

Leisure wrote:Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

I'd rather we run out of natural gas than run out of habitable planets.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:39 pm

Not that I think running out of natural gas is even remotely a problem. We have far more accessible energy that is far cleaner than we can use as a replacement.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:42 pm

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

Coal mining began in it's earliest form about over 5,000 years ago. We only discovered that burning fossil fuels causes climate change in the late 1800s

One I've done the calculations i'll get back to you on whether you're correct or not.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:43 pm

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

OK. So i've done the maths and it would appear that you are wrong.