It's not just our fans who moan!

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It's not just our fans who moan!

Post by Spijed » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:13 pm

Seems like Southampton supporters are just as unhappy with their lot at the moment.

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread. ... 70nVntKjIU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Probably the same goes for everyone below.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:09 am

There are quite a few different groups of fans having a proper whinge at the moment, that saints one is a good read though.

A few comments there about wanting to be in the championship where they can win games instead of aiming for 17th in the PL each season.

They don't appear to have major whoppers on there like we do on here.
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Post by Dyched » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:38 am

I think generally theres a lack of “entertainment” on display at most PL clubs.

Ive not a problem with the results were getting. Its the football. Swap our 1-0s, 2-1s for 4-3s, 3-2s and Id be delighted.

Take Man U on saturday. If that was a dismal 1-0 win the fans wouldnt have been happy. 2-0 down at half time, 1 goal pulled back and the place is bouncing. Resulted in a great 3-2 come back and the dark cloud was lifted.

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Post by tim_noone » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:41 am

The PL Bubble will burst sooner or later...I prefer the football league stuff on quest tbh it's a bit more unpredictable.

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Post by Dyched » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:43 am

tim_noone wrote:The PL Bubble will burst sooner or later...I prefer the football league stuff on quest tbh it's a bit more unpredictable.
10 games to go and you dont know if you’re in a relegation battle or need the promotion party organising :lol:

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Post by tim_noone » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:48 am

Dyched wrote:10 games to go and you dont know if you’re in a relegation battle or need the promotion party organising :lol:
Exactly....man utd Arsenal Chelsea spurs all pretty predictable results tbf along with city and Liverpool drawing.now if I'd have bet on that....... :cry:

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Post by Damo » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:49 am

One or two of them are talking about a boycott.
I don't think some of our half wits have discussed that yet to be fair
Probably on a par with wanting Dyche out though if we are honest

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Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:36 am

PL is crap if i'm being honest, 6 teams trying to squeeze into 4 places and 16 teams trying to avoid relegation. Take away the money and it's the most uninteresting league in the world
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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:15 am

Dyched wrote:I think generally theres a lack of “entertainment” on display at most PL clubs.

Ive not a problem with the results were getting. Its the football. Swap our 1-0s, 2-1s for 4-3s, 3-2s and Id be delighted.

Take Man U on saturday. If that was a dismal 1-0 win the fans wouldnt have been happy. 2-0 down at half time, 1 goal pulled back and the place is bouncing. Resulted in a great 3-2 come back and the dark cloud was lifted.
How many clubs win 4-3 or 3-2 on a regular basis coming from behind?

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Post by bumba » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:50 am

The premier league product is dying in the UK, fans of clubs in the teams out of the top 6 are losing interest because there clubs are only bothered about the money there businesses are making and not the entertainment on offer or what fans think because the money is more valuable. Empty stadiums wouldn't even hit them that hard due to the TV revenue home and abroad.
The cheating players and managers, poor refereeing, influx of average foreign players has all come together to make it not enjoyable to the majoity of British people

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Re: It's not just our fans who moan!

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:09 am

The Premier League is turning into Italian Serie A in the 90's

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Post by NL Claret » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:18 am

Only managed to read 5 posts. I'm not sure what clubs outside the top 6 are expecting tbh. The gap is widening each year and all the best of the rest is to hope for is to stay up or finish in 7th and get the booby prize.

Does it come to the point when the big 6 join an elite European League?

The PL certainly isn't all it's hyped up to be.

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Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:37 am

Whilst clubs like Man U. and Liverpool have millions of fans in Asia and other parts of the world the Premier league will still receive huge amounts revenue through TV rights.

I still think the PL is far more competitive than La Liga for example. Apart from Barca, Athletico and Real Madrid who else can challenge their league, likewise in Germany apart from the top two.

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Post by Hipper » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:41 am

The only way to judge if it is really dying are television viewing figures.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/prem ... tings-rise" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These seem to depend not on poor football but on the performances of the big clubs, and big clubs being in the league.

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Post by CnBtruntru » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:47 am

Vegas Claret wrote:PL is crap if i'm being honest, 6 teams trying to squeeze into 4 places and 16 teams trying to avoid relegation. Take away the money and it's the most uninteresting league in the world
I thought there was only 20 teams in the Premier League ;)

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Post by AlargeClaret » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:00 am

Dyched wrote:I think generally theres a lack of “entertainment” on display at most PL clubs.

Ive not a problem with the results were getting. Its the football. Swap our 1-0s, 2-1s for 4-3s, 3-2s and Id be delighted.

Take Man U on saturday. If that was a dismal 1-0 win the fans wouldnt have been happy. 2-0 down at half time, 1 goal pulled back and the place is bouncing. Resulted in a great 3-2 come back and the dark cloud was lifted.
Using manutd as a like for like example with Burnley is akin to a greasy spoon competing with a Michelin starred eatery . We simply don’t have the quality to play that kind of football , give Dyche Rashford , Pogba and the other one with the huge c0ck and we’d entertain alright.

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Post by Stayingup » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:15 am

NL Claret wrote:Only managed to read 5 posts. I'm not sure what clubs outside the top 6 are expecting tbh. The gap is widening each year and all the best of the rest is to hope for is to stay up or finish in 7th and get the booby prize.

Does it come to the point when the big 6 join an elite European League?

The PL certainly isn't all it's hyped up to be.
That is a the best solution. They should join a league with weekly fixtures along with the other European Arab or Russian backed Zillionaires. Money wouldnt be the same but it would level it and be more entetaining than now.

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Post by AlargeClaret » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:26 am

The unofficial European super league has nicely penned out with most seasons most clubs in the big leagues all obliging . The prem ( aside from the big 6) has become the new championship , even 7th will be lucky to get a Europa spot most years

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Post by TVC15 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:57 am

AlargeClaret wrote:give Dyche Rashford , Pogba and the other one with the huge c0ck and we’d entertain alright.
WTF ?
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Post by Goobs » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:08 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Using manutd as a like for like example with Burnley is akin to a greasy spoon competing with a Michelin starred eatery . We simply don’t have the quality to play that kind of football , give Dyche Rashford , Pogba and the other one with the huge c0ck and we’d entertain alright.
We have different tastes in porn I think :lol:

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:11 pm

TVC15 wrote:WTF ?
Lukaku.

They banned the song about him having a big dong.

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Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:36 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:How many clubs win 4-3 or 3-2 on a regular basis coming from behind?
Come on,SHP, surely you can remember that fabulous recovery from 1-3 down v Preston with Brian Laws in charge. Didn't see the game myself as I was in London that weekend. Every time I hear about it,though, it just gets better and better. A thriller for the while 90mins.

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Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:13 pm

How dare fans say that the PL is not as good/entertaining/ competitive etc., etc?

Football is soooooo much better now than it has ever been ---so lots of fans tell me when I talk about the football played in the 50s. 60s and 70s in a game when players could tackle and were allowed to do so and we definitely had more goals scored than these days.

The PL was the best thing to happen to English football and, the way things are going, the Championship will be going the same way with more rich owners taking over clubs.

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Post by Dy1geo » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:21 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Come on,SHP, surely you can remember that fabulous recovery from 1-3 down v Preston with Brian Laws in charge. Didn't see the game myself as I was in London that weekend. Every time I hear about it,though, it just gets better and better. A thriller for the while 90mins.

Or the Gifton Noel Williams inspired comeback v Barnsley

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Post by Lordlucan » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:55 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:PL is crap if i'm being honest, 6 teams trying to squeeze into 4 places and 16 teams trying to avoid relegation. Take away the money and it's the most uninteresting league in the world

Each to their own. We may be having a difficult start to the season, but to slam our club and then go on and slam the whole of the Premier League is bonkers. I really, really don't like Arsenal, but was in front of the TV applauding that Ramsey goal at the weekend. I could go on... Frankly, seeing the skill levels of some of the players that come to the Turf now is pretty amazing. I contrast that with watching Steve Taylor up front when I was in my 20s, seriously wondering if he possessed any more talent than I did. I'm going to enjoy the ride. It won't be for many years, given the imbalance in resources, so relax.
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Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:57 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Take away the money and it's the most uninteresting league in the world
Take out the top clubs in any other European league and it's exactly the same.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:39 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:I thought there was only 20 teams in the Premier League ;)
yeah, 6 into 4 leaves the remaining 16 = 20 !

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Post by SGr » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:13 pm

Good thread on their board. Seems more of their fans don’t try and justify current issues by mentioning something that shouldn’t have happened in the first place (I am of course referring to 1987).

No “happy to just be here” nonsense.

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Post by TVC15 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Lukaku.

They banned the song about him having a big dong.
Yes I know...I wonder why ?!!

Does not make it ok to post a reference to that on this board...or anywhere else.

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Post by jrgbfc » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:21 pm

To be honest I could tolerate staying in the Prem being our main aim if we set our stall out to have a real go in the cups.
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Post by Dyched » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:46 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Using manutd as a like for like example with Burnley is akin to a greasy spoon competing with a Michelin starred eatery . We simply don’t have the quality to play that kind of football , give Dyche Rashford , Pogba and the other one with the huge c0ck and we’d entertain alright.
My point isnt to play like Utd. I used that game as an example. Take all our boring 1-0 wins over the past 5 years and swap them for 3-2 wins with loads of chances at both ends. OT was bouncing in the second half. Had they perform under par for a 1-0 win it would be a different story. Yet pounts wise theyd be no difference.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:12 pm

It always makes me laugh when our fans think that we have more moaners than other clubs.

All football clubs have fickle fans and all clubs have moaners. Read any forum and you will find them for sure.

I’ll bet that City even have fans that don’t like Guardiola, or his subs and Liverpool will have fans suggesting Klopp needs a specialist defence coach and suggesting stuff like get Carragher in and other nonsense.

It’s just football and it’s all part of the ride! Try and enjoy it!

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Post by CnBtruntru » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:27 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:yeah, 6 into 4 leaves the remaining 16 = 20 !
You weren't very good at maths at school, I know that 6 fighting for 4 spots leaves 14 fighting for 3 relegation places ;)

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