Jamal Khashoogi

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:54 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Tortured, fingers cut off before being beheaded and cut into pieces according to reports.

And yet, for the simple reason of money, groups like Islamic state will be seen as far worse than the rulers of Saudi Arabia, when they clearly aren't!

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:51 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Tortured, fingers cut off before being beheaded and cut into pieces according to reports.

It looks likely that the Turks had the consulate bugged, if they claim to have video and audio evidence - assuming what you say above has come from a Turkish source.

Hilarious that Trump has now rowed back on his previous tough talk, and suggested that 'rogue elements' might have killed Khashoogi. Trump has personal investments in Saudi Arabia. One of Trump's major selling points when he jockeyed to become the Republican candidate was that he was so rich he was beyond corruption. Our country too should be taking a stronger line with the Saudis. Having a demonstrably unethical foreign policy (like selling the Saudi's arms when they're creating a massive famine in the Yemen) takes the floor out of any kind of gravitas we want to have on the world stage. Whatever we earn selling them weapons isn't worth the reduced global profile as a 'good' country.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:21 pm

Stayingup wrote:As he is allied to and backed by the two rogue and pernicious states of Russia and Iran I would think.it a bad thing.

But isn't Saudi Arabia just as bad?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:28 pm

culturally totally alien, and I for one do not want to have to get to grips with this barbaric insanity. Its religion and money clashing, and cap doffing europeans skulking in the wings.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:35 am

AndrewJB wrote:It looks likely that the Turks had the consulate bugged, if they claim to have video and audio evidence - assuming what you say above has come from a Turkish source.

Hilarious that Trump has now rowed back on his previous tough talk, and suggested that 'rogue elements' might have killed Khashoogi. Trump has personal investments in Saudi Arabia. One of Trump's major selling points when he jockeyed to become the Republican candidate was that he was so rich he was beyond corruption. Our country too should be taking a stronger line with the Saudis. Having a demonstrably unethical foreign policy (like selling the Saudi's arms when they're creating a massive famine in the Yemen) takes the floor out of any kind of gravitas we want to have on the world stage. Whatever we earn selling them weapons isn't worth the reduced global profile as a 'good' country.

Trump hasn't talked tough yet, and he won't. He's been protecting them and running their PR in the west. This is why he was never going to be a good president, he has business interests in these countries and those are his only interest in this affair.
Jimmy Carter had to sell his peanut farm to avoid even the slightest possibility that there would come a conflict of interest in his presidency but this corrupt ****** is allowed to have millions upon millions invested in countries whose feet he's supposed to hold to the fire when they do **** like this. Not a chance.

He's used the power of the presidency for his family business already. His daughter "won" trademarks in China and then almost immediately Trump lifted sanctions on ZTE that would have bankrupted the company.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... e-reversal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:42 pm

This really is an "inconvenience"

- what were the Turks doing bugging the sovereign territory of the KSA embassy?
- what is or can the west, and the US in particular do about it?

Boycotting their conference is purely artificial - all the private/public companies doing so will already be saying directly "don't worry, we still want your money, but we need to address positive PR to avoid taking a hit to our stock price"

The US won't want to react with boycotts - KSA is too strategic, and Silicon Valley is basically funded by their fund right now, so any tech start-ups would slow down if KSA was financially hit.

They will find a way to skirt the issue, after all it's "just" one life

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:14 pm

Saudi suspect in Khashoggi case ‘dies in car accident’
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/saudi- ... ort-138007" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just a coincidence though, of course.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:26 am

This is just shameful.

Washington Post wrote:Hard-line Republicans and conservative commentators are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi that is designed to protect President Trump from criticism of his handling of the dissident journalist’s alleged murder by operatives of Saudi Arabia — and support Trump’s continued aversion to a forceful response to the oil-rich desert kingdom.

In recent days, a cadre of conservative House Republicans allied with Trump has been privately exchanging articles from right-wing outlets that fuel suspicion of Khashoggi, highlighting his association with the Muslim Brotherhood in his youth and raising conspiratorial questions about his work decades ago as an embedded reporter covering Osama bin Laden, according to four GOP officials involved in the discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Those aspersions — which many lawmakers have been wary of stating publicly because of the political risks of doing so — have begun to flare into public view as conservative media outlets have amplified the claims, which are aimed in part at protecting Trump as he works to preserve the U.S.-Saudi relationship and avoid confronting the Saudis on human rights.

Trump’s remarks about reporters amid the Khashoggi fallout have inflamed existing tensions between his allies and the media. At a Thursday rally in Montana, Trump openly praised Rep. Greg Gianforte (R-Mont.) for assaulting a reporter in his bid for Congress last year.

“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my kind of — he’s my guy,” Trump said.

Hours earlier, prominent conservative television personalities were making insinuations about Khashoggi’s background.

“Khashoggi was tied to the Muslim Brotherhood,” Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner asserted on Thursday’s highly rated “Outnumbered” show. “I just put it out there because it is in the constellation of things that are being talked about.” Faulkner then dismissed another guest who called her claim “iffy.”

The message was echoed on the campaign trail. Virginia Republican Corey A. Stewart, who is challenging Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), told a local radio program Thursday that “Khashoggi was not a good guy himself.”

While Khashoggi was once sympathetic to Islamist movements, he moved toward a more liberal, secular point of view, according to experts on the Middle East who have tracked his career. Khashoggi knew bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s during the civil war in Afghanistan, but his interactions with bin Laden were as a journalist with a point of view who was working with a prized source.

Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen, left his home country last year and was granted residency in the United States by federal authorities. He lived in Virginia and wrote for The Washington Post.

Nevertheless, the smears have escalated. Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son and key political booster, shared another person’s tweet last week with his millions of followers that included a line that Khashoggi was “tooling around Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden” in the 1980s, even though the context was a feature story on bin Laden’s activities.

A Tuesday broadcast of CR-TV, a conservative online outlet founded by populartalk-radio host Mark Levin, labeled Khashoggi a “longtime friend” of terrorists and claimed without evidence that Trump was the victim of an “insane” media conspiracy to tarnish him. The broadcast has been viewed more than 12,000 times.

A story in far-right FrontPage magazine casts Khashoggi as a “cynical and manipulative apologist for Islamic terrorism, not the mythical martyred dissident whose disappearance the media has spent the worst part of a week raving about,” and features a garish cartoon of bin Laden and Khashoggi with their arms around each other.

The conservative push comes as Saudi government supporters on Twitter have sought in a propaganda campaign to denigrate Khashoggi as a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist movement once tolerated but now outlawed in Saudi Arabia as a terrorist organization.

“Trump wants to take a soft line, so Trump supporters are finding excuses for him to take it,” said William Kristol, a conservative Trump critic. “One of those excuses is attacking the person who was murdered.”

Several Trump administration aides are aware of the Khashoggi attacks circulating on Capitol Hill and in conservative media, the GOP officials said, adding that aides are being careful to not encourage the disparagement but are also doing little to contest it.

The GOP officials declined to share the names of the lawmakers and others who are circulating information critical of Khashoggi because they said doing so would risk exposing them as sources.

Fred Hiatt, The Post’s editorial page editor who published Khashoggi’s work, sharply criticized the false and distorted claims about Khashoggi, who is feared to have been killed and dismembered by Saudi operatives.

“As anyone knows who knew Jamal — or read his columns — he was dedicated to the values of free speech and open debate. He went into exile to promote those values, and now he may even have lost his life for his dogged determination in their defense,” Hiatt said in a statement. “It may not be surprising that some Saudi-inspired trolls are now trying to distract us from the crime by smearing Jamal. It may not even be surprising to see a few Americans joining in. But in both cases it is reprehensible.”

Trump said Thursday it appears Khashoggi is dead and warned that his administration could consider “very severe” measures against Saudi Arabia, which is conducting its own self-investigation. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin also announced that he would not attend the Future Investment Initiative summit in Saudi Arabia next week, delivering the Trump administration’s first formal rebuke of Saudi Arabia’s royal family.

“The president is concerned. He believes the relationship is important, so do I, but he also understands he’s a leader on the world stage and everybody is watching and he is very concerned,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who met with Trump on Thursday.

Trump, whose grip on his party remains strong less than three weeks before the midterm elections, has seen his cautious approach to Saudi Arabia bolstered not only by the maligning of Khashoggi, but also by a conservative media infrastructure that is generally wary of traditional news organizations and establishment Republicans. As criticism of Trump grows, powerful players in that orbit have stood by the president.

“Donald Trump is keeping his eye on the ball, keeping his eye on the geopolitical ball, the national security ball. He’s not going to get sidetracked by what happened to a journalist, maybe, in the consulate there. He’s not giving cover to anybody,” syndicated talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh said Tuesday.

“For those who are screaming blood for the Saudis — look, these people are key allies,” evangelical leader Pat Robertson said this week. “We’ve got an arms deal that everybody wanted a piece of. . . . It’ll be a lot of jobs, a lot of money come to our coffers. It’s not something you want to blow up willy-nilly.”

Some Republicans on Capitol Hill, on the other hand, are discussing the possibility of legislative action against Saudi Arabia or other ways to lessen U.S. support.

Intelligence community officials this week have been providing continuous briefings on the investigation into Khashoggi’s disappearance to the intelligence committees, whose members enjoy special clearance to view and hear sensitive information.

But in both the House and Senate, lawmakers without such clearance, including the leading Republicans on foreign policy matters, have grown frustrated with what many see as a deliberate attempt by the Trump administration to slow-walk responses to congressional requests for information about Khashoggi’s disappearance, or in some cases ignore lawmakers’ questions outright.

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) have taken the step of invoking the Global Magnitsky Act to force Trump to report to Congress on whether people should face sanctions over Khashoggi’s alleged death, including Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Yet there has been little confidence among senators that Trump will suddenly feel pressure to penalize high-ranking Saudi officials or take other sweeping punitive measures.

In the House, a perceived lack of cooperation from the White House on Khashoggi has compelled some Republicans to take new interest in a bill to invoke the War Powers Resolution to curtail U.S. military support for the Saudi-led coalition operating in Yemen’s civil war. But the legislation has not secured the support of leading Republicans.

Last year, the House voted 366 to 30 to approve a nonbinding resolution stating that the United States’ support for the Saudi-led coalition had not been congressionally authorized — an effort that did not rattle the administration, which continued to build its relationships with Saudi royalty.

Earlier this year, the Senate failed to enact legislation that would have curtailed U.S. support for the Saudi war effort, after appeals from Saudi officials and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis not to pass the measure.

Read more at PowerPost

Liz Sly, Ashley Parker and Josh Dawsey contributed to this report.

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thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:36 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Saudi suspect in Khashoggi case ‘dies in car accident’
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/saudi- ... ort-138007" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just a coincidence though, of course.

was he driving a Toyota Pick up

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This is just shameful.

nothing will happen.....................

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:44 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This is just shameful.

nothing will happen.....................

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:01 pm

thelifeofbrian wrote:nothing will happen.....................

Of course nothing will happen.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:48 pm

Any event like this were the media's first report says they know what happened and who did it makes me very suss...

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:51 pm

What do you think happened smudge lad?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:30 pm

I think its political not sure whether it is to halt progress made or an indirect attack on Trump but I doubt it's as clear cut as a Saudi hit ..I could be wrong of course ..

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:31 pm

You think someone has possibly killed a Saudi in their Embassy in Turkey as an indirect attack on Trump?

I suppose it begs the question, why?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:12 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:I think its political not sure whether it is to halt progress made or an indirect attack on Trump but I doubt it's as clear cut as a Saudi hit ..I could be wrong of course ..

Isn't it funny how everything is done purely to make Trump look bad? Have you even once considered the idea that Trump simply is bad? Like, really, really bad.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:20 am

So after all this, all the denials, all the misdirection the Saudis expect us to believe that he died in a fight at the consulate.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:22 am

Also, China might have murdered the president of Interpol.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/interpol- ... ?r=US&IR=T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

grapidianclaret · Post by **grapidianclaret** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:41 am

What an unfortunate coincidence for Mr Kashoggi. The day he decides to visit the Saudi Embassy to cause a ruccus, a crack assassination and body disposal team is paying that same embassy a swift one day visit.And then he picks a fight with all 15 of them after he has tied himself to a chair. Apparently all to make Trump look bad.
People still sniff glue in England then do they?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:42 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So after all this, all the denials, all the misdirection the Saudis expect us to believe that he died in a fight at the consulate.

To be honest, Khashoggi should have known better. You don't bring bare fists to a bone saw fight.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:51 am

In March, The Intercept reported that MBS boasted that he had Jared Kushner "in his pocket".
In April the Daily Mail reported that Kushner communicates a list of enemies to MBS.

Just imagine if Khashoggi's name was on that list and it was somehow provable.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jar ... in-salman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gence.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:50 am

Pretty normal to visit a consulate and get into a rumble. Western world will accept the Saudi explanation of a brawl gone wrong. Now where do we sign the for next multi billion pound arms deal!?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:10 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Pretty normal to visit a consulate and get into a rumble. Western world will accept the Saudi explanation of a brawl gone wrong. Now where do we sign the for next multi billion pound arms deal!?

Al-Shabaab kill a group of innocent school children in Somalia. The Western world is up in arms with outrage.

Saudi Arabia kill a group of innocent school children in Yemen. The Western world says Saudi Arabia has a right to defend itself.

The hypocrisy of it all. But there you go.

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:17 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So after all this, all the denials, all the misdirection the Saudis expect us to believe that he died in a fight at the consulate.

must of been some fight- I hope he gave them a good slap.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:01 pm

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:03 pm

Some body parts have been found. [SKY] - found in garden of Consul General home.
what has that got to do with a fist fight?

Take the investigation ALL the way...see where it goes.

A truly disgusting event.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:16 pm

Nah I'm still with SmudgetheClaret that its all just a ruse to make an indirect attack on Trump. Well at least that's what is says on Gab

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:37 pm

How can anyone but even mention Trump in this sordid episode. Erdogan is the one who will make something happen - if anything does. The crime was committed in his country and he will want to bring the perpetartors to justice in Turkey. I not ethat there is a big business conference taking place in Saudi Arabia now. Many western companies have shunned it. But of course the Russions and Chinese are there. Says a lot about their ethics and morals.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:04 pm

trump admitted he accepted the saudi version of events, he just shrugged , and immediately talked about future arms deals being important.

The Turks spout a lot about justice, but they too are holding back in order to squeeze financial assistance from the saudis, so they are no better.

UK also deals with S Arabia on a regular basis, how many on here would truly want the boat rocked if jobs were at risk if the customer got too upset ?

Not many I think. Hypocrisy all around.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:22 pm

Stayingup wrote:How can anyone but even mention Trump in this sordid episode. Erdogan is the one who will make something happen - if anything does. The crime was committed in his country and he will want to bring the perpetartors to justice in Turkey. I not ethat there is a big business conference taking place in Saudi Arabia now. Many western companies have shunned it. But of course the Russions and Chinese are there. Says a lot about their ethics and morals.

When you can no longer defend him but you're still a big fan this is the kind of **** you can come out with "How can anyone but even mention Trump in this sordid episode". lol

Trump knows what happened as well as the rest of us do, but he has personal business interests to protect so he'll say whatever he has to say in order to do nothing.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:33 pm

As far as I can see, this is going to run and run.

The only way out for the Saudis is to send MBS into exile somewhere and let the group of 18 stand trial, that won't be in Turkey, as a whole lot more s*#t will come out.

The 18 will spend a few years behind bars and get well remunerated when they come out.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:09 pm

Body parts, found:
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources- ... d-11533202" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:A deal that convinced them to stop building nuclear weapons, which they were complying with. And all in exchange of giving them back their own money and lifting sanctions. A pretty great deal for someone not thinking very deeply.

And yes, your little mind, because it's small minded fools like you who swallow the **** you clearly have gobbled up like a starving dog.

You know you really are a p!llock
And a dim witted one at that. You reckon you know more than me or any other commentator. You don't so shut up

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Isn't it funny how everything is done purely to make Trump look bad? Have you even once considered the idea that Trump simply is bad? Like, really, really bad.

How on earth do you form such idiotic opinions?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:18 pm

Stayingup wrote:You know you really are a p!llock
And a dim witted one at that. You reckon you know more than me or any other commentator. You don't so shut up

I definitely know more than you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:24 pm

Stayingup wrote:How on earth do you form such idiotic opinions?

You think it's an idiotic opinion to think that someone who brags about being able to sexually assault women? Or praises violence against journalists, or who wants to lock up his political enemies, or who has endorsed a child molester for congress, or who conspired with Russia to get elected, or who promotes the Saudi's ridiculous explanation for how they accidentally murdered and dismembered a journalist, or who thinks that neo-nazis can be fine people. And so on, and so on...

No mate, I've got no idea who i could possibly think he's human sc*m. Much like his supporters.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:04 pm

As much as total dick that Trump is, the Turks had the Saudi embassy bugged and say that this was planned days in advance.

Has nobody questioned what the Turks did to try and prevent this happening ? Because we all know how much the Turks like democracy and justice.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:07 pm

And a pity that the left were slow to blame the Russians for what they did over here with nerve agents, those that didn't think it was an anti-Russian conspiracy. Anyone reading this thread would think that Trump planned Kasshoggi's killing himself !

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:38 pm

The pics of Khashoogi after he has been foundhave started doing the rounds in WhatsApp groups.

It definitely wasn’t a fist fight (which we all knew anyway). It’s a statement killing for sure rather than some crack hit squad that ushered him away.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:44 pm

if you were going to come up with an excuse for what happened to him suggesting he picked a fight with 18 assassins inside their own place is a bad one.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:57 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:As much as total dick that Trump is, the Turks had the Saudi embassy bugged and say that this was planned days in advance.

Has nobody questioned what the Turks did to try and prevent this happening ? Because we all know how much the Turks like democracy and justice.

It's a worthy question but i'm unsure how much they might have known in advance. They 15 man team only arrived at the embassy on the same day as Khashoggi. This does imply that they knew in advance that Khashoggi would be there that day, but doesn't necessarily mean the intelligence they had for that would have gone through the embassy, and even if it had there simply might not have been time to process it.

The US knew in advance that Khashoggi was a target, possibly as a result of Turkish intelligence, but failed to do their duty and warn him.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:15 pm

Fair enough IT, but I should imagine that if they were bugging the Saudis then it would have been real time. Certainly a question to be answered.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:45 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:Fair enough IT, but I should imagine that if they were bugging the Saudis then it would have been real time. Certainly a question to be answered.

I imagine it would be monitored round the clock. But it might just be that someone in the room was a spy and recorded the killing. Has it been reported that the embassy was bugged? I'm not sure it has (i might be wrong on that), and it'd be pretty lucky for them to have only one bug in one room that just happens to be the room in which he was tortured and killed. So they'd have to have multiple rooms bugged, but then how likely is it that these bugs wouldn't be found?

Unless it's been reported otherwise i think it's more likely that someone in the room was a Turkish asset who recorded it.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:31 pm

Sounds like a case for McGill..He wil sort it..

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:42 pm

I don't think Erdogan skimps on the cost of his security services. Bugging wouldn't necessarily have to be the old fashioned way with microphones in the ashtray. Telecoms is how its done and, unless every call was on a scrambled phone, it wouldn't be too hard. Assets are always about but Arabs don't trust non Arabs and I doubt the cleaner would have had unfettered access to conversations. careful what you say down the phone, or e-mail.....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:13 pm

Just in case you thought that the Trump administration were sincere when they claimed to give a **** about Khashoggi...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-fet ... ?r=US&IR=T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:31 am

Not read the thread because some of you have a tendency to waffle on but the poor fella turned his Apple Watch on before he went in. Hope that clears it up

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:18 am

Apparently Khashoggi tripped as he went into reception and hit a chainsaw juggler who happened to be visiting. The Saudis knew no one would believe it, so they buried him in the consulate garden to see if he would grow again. It’s obvious when you know what really happened. The Saudis are lovely people, but basically misunderstood.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:53 pm

Turkish media is reporting that the CIA has a recording of the Saudi Crown Prince ordering Khashoggi to be silenced.

Trump, of course, has thrown his full support behind the Crown Prince.

https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-east ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;