James McLean - Ireland

[theroyaldyche]

What do you think of him?

[Falcon]

Where's my popcorn

[claretblue]

What do you think of him?

I don't remember!

[Rowls]

He's typical of young men brought up in an environment of hostility and open prejudice.

I don't like him because of it but at the same time I pity him. The kind of mindset he apparently shows is stuck in the 1970s.

It's troubling and saddening.

[ClaretAndJew]

Probably same as I'd feel if a country's armed forces murdered people in my community.

[Tall Paul]

Never heard of him.

[MACCA]

A very apt day to bring him up. Feel sorry for the bloke, clearly has his demons.

Football wise, thought he would fit into our style of play, and wouldn't have been to adverse at us bringing him in as a 4th wide option to replace Arfield. He'd have got quite a few minutes this season for us

[claptrappers_union]

Oh, its that time of year again

[Falcon]

I'd have him in our squad.

[claretblue]

I'd have him in our squad.

he'd then be referred to as a squaddie!

[Goobs]

You're a month too early.

[Quickenthetempo]

How's he doing in the championship?

[conyoviejo]

Not this old chestnut being regurgitated again..

[SGr]

I'd have him in our squad.

In terms of being Premier League quality, I think I’d rather have a user on here drawn out of the hat, in the squad.

[HatfieldClaret]

I think most people who have an opinion have aired them countless times (including me).

next thread.....

[SGr]

Fighting a losing battle is anyone trying to get these sort of posts cut down on.

upthebrexit.com

[theroyaldyche]

P list

[Yearofthefox]

Probably same as I'd feel if a country's armed forces murdered people in my community.

totally agree....

[theroyaldyche]

Cant believe some people would have him in our squad.

[Quickenthetempo]

Probably same as I'd feel if a country's armed forces murdered people in my community.

Maybe if the Irish weren't murdering people the army wouldn't have to have gone there?

[Falcon]

Maybe if the Irish weren't murdering people the army wouldn't have to have gone there?

Maybe it's not as simple as Good Guys versus Bad Guys.

If he's good enough, I'd have him in the squad. I don't care about a football player's political views unless he's actively promoting terrorism.

[Quickenthetempo]

Maybe it's not as simple as Good Guys versus Bad Guys.

If he's good enough, I'd have him in the squad. I don't care about a football player's political views unless he's actively promoting terrorism.

I'm certain it wasn't as simple.

Claret and Jew posts in a manner to get a reaction. Usually just being an arse.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Maybe if the Irish weren't murdering people the army wouldn't have to have gone there?

Overly simplistic view there.

[Yearofthefox]

Maybe if the Irish weren't murdering people the army wouldn't have to have gone there?

The UK government and Ministry of War aren't without sin...

[Quickenthetempo]

The UK government and Ministry of War aren't without sin...

Definitely not, you can normally put that down to oil or money though.

[Braindead]

Cant believe some people would have him in our squad.

If playing wise, he is a better option than having either an 18 year old untried kid or nobody at all on the bench, then of course i would want him to be in our squad.

I also couldn't give two shiny shites about his political leanings as it has nothing whatsover to do with his footballing abilities.

[Tribesmen]

Passion he has for his country , just love the lad .

[corporal jones]

Maybe if the Irish weren't murdering people the army wouldn't have to have gone there?

Idiot. Read some history occasionally instead of the tabloids, and you might learn something other than what the establishment want you to think.

[JohnMac]

Probably same as I'd feel if a country's armed forces murdered people in my community.

How about the people within the community murdered by people within the community just for balance?

[JohnMac]

Mclean's political view is a product of his upbringing just like David Healey's was from the opposite side of the divide.

There are plenty of Spanish players with opposing views over Catalonia.

I don't think McLean is doing anything to be ashamed of based on his political view even if it may differ to mine.

[ClaretAndJew]

How about the people within the community murdered by people within the community just for balance?

People murdered by people ego murdered the people who murdered their people.

[JohnMac]

I learnt this today about St Patrick.

According to the Confessio of Patrick, when he was about 16, he was captured by Irish pirates from his home in Britain and taken as a slave to Ireland, looking after animals; he lived there for six years before escaping and returning to his family. After becoming a cleric, he returned to northern and western Ireland. In later life, he served as a bishop, but little is known about the places where he worked. By the seventh century, he had already come to be revered as the patron saint of Ireland.

Not always been about a post Cromwellian Ireland, coming over here nicking our tennagers!

[Quickenthetempo]

Idiot. Read some history occasionally instead of the tabloids, and you might learn something other than what the establishment want you to think.

OK Corporal. Which bit of history do you want me to read that agrees with your slant on it?

[bluelabrador16]

Quickenthetempo

".. Which bit of history do you want me to read...."

Entirely up to you...

1....Irish Holocaust

"Ireland's Holocaust of 1845-50 was one of history's greatest crimes. Its toll was well over five million innocents comprising the most gaelic, least anglified, of the people. Their bones are strewn in mass graves across Ireland. They are also along the routes fled by the desperate starvelings - the canal tow-paths and roads to Dublin, in and around England's cities especially Liverpool; also along the routes to and sites of Australian death camps, along the sea floor below the coffin-ship routes to Canada and the U.S. and along the shores of both and of the St. Lawrence river. Untold thousands were cremated at home by neighbors who, upon finding the entire family perished, would torch the thatch rather than risk contagion....

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2....Black and Tans

The attitude of the Black and Tans is best summed up by one of their divisional commanders:

“If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there – the more the merrier.Should the order (“Hands Up”) not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching (a patrol) carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man.”

Lt. Col. Smyth, June 1920

https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/i ... -and-tans/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3....The B-Specials – Unionism’s stormtroopers

"...ANTI-CATHOLIC POGROMS

"....The B-Specials were responsible for anti-Catholic pogroms in every decade from the 1920s to the 1960s, and were heavily involved in the attempts to smash the civil rights movement of 1968-69, as well as the attacks on the nationalist areas of Belfast, Newry, Derry and other areas in the North in August 1969.......

With the eyes of the world focused on events in the North during the summer of 1969, however, the blatant sectarianism of the force became an embarrassment to Britain and in October the B-Specials were disbanded and a new armed loyalist force, the Ulster Defence Regiment, replaced them.

Former B-Special members joined the UDR en masse and the change, in effect, only meant a change of name and uniform for the bigots of Northern loyalism....."



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[BurnleyFC]

Probably same as I'd feel if a country's armed forces murdered people in my community.

Like the Palestinenians, then?

[randomclaret2]

A difficult topic and one that has a historical backdrop spanning hundreds of years. Im not sure lifting articles wholesale from An Poblacht is going to help in gaining a balanced understanding.

[tim_noone]

Entirely up to you...

1....Irish Holocaust



2....Black and Tans

The attitude of the Black and Tans is best summed up by one of their divisional commanders:



3....The B-Specials – Unionism’s stormtroopers

Is that tw.t waving his truncheon the fatha of the other tw.t waving his truncheon on the CFS Burnley v Blackburn