Steve Bruce for director of football

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:08 am

I feel this would be a good appointment.He seems the sort of guy Sean could work with and seems to be able to recruit well at his former clubs

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:03 am

Always seems to sign loads of players from strange places. Birmingham, Wigan, Sunlan, Hull all saddled with debt.

Did ok with a couple of Concacaf lads at Wigan, but who since?

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:13 am

Lets get Fergies old right hand man in the local MP.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:53 am

Why would someone who has never done the job suddenly be a good appointment? Bruce has relied on Stan Ternent doing that job for him (the recruitment side) at most of his last few clubs other than Villa.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:56 am

Bfcboyo wrote:Lets get Fergies old right hand man in the local MP.

Will-i-am, or Julie Cooper?

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:33 am

I'll probably get slated on here for saying this but the first name I thought of was Steve Cotterill. He knows the club and has a good eye for a player. 2 examples John McGreal coming towards the end of his career and Gary Cahill a young up and coming player. He's also been in and around football for a long time. Long enough to know the requirements and for me a small part of the process to get us to where we are today.

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:51 am

Dyche is a big fan of Steve Bruce. But it’s unlikely to happen.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:54 am

Why do people, like woodleyclaret, come up with these silly ideas in the first place?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:08 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Why do people, like woodleyclaret, come up with these silly ideas in the first place?

He's a local green grocer who needs to shift a load of cabbages.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:30 pm

Steve Cotterill is a great shout. What could possibly go wrong putting a perennial lower league failure and egotistical bumpkin into a Technical Director role at a premier league club?

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:33 pm

Stan's the man for me

Denno97 · Post by **Denno97** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:47 pm

Needs to be ideally someone with experience either has worked abroad or has knowledge of the European market. For a club with our budget that’s where the bargains are

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:52 pm

Get Harrys dog in and f..ck the job right up!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:18 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:Stan's the man for me

I’d hope it was an appointment of a more forward thinking nature.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 pm

DCWat wrote:I’d hope it was an appointment of a more forward thinking nature.

Was it Stan that brought McGuire and Robertson into Hull... Seem to remember seeing a story about it.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:34 pm

Out of interest is Stan Ternent involved with football atm in any capacity?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:35 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:I feel this would be a good appointment.He seems the sort of guy Sean could work with and seems to be able to recruit well at his former clubs

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:05 pm

sounds a good a match as keegan and dennis wise at newcastle utd.

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:17 pm

Another upvote for Steve Cotterill. I think he's flawed as a manager, but he has a real eye for a player and can spot them early enough to get the kind of value for money that Burnley needs.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:23 pm

Oshkoshclaret wrote:Another upvote for Steve Cotterill. I think he's flawed as a manager, but he has a real eye for a player and can spot them early enough to get the kind of value for money that Burnley needs.

Brought some decent players to Burnley after inheritting a squad of nine, was it? But McGreal, Sinclair, Harley, Alexander weren't exactly 'finds'

What have his signings been like since joining us? (Genuine question as I've no idea)

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:31 pm

Surreal.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:45 pm

Seen it all

A post created to bring fresh ideas to a side in need of them and apparently Steve Bruce is the man for the job

EDIT: I’m also seeing Stan Ternant and Steve Cotterill being mentioned. I shouldn’t be surprised but god almighty

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:49 pm

Dwight Yorke would be my choice. He's got an eye for talent

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:57 am

If Bruce did come he would more than likely in the future step into Dyches job

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:03 am

Denno97 wrote:Needs to be ideally someone with experience either has worked abroad or has knowledge of the European market. For a club with our budget that’s where the bargains are

Spot on about looking abroad but it ain't gonna happen is it. The thread about Spaniards at Burnley yesterday got me looking and our history of employing foreigners is almost non-existent. When we do they tend to fail. Obviously Defour and JBG are an exception but they also show that foreign investment can often be the way forward. I would love to see it but I won't hold my breath.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:30 pm

Re foriegn players Stan stuggled to play Dimi Pap despite the fact Dimi scored for fun playing for Greece.
Maybe not your best man to oversee a European scouting and recruiting network

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:17 pm

Eddie Howe brought some of our best players in .

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:20 pm

He couldn't direct the traffic round Burney centre .. The useless fat slug..

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:22 pm

Eddie chocked at Burnley he couldnt handle the fans expectations.Resigned before he was sacked.He works well at Bournemouth with his moneybags chairman.
Sean has done far more with little support from a sugar daddy generating our sucess from sales and shrewd signings

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:24 pm

Cotts would be the perfect foil for Dyche you can just see them working together

Dyche: "Stevie can you find me a really hard working player with no flair and skill to save me having to drain it out of them"
Cotts: "You're in luck Sean. Dull uninspiring footballers who can hoof it hard and long are my specialty"

Teamwork makes the dream work

steve_f · Post by **steve_f** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:05 am

Dimi Papadop, I’ve got a pici of his shirt

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:15 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Cotts would be the perfect foil for Dyche you can just see them working together

Dyche: "Stevie can you find me a really hard working player with no flair and skill to save me having to drain it out of them"
Cotts: "You're in luck Sean. Dull uninspiring footballers who can hoof it hard and long are my specialty"

Teamwork makes the dream work

Devils Advocate, you really are the living end!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:21 am

So we've got Bruce, Cotterill & Ternent so far. I suspect the person who gets the job will be someone who has done the technical director type role previously which would rule all three of them out. The only person I can think of who has been a manager and also done that role is Mark Warburton, that was his first job at Brentford.

We will be looking for a Dan Ashworth type I would imagine.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:33 am

I'd certainly hope the club are setting their sights higher than the likes of Cotterrill and Steve Bruce.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:38 am

jrgbfc wrote:I'd certainly hope the club are setting their sights higher than the likes of Cotterrill and Steve Bruce.

As said, I don't think we are looking for someone for experience as a manager.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:22 am

I’d imagine their would have to be a change in the boardroom from Cotterill to ever return even as a steward.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:38 am

ClaretTony wrote:So we've got Bruce, Cotterill & Ternent so far. I suspect the person who gets the job will be someone who has done the technical director type role previously which would rule all three of them out. The only person I can think of who has been a manager and also done that role is Mark Warburton, that was his first job at Brentford.

We will be looking for a Dan Ashworth type I would imagine.

Apart from Warburton, I can think of one or two others. Funnily enough, one of them is Brian Flynn who did the technical role with Wales for one. If we're talking about candidates with a claret connection then he and his old side kick Kevin Reeves (now Chief Scout at Everton) would seem more plausible than Ternant or Cotterill. I'm not sure the logic of targetting someone with connections to the club stacks up by the way - the only real advantage is if you get continuity because the person's links means theyre more likely to stick around, but that won't always hold.

The trouble with ex managers as technical directors is they tend to be used to the limelight and have a little bit of ego (inevitable part of being a number 1) which rarely gels well with an existing manager (funnily enough whilst I'm not touting Flynn, he's by all accounts not got any sort of ego which might be why hes increasingly taken background roles as hes got older).

The best technical directors tend to be either scouts by background or "dealers" who are good at getting deals done (sometimes ex agents). Ultimately, weve got to decide what skill set we lack- is it a talent spotter, a deal-doer or someone who can do that but also take control of the wider football scene below the first team, and recruit accordingly.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:27 pm

Excuse my ignorance, but is the club actually seeking to bring in a director of football or is this just conjecture on this MB?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:31 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but is the club actually seeking to bring in a director of football or is this just conjecture on this MB?

Believe we are - was reported a week or so ago. But given the structure suggested - Dyche would still report directly to the Chairman, it feels very much like a background, administrative role rather than a wider ranging brief.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:35 pm

claretspice wrote:Believe we are - was reported a week or so ago. But given the structure suggested - Dyche would still report directly to the Chairman, it feels very much like a background, administrative role rather than a wider ranging brief.

Thanks. I'd not read or heard anything about this.
Hopefully we can find someone with new and wider contacts rather than ex BFC managers or players.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:28 pm

It's a technical director role and he'll head up recruitment plus be heavily involved in the academy

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:30 pm

claretspice wrote:Apart from Warburton, I can think of one or two others. Funnily enough, one of them is Brian Flynn who did the technical role with Wales for one. If we're talking about candidates with a claret connection then he and his old side kick Kevin Reeves (now Chief Scout at Everton) would seem more plausible than Ternant or Cotterill. I'm not sure the logic of targetting someone with connections to the club stacks up by the way - the only real advantage is if you get continuity because the person's links means theyre more likely to stick around, but that won't always hold.

The trouble with ex managers as technical directors is they tend to be used to the limelight and have a little bit of ego (inevitable part of being a number 1) which rarely gels well with an existing manager (funnily enough whilst I'm not touting Flynn, he's by all accounts not got any sort of ego which might be why hes increasingly taken background roles as hes got older).

The best technical directors tend to be either scouts by background or "dealers" who are good at getting deals done (sometimes ex agents). Ultimately, weve got to decide what skill set we lack- is it a talent spotter, a deal-doer or someone who can do that but also take control of the wider football scene below the first team, and recruit accordingly.

Didn't Reeves leave Everton when Martinez went? He was at QPR last time I heard.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:13 pm

Think i've found just the man for the job. What do you reckon CT could you pass on my recommendation to Mr Garlick?

https://www.thepfsa.co.uk/jason-blake

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote:So we've got Bruce, Cotterill & Ternent so far. I suspect the person who gets the job will be someone who has done the technical director type role previously which would rule all three of them out. The only person I can think of who has been a manager and also done that role is Mark Warburton, that was his first job at Brentford.

We will be looking for a Dan Ashworth type I would imagine.

Aren't Warburton and Dyche friends? If he has done the job at Brentford then that would probably be a good move (assuming he would be interested)

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:49 pm

Surely it should be someone who understands (or can learn to understand) our club, like Dyche does, but can also broaden its horizons, in recruitment and sports science and psychology.

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:07 pm

Without knowing the exact role it’s incredibly difficult to figure out who exactly would be a good fit for the role.

CT’s comments about it being a recruitment role primarily but with heavy input into the academy side of the club mean that for me we need somebody with a track record of successful transfer dealings but who’s not so divorced from coaching/effective management that they cannot oversee the youth set up.

Whoever we appoint has to be a long term appointment- we can not afford to employ somebody and then see them bugger off in 12/18 months. This person needs to do the following:
(1) Improve our domestic scouting network at all levels
(2) Establish and then develop a foreign scouting network
(3) Create a “Burnley” template for our youth set up; a way of playing that allows for coherent progression through the entire youth set up but which is also allied closely enough to the first team so that when we do get players able to make the transition they’re not having to learn a whole new playing style.
(4) Employ U23 and U18 coaches who fit the model created.

This genuinely could be the most important staff recruitment process we do for the next 5-10 years...

As much as I want a quick appointment I think that we have to do this slowly and professionally. We can not afford to get it wrong!