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Heaton interview

Post by burnmark » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:29 am

Tom Heaton interview in the Mirror. Talks about his injury, England and the future.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Claret Till I Die » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:34 am

That's a play me or I'm off interview if ever I've seen one

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:49 am

Seems inevitable he'll leave in January.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:51 am

Wow, fair comments, sad but inevitable he will go.

I don’t want him to go but don’t blame Dyche at alll for this one, it’s just unfortunate

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Bosscat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:59 am

We cannot have 3 keepers of Tom, Nick and Joe's qualities on the books without at least one getting hacked off.

If (and reading I reckon it looks increasingly likely) the Mirror article is a reflection on Toms thoughts, I reckon we will see Tom move to pastures new.

If he does go it will be with the thanks of every Claret for the service he has given over the past 5 and a half years..... 2 promotions etc and a very vocal * captain...

*That was something that struck me and my Brother when we went up to Carlisle for a pre-season friendly (back in the summer of 2013). Tom bellowing out orders to the back 4 and beyond.... we will miss that.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Lord Beamish » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:07 am

I think he might be best off waiting. I don’t see Hart’s tenure here as anything other than an operation by him and the Club to get his career back on its feet. It would not surprise me at all to see Joe leave the Club at the end of the Season for better wages for him and a nice fee for us.
I also can’t see the Sean allowing Tom to leave in January if there is any doubt over Pope’s fitness.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by bfcjg » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:10 am

Really gutted for him reading that article. Looks like he will be going but he will be sadly missed especially the way he organises the defence.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Carport » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:26 am

Might this partly explain Burnley’s poor performances to date with quite a few players not quite ‘at it’ ? Was there a rift between Heaton and Dyche because the latter played Hart against Saints when the former ‘expected to play’? Has that put a few other players’ noses out of joint, loyal to their own club captain? Purely conjecture but makes you wonder?
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:34 am

Carport wrote:Might this partly explain Burnley’s poor performances to date with quite a few players not quite ‘at it’ ? Was there a rift between Heaton and Dyche because the latter played Hart against Saints when the former ‘expected to play’? Has that put a few other players’ noses out of joint, loyal to their own club captain? Purely conjecture but makes you wonder?
Absolutely.

You know what they say about one bad apple (Joe Hart in this case NOTE THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OR METAPHOR). We have had a togetherness and team spirit with similar wages etc. The impact of someone with many England caps and bigger wages etc is hard to determine.

The problem for us is when you get to 7th in the prem improving the squad is difficult and this is one example of why and how it can upset the apple cart. Our defence has looked nowhere near as solid since the Saints game as it happens....
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:37 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Absolutely.

You know what they say about one bad apple (Joe Hart in this case). We have had a togetherness and team spirit with similar wages etc. The impact of someone with many England caps and bigger wages etc is hard to determine.

The problem for us is when you get to 7th in the prem improving the squad is difficult and this is one example of why and how it can upset the apple cart. Our defence has looked nowhere near as solid since the Saints game as it happens....
But this is just making things up.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:37 am

taio wrote:But this is just making things up.
It’s called an opinion.

It would be nice if you could read and understand a post before commenting..... :shock:
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hipper » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:38 am

I thought that those that saw Heaton play at Burton were not impressed.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:39 am

Hibsclaret wrote:It’s called an opinion.

It would be nice if you could read and understand a post before commenting..... :shock:
A baseless opinion.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:41 am

taio wrote:A baseless opinion.
Unlike the value added by your comments. Thanks for your input to the thread...worthwhile as ever

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:44 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Unlike the value added by your comments. Thanks for your input to the thread...worthwhile as ever
My response doesn't add any value, no. But it was very unlikely to when I'm just commenting on the made up bullshit that you posted about bad apple and the rest. As I said baseless nonsense.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:47 am

You may want to read my post again.

My post is an example of what can and may have happened. It is conjecture to a degree and what I’m trying to get over is the fact that one or two of our brilliant lads of recent seasons may be having their nose pushed out of joint as we try to continue to improve.

I didn’t make anything up and have an opinion which you may or may not agree with.

Mentioning Joe Hart was an example of a bad apple. He has played brilliantly and may be sound with the lads but the bad apple is a metaphor for the impact on everyone else (Ben Mee for example as a good mate of Tom’s)
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:50 am

Perhaps you can expand on your option to justify saying Hart is a bad apple.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Carport » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:51 am

Hipper wrote:I thought that those that saw Heaton play at Burton were not impressed.
I’m not suggesting Heaton should have played over Hart since the start of the season and yes I was at Burton and thought Heaton could have done better on their first goal.

It’s possible though with Heaton’s omission from league games and Mee’s ommission from the Europa League he fought so hard last season to reach, that not all players are rowing the boat in the same direction as Dyche in the way they were last season. That’s an opinion! Nothing more!
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:52 am

taio wrote:Perhaps you can expand on your option to justify saying Hart is a bad apple.
Hopefully you can understand. I have no problem with Joe. Shouldn’t need to educate people on here tbh but people fail to read and comprehend...

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:55 am

Carport wrote:That’s an opinion! Nothing more!
Not sure you are allowed those on here Carport. It’s amazing that the ones commenting don’t add any value to the debate by rationalising alternative thought...

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:55 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Hopefully you can understand. I have no problem with Joe. Shouldn’t need to educate people on here tbh but people fail to read and comprehend...
"You know what they say about one bad apple (Joe Hart in this case)"

"this is one example of why and how it can upset the apple cart"

Unambiguous.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:57 am

taio wrote:"You know what they say about one bad apple (Joe Hart in this case)"

"this is one example of why and how it can upset the apple cart"

Unambiguous.
I give up.

Back to school at 9 in the morning for some....

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:59 am

Hibsclaret wrote:I give up.

Back to school at 9 in the morning for some....
Yeah sounds like you need to.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by NL Claret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:39 am

Some fans have struggled more than Heaton adapt to him been number 2. Pre-conceived opinions of Joe Hart and sentiment for Heaton. Those with the pre-conceived ideas should speak to Man City fans about him. One behind me constantly abuses him and another miserable sod behind me was convinced Hart only signed as he was promised first team football, he changed his tune after the Man U penalty save. He was worried how Tom must be feeling.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Targetman » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:40 am

taio wrote:A baseless opinion.
I dont think its baseless at all. I think Hibsclaret makes a very good, plausible suggestion re: Joe Hart and Tom Heaton.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:47 am

Targetman wrote:I dont think its baseless at all. I think Hibsclaret makes a very good, plausible suggestion re: Joe Hart and Tom Heaton.
If it's not baseless you'll be able to explain why Hart is a bad apple.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:51 am

taio wrote:If it's not baseless you'll be able to explain why Hart is a bad apple.
Ffs. The bad apple was a metaphor. I like Joe Hart. The bad apple metaphor relates to the impact of change on others... how many more times? Please try to understand

Metaphor - a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:55 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Ffs. The bad apple was a metaphor. I like Joe Hart. The bad apple metaphor relates to the impact of change on others... how many more times? Please try to understand
I fully understood your original post as it was worded at the time. I can see you felt the need to edit it.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:57 am

taio wrote:I fully understood
Therein lies the problem. You think you understand but unfortunately your lack of intelligence tells everyone else otherwise...

The post was edited to stop anyone else getting the wrong end of the stick. Unlikely as it was for anyone else to not understand

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hipper » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:02 am

'A Bad Apple' - a bad or corrupt person in a group, especially one whose behaviour is likely to have a detrimental influence on the others.

Sure we can speculate but do any of us really know what the inter personal relationships are within the squad?

There may be other reasons for our poor defensive performances. We've been 'found out'; the real Stephen Ward has not turned up; the Europa episode and our inexperience of dealing with it.......

Players have surely come in before and broken our wages cap so I wouldn't have thought that was a factor. If players are sulking because of Tom not getting in the side, or Ben Mee's contract business, that's out of order.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:04 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Therein lies the problem. You think you understand but unfortunately your lack of intelligence tells everyone else otherwise...

The post was edited to stop anyone else getting the wrong end of the stick. Unlikely as it was for anyone else to not understand
See above.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by claretblue » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:06 am

'...The one thing I’ve been consistent about in my career is moving clubs in order to play games...'

think Tom will want away if he's not 1st choice at Burnley...he's been fantastic for us!

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:08 am

An honest post by an honest player.Hes not had much game time and agreed he was poor at Burton but so where many others, Longy excepted.
Joe Hart is playing well though and you dont drop inform players.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:11 am

It only takes minor changes for a well oiled machine to start working at a lower performance level. We were a well oiled machine, certainly the back 5 last season, given the number of goals conceded etc (I know this was without Heaton...)

We can all speculate but it is unusual for a Burnley player under Dyche to come out with statements like Heaton has done. He can’t be happy and someone like him won’t be happy on the sidelines because he’s not a wage stealer like someone like Bamford for example.

The players may not be sulking and may just be adapting to a different kind of keeper. It is transition of sorts and may get better as the season goes on.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:17 am

Don't think Pope will be happy sitting on the bench after last season either. To be honest I think we've given ourselves a massive headache that was completely unnecessary really. Did we really need to sign Hart?

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by warksclaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:19 am

He came In when all our other keepers were injured, earned the respect of the team through some sensational saves and is now the PL's best keeper based on the number of sales.Our goal difference is minus 2 when it could easily be minus 10. He could of course dislocate his shoulder at the Etiard next week. That's football
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Foulthrow » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:26 am

STAY UP!!!!!

I'll miss that shout every other Saturday.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Claretforever » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:34 am

In truth I prefer Heaton over Pope. I really don’t want Heaton to leave, and he is the only one of the 3 keepers who organises the defence by constantly bellowing out instructions. Hart probably hasn’t had to do that at other clubs because of the quality of the players around him, but it’s apparent here that that is lacking in his game a little.

Tom needs games to be first team match sharp.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by SGr » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:50 am

Obviously I’d love Heaton to stay but at his age and how well he’s played for us I think he deserves to be starting for somebody. Truth is he’s now the 3rd choice keeper at this club when all are fit. Makes total sense for him at this stage to leave for more game time, a bigger wage, or both.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:53 am

Pretty damning interview!!! Seems like he doesnt give a toss if he puts SDs nose out of joint. This last 6 months has seen Marney, Arfield, Haeton and Walters all speak out about not being happy. I get players have always done this but not at this club under SDs reign. Seems like the main core group which Arfield and Marney were part of have seen the club outgrow them. Sadly we have not replaced them sufficiently and are now lacking leaders

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:54 am

SGr wrote:Obviously I’d love Heaton to stay but at his age and how well he’s played for us I think he deserves to be starting for somebody. Truth is he’s now the 3rd choice keeper at this club when all are fit. Makes total sense for him at this stage to leave for more game time, a bigger wage, or both.
Can see him going Spurs as a No2 that will still get decent gametime.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by IAmAClaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:10 pm

Joe Hart has played well. Hes not one to get injured or get sent off (Don't think he ever has?), and with our poor cup record, combined with his good form, you can't see where our No2, whoever it may be, will get a game.

But, the recent few years have shown that Hart has a mistake or poor run of form in him, giving chance to someone else.

And we all know that Heaton and Pope are probably the most reliable keepers in the league. Its Harts shirt till he drops it.

That's the way Dyche likes it - and its proven to work!

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:33 pm

Heaton hasn't done a thing to claim the shirt back unfortunately in the games he has had.

Needs games somewhere.
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by TVC15 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:39 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Ffs. The bad apple was a metaphor. I like Joe Hart. The bad apple metaphor relates to the impact of change on others... how many more times? Please try to understand

Metaphor - a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable
That’s not really how it works !!
Bad Apple is a metaphor but that does not mean you can just change the meaning of the metaphor.
Bad Apple in this example would imply that Joe Hart is “bad” and that rots the rest of the apples (or rest of the team in this case).

It’s not about the impact of change on others - it’s the impact of the bad Apple on other apples !
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Re: Heaton interview

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:01 pm

I think we all knew it was likely one of Heaton or Pope would be leaving eventually when Hart signed. Impossible to keep all three happy when they've all had a taste of first team & England football.

If I were his agent I'd be calling ManU, De Gea has been terrible this season and looking for a move.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:05 pm

Carport wrote:I’m not suggesting Heaton should have played over Hart since the start of the season and yes I was at Burton and thought Heaton could have done better on their first goal.

It’s possible though with Heaton’s omission from league games and Mee’s ommission from the Europa League he fought so hard last season to reach, that not all players are rowing the boat in the same direction as Dyche in the way they were last season. That’s an opinion! Nothing more!
If Ben Mee had fallen out with SD I'm pretty sure he'd be nowhere near the captain's armband. He'd possibly not even be in the team.

As for Heaton; it's a tough one. He's been great for us but while he's been out of the team, Pope and then Hart have done very well. He can't just demand his place back because of who he is and teams don't change goalkeepers without good reason (injury, suspension or terrible loss of form).

I agree with the idea that Hart was only intended as a short term fix to cover Pope, get him back in the shop window and hopefully make us a few quid. But even if that's the case, Heaton may not be first choice over Pope.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by Murger » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:15 pm

Definitely after a move after reading that.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by IanMcL » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:52 pm

Heaton let a howler in against Burton and it passed by without comment. I am a Heaton fan, however, he needs proper matches, that's for sure.

Not a great Hart fan. However, he has got better and better. Thank you Joe Hart. I suspect, as LBeamish suggests, Hart will move on in January, having proved to everyone that it was just love and confidence he needed.

I hope Pope is fully functioning, by then, as he is the best by a mile.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by taio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:01 pm

Don't think Hart will leave in January if he's still in the starting eleven. Not sure why he would so soon given he's rediscovered his form after a difficult time and uncertainty about his future.

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Re: Heaton interview

Post by claretblue » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:13 pm

CombatClaret wrote:If I were his agent I'd be calling ManU, De Gea has been terrible this season and looking for a move.
Grant already there! ;)

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