Schengan Area: NI Ireland and Eire Pasport Situation

[2 Bee Holed]

How does this currently work in Ireland?

If say an Iranian lands in Dublin, then travels by car to Belfast and then flies to Manchester.
How does all this currently work?

I am thinking we must just have accepted the EIRE passport and immigration checks and then
they have free reign to travel anywhere in the UK.
Am I correct?


You can see that I am trying to solve some of the issues the UK and EU boffins cannot.
I am also thinking, that once we leave the EU, what is there to stop an EU citizen travelling
to EIRE and then onto anywhere in the UK?
How do we seal that border?

[quoonbeatz]

the iranian would need photographic id to fly from belfast to manchester and i doubt any airline would be letting him do that with just his iranian library card.

[Tall Paul]

Like the UK, Ireland aren't part of the Schengen area.

[2 Bee Holed]

the iranian would need photographic id to fly from belfast to manchester and i doubt any airline would be letting him do that with just his iranian library card.

So in effect there is already some sort of border in the Irish Sea?
How about if he caught a ferry to the the rest of the UK?

Yes I know that EIRE and UK are not in the Schengan Area, but in effect we are using Eire's passport security as our own,
are we not?

[quoonbeatz]

your iranian would need a passport.

[Carport]

Eire and the UK are part of something called the Common Travel Area which allows free travel between those countries subject to an individual’s particular circumstances. So yes, the UK defers to the EIRE Immigration officer’s assessment regarding a person’s compliance with EIRE’s and the UK’s Immigration rules.

[Carport]

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[Tall Paul]

So in effect there is already some sort of border in the Irish Sea?
How about if he caught a ferry to the the rest of the UK?

Yes I know that EIRE and UK are not in the Schengan Area, but in effect we are using Eire's passport security as our own,
are we not?

Why mention Schengen in the thread title?

The airlines and ferry companies require passports, but it isn't part of any border controls.

And please stop calling it Eire.

[Carport]

Why mention Schengen in the thread title?

The airlines and ferry companies require passports, but it isn't part of any border controls.

And please stop calling it Eire.

Doesn’t ‘EIRE’ draw the distinction between Northern and Southern Ireland better than referring to the latter as just ‘Ireland’ which seems to be the alternative official title for that area of the Green Isle?

[Tall Paul]

Doesn’t ‘EIRE’ draw the distinction between Northern and Southern Ireland better than referring to the latter as just ‘Ireland’ which seems to be the alternative official title for that area of the Green Isle?

Eire is just the Gaelic word for Ireland so doesn't actually draw any distinction. Nobody refers to Wales as Cymru or Spain as Espana, so why refer to Ireland as Eire? It just seems a bit anachronistic to me.

If you're struggling to distinguish between them, what's wrong with using Republic of Ireland?

[Carport]

Yes fair enough TP

[thatdberight]

Éire is The Republic of Ireland's own name for itself. So it really does draw a distinction and isn't anachronistic in any way. However, I'm sure the English think they know best. As usual.

[ClaretTony]

Doesn’t ‘EIRE’ draw the distinction between Northern and Southern Ireland better than referring to the latter as just ‘Ireland’ which seems to be the alternative official title for that area of the Green Isle?

I always try to refer to the country as the Republic of Ireland although sometimes slip into Ireland. Never do I use the word Eire.

[Foulthrow]

I always try to refer to the country as the Republic of Ireland although sometimes slip into Ireland. Never do I use the word Eire.

You just did.

[Marty Dobson]

Éire is The Republic of Ireland's own name for itself. So it really does draw a distinction and isn't anachronistic in any way. However, I'm sure the English think they know best. As usual.

Eire is the Gaelic for Ireland. all 32 counties of it.
The Gaelic for republic of Ireland is Poblacht na hEireann and for Northern Ireland is Tuaisceart na hEireann.

[Alanstevensonsgloves]

Bayern Munich is a funny one. Surely we should call it either
Bavaria Munich - English version
Bayern Muenchen - German version

Instead we take one word from one and one from t'other

[Wexford_Claret]

The official name of the Republic of Ireland is Éire or Ireland. It used to be Eire (E instead of É) because it was suggested one shouldn’t use a ‘fada’ over a capital letter. However, it was then pointed out ‘Eire’ means ‘burden’ and so the word requires a fada to make it correctly translate as ‘Ireland’. Fun fact for yis.