2nd Goal

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:44 pm

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BTSport say Sane dives, should be FK to us.
Ref puts whistle to lips, players start appealing.
Ball goes out of play.
Silva crosses out of play ball from an offside position.

We were outclassed but what kind of officiating is this?!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:51 pm

Almost as bad as our defending. And the moment that killed the game.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:51 pm

What kind of schoolboy defending was that

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:53 pm

Replay I saw ball looks like it was in play. It may look out but all it needs to be still in play is the very edge of the ball to be over hanging the very edge of the byline. 99% of the ball can be over the line but still its in play (just look at corners nowadays to the naked eye the ball always looks outside the quadrant

Unless MOTD freeze frames it and gives us an angle like they do for the goal line decisions I dont think you can say either way. In the spirit of the game im sure the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team so fair goal and only ourselves to blame. Just thankful we've done it in a game we were gonna lose anyhow

Melbourneclaret · Post by **Melbourneclaret** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:55 pm

Yeah but you play until the whistle. Why did they all stop???

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:56 pm

Dedinitely out. But even so it was our own fault. and we were in the game at that point.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:56 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Replay I saw ball looks like it was in play.

The bods on Radio Lancs say they've seen the replay and it's completely out of play.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:57 pm

Sane is a cheat anyway. Does it every match, with his diving and trying to get players booked.

The Guardiola will come out with the rubbish that his players need protection.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:59 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:The bods on Radio Lancs say they've seen the replay and it's completely out of play.

I've seen the replay as well and it looks out if youre not thinking of it in the terms ive described. The replay doesnt show it side on or from directly above so you cannot say for sure.

Im 60-40 it was still in but it needs some proper analysis with the right freeze frames and camera angles

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:59 pm

Melbourneclaret wrote:Yeah but you play until the whistle. Why did they all stop???

Because ref put whistle in his mouth to blow, then didn't.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:01 pm

IanMcL wrote:Because ref put whistle in his mouth to blow, then didn't.

Refs do this a lot and our players shouldn't be looking at the ref they should be looking at the ball. If this would have happened up the other end you would not be blaming the ref over the Man City defence

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:04 pm

But it didn't! Man City fans would do their job, if that was the case!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:10 pm

If we were through on goal we wouldnt (at least I hope we wouldnt) stop until the whistle went. It was shocking defending. But still doesnt excuse the shocking reffing and awful cheating!!! (again from City)

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:21 pm

As Silva is offside the ball being in or out of play is completely irrelevant.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:21 pm

Game after game we are conceding goals from either crosses coming into our box because we are defending narrow and not getting out to shut the crosser down quickly enough or not getting out quickly enough to close the ball down at the edge of the box.

It's no coincidence that opposing teams are on a game to game basis playing the ball down the flanks and swinging cross after cross into our box.

How many have we conceded with either of those two issues mentioned above this season? 80%?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:25 pm

Absolutely irrelevant that the referee put the whistle to his mouth. The players should be watching the ball and not the referee. It was amateur defending and was painful viewing. The ball didn't look to go out of play to me although I'd be interested to see a better replay. Likewise, I haven't seen a replay that shows that Sane dived but if he did then the referee should of course have stopped play and shown Sane a yellow card.

Edit - we lost our heads during that goal and in the aftermath and City duly punished us with a third goal when we were still all over the place. Shame, because up until then I thought we'd given a good account of ourselves.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:29 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Absolutely irrelevant that the referee put the whistle to his mouth. The players should be watching the ball and not the referee. It was amateur defending and was painful viewing. The ball didn't look to go out of play to me although I'd be interested to see a better replay. Likewise, I haven't seen a replay that shows that Sane dived but if he did then the referee should of course have stopped play and shown Sane a yellow card.

Edit - we lost our heads during that goal and in the aftermath and City duly punished us with a third goal when we were still all over the place. Shame, because up until then I thought we'd given a good account of ourselves.

Looks out of play to me

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:30 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Replay I saw ball looks like it was in play. It may look out but all it needs to be still in play is the very edge of the ball to be over hanging the very edge of the byline. 99% of the ball can be over the line but still its in play (just look at corners nowadays to the naked eye the ball always looks outside the quadrant

Unless MOTD freeze frames it and gives us an angle like they do for the goal line decisions I dont think you can say either way. In the spirit of the game im sure the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team so fair goal and only ourselves to blame. Just thankful we've done it in a game we were gonna lose anyhow

This, from what I've seen the ball was definitely in play because the whole ball has to be out - not just the bit in contact with the grass.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:31 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Looks out of play to me

Sorry, but that angle is in no way conclusive.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:31 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Looks out of play to me

can't tell from that angle if whole ball was out

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:32 pm

I actually thought Silva was miles offside before crossing the ball as the ball came off Sane when he was challenged

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:33 pm

Im sure somebody will find a better angle

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:37 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:I actually thought Silva was miles offside before crossing the ball as the ball came off Sane when he was challenged

Thats the most contentious part of it all in my opinion. I've not seen a replay that has a wide enough view to show all the players in one shot but reckon that could be the bit the linesman really screwed up

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:39 pm

Nobody to blame but ourselves. Should be well aware you can’t rely on officials without VAR, dreadful defending

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:41 pm

Stream I had it on showed view from behind the goalline. Looked more in than out but why was Cork in casting for the Easter play, cross scene? He was expecting the pen and he’s looking pleading to Moss.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:42 pm

Course you can there's green under the ball so unless it was mid air (was it?) then it has to be fully overthe line

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:44 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Course you can there's green under the ball so unless it was mid air (was it?) then it has to be fully overthe line

Not true. The part of the ball that is in contact with the ground does not account for the entire circumference of the ball.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:44 pm

Out of play or not / offside or not / our players not playing to the whistle - all irrelevant.
The game should have been stopped and a free kick to us and Sane booked for diving - he’s a f’in disgrace is that cheating c-unt but will just carry on doing it as no reason for him to stop.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:46 pm

I thought it was possibly out and probably offside. But Cork's reaction makes me think it was probably a pen too (he's protesting a but too much, too soon) and in any event the problem doesnt arise if either one of 6 outfield Burnley defenders does the basics, or if Hart doesnt needlessly take himself out of the game.

If ive a real gripe with the officials today, its for thr fsct Kompany wasn't sent off after 90 seconds. Hit Lennon with force, studs up, on the inside of the Knee. If its Mee on De Bruyne, Pep goes ballistic.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:55 pm

TVC15 wrote:Out of play or not / offside or not / our players not playing to the whistle - all irrelevant.
The game should have been stopped and a free kick to us and Sane booked for diving - he’s a f’in disgrace is that cheating c-unt but will just carry on doing it as no reason for him to stop.

Totally disagree, the way Sane goes down it doesnt look like a dive to me. Looks like he lost his footing or more likely got caught and lost his footing. Whether the contact was enough for a pen im not sure but you can go down without it being a foul or a dive

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:06 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Totally disagree, the way Sane goes down it doesnt look like a dive to me. Looks like he lost his footing or more likely got caught and lost his footing. Whether the contact was enough for a pen im not sure but you can go down without it being a foul or a dive

Aye cos Sane is such an honest player who never dives - he fully deserves your benefit of the doubt

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:07 pm

TVC15 wrote:Aye cos Sane is such an honest player who never dives - he fully deserves your benefit of the doubt

Totally irrelevant as always

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:07 pm

Arguing over if the ball was out , we lost 5-0

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:13 pm

TVC15 wrote:Aye cos Sane is such an honest player who never dives - he fully deserves your benefit of the doubt

Im not giving him any benefit of the doubt im talking about the replay I have seen. The other bit of your post is just stupid

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:24 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Im not giving him any benefit of the doubt im talking about the replay I have seen. The other bit of your post is just stupid

Why is it stupid to call out a player who has been shown to clearly dive / cheat several times in his career.

Just because you think he did not dive does not mean you are correct.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:29 pm

TVC15 wrote:Why is it stupid to call out a player who has been shown to clearly dive / cheat several times in his career.

Just because you think he did not dive does not mean you are correct.

So you'd be happy for refs to give decisions against Barnes just cos he dives and cheats a lot? Id rather decisions were made on the actual events and not on peoples opinion of someones character but if you dont then fair enough we just have to disagree

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:56 pm

Looks like our defenders claim they heard the whistle blow to me.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Replay I saw ball looks like it was in play. It may look out but all it needs to be still in play is the very edge of the ball to be over hanging the very edge of the byline. 99% of the ball can be over the line but still its in play (just look at corners nowadays to the naked eye the ball always looks outside the quadrant

Unless MOTD freeze frames it and gives us an angle like they do for the goal line decisions I dont think you can say either way. In the spirit of the game im sure the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team so fair goal and only ourselves to blame. Just thankful we've done it in a game we were gonna lose anyhow

Ffs hahaha I’m glad you’ve said that as I now understand why you post so much shite

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:06 pm

morpheus2 wrote:Looks like our defenders claim they heard the whistle blow to me.

I was very close. I thought the ref blew his whistle. He pointed to what I initially thought was the spot but now I think he gave a goal kick, thinking the ball was out of play

Looked like it didn’t cross the line to me but I thought he blew and I thought Silva was offside

And it killed the game. We were hanging in with occasional attacks that threatened

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:47 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:So you'd be happy for refs to give decisions against Barnes just cos he dives and cheats a lot? Id rather decisions were made on the actual events and not on peoples opinion of someones character but if you dont then fair enough we just have to disagree

Stop talking sh-it and trying to be clever. I never said that.
I think he dived today - just like he has dived and cheated many times before. Is that ok with you ?

T-it

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:52 pm

TVC15 wrote:Stop talking sh-it and trying to be clever. I never said that.
I think he dived today - just like he has dived and cheated many times before. Is that ok with you ?

T-it

Yes thats fine and I think he didnt. It was you who made stuff up about me giving him the benefit of the doubt and bringing his reputation as a cheat into the discussion.
You think he dived and as I originally said based on what ive seen I dont think he did. You could have just left it at that in the first place

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:02 pm

If I want to bring in his reputation as a cheat into the discussion I will - for someone who posts so much f’in sh-ite on this board you are hardly in a position to tell people what they should post.

The guy is a cheat and he should have been sent off when he had a tantrum and swiped out at Lowton - that should have been his second booking.

As for bringing Barnes into the debate and calling him a diver and a cheat as you have done - when as he ever dived and tried to get a penalty. When has he actually ever dived outside the area ?
Feel free to post the footage to substantiate why you are slagging off one of the players for the team you support

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:12 pm

If you gave the folk of Shameless countless millions they would still be ****. City are the same amazing players countless brass but still cheat.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:12 pm

Well there you go chaps

That critical 2nd goal was a diving, offside, out of play goal that could have been stopped at any point in those three instances, but wasnt

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:19 pm

Yes those in denial earlier, insisting on blaming our lads, should bow their heads and be quiet for a day.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:30 pm

Just seen it again. Joke of a goal that killed off any chance we had of getting anything from the game.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:30 pm

Wish they would have analysed Sane’s dive more. Why did he go down like that if he was not caught ?
I am assuming he was not caught as they would have shown that and said it should have been a penalty - kind of justifying the second mistake (or just rewards etc)

Pretty fair analysis on MOTD and not even a debate as to whether the goal should have stood or not - they all agreed it should not.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:32 pm

How asleep was the linesman (Hart said in the linesmans apology ) to have missed Silva going off the pitch and coming back on 5 yards offside and the ball being half a yard out of play

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:49 pm

IanMcL wrote:Yes those in denial earlier, insisting on blaming our lads, should bow their heads and be quiet for a day.

But, of course, they won't be.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:46 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:How asleep was the linesman (Hart said in the linesmans apology ) to have missed Silva going off the pitch and coming back on 5 yards offside and the ball being half a yard out of play

It is as bad a decision as I've seen from an assistant all season because it really isn't close. And if he really has told Joe Hart that he's switched off, that's absolutely ridiculous. And in any case, the game should have been stopped for the dive.