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Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:37 pm

Well, they finally made it to the World Series, this time actually before Christmas. I used to like it in the old days when just the top team in each league went straight to the "Fall Classic", without any intermediate stops in between. Of course, that was before interleague play, and before the owners realized that they could make boatloads of money by dragging things out as long as possible. The weather won't be a problem in LA, but to say that it might be a little cool in Beantown might be an understatement. Apparently this is the first time these two historic franchises have met in the finals for over 100 years. Boston's going for it's 4th championship since 2004, while the hated Dodgers haven't won it for a while. (I say hated because I'm a Giants fan.) I wonder if Macca will show up live at the park again this year. He's quite a fan.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by piston broke » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:06 pm

Red Sox fan here. Been up overnight for the ALDS & ALCS games. I was hoping it would be the Brewers but they didn’t turn up for that 7th game.

Going to miss games 3-5 as I’m on for Chelsea and travelling makes watching impossible. I’ll record them and hope to avoid the scores.

I was wondering if Oshkoshclaret was into the Brewers. He’s fairly local to them and the Green Bay Packers.
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by edison » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:44 pm

I'd rather the Red Sox won cause I don't like the Dodgers very much - that and they probably deserve it based on their season

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:28 am

Brewers blew it in Game 4 (the one that went 13 innings and ended up 2-1). In a battle of the bullpens, Craig Counsell left his man in too long. They say the most important thing a manager does is manipulate his bullpen. Counsell was doing all kinds of weird stuff that I've never seen done before. I think everyone saw his guy was tiring, except him. When your pen was as deep as his, it's criminal not to get the best out of them. And the last time the Sox played the Dodgers/Robins in the Series, Babe Ruth was PITCHING for them.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by califclaret » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:03 am

Have to root for the dodgers, not easy supporting Boston in Dodger territory.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 am

I'm an Indians fan so see it as neutral, but Boston have had a great season so I'll be hoping they win.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:47 am

An Indians fan on this site! OMG! Never thought I would live to see the day. I once saw a game in the old Municipal Stadium where the announced "crowd" was just over 4,000. This was in August, not the last week of September. In a stadium that held well over 80,000. Ever seen the movie "Major League"? It was loosely bass on the Indians of those days.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:49 am

And welcome back, califclaret. I've missed you, friend.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Lord_Bob » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:02 am

"Municipal Stadium"

The mistake by the Lake - awesome place!!

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:59 am

Well. That was disappointing :(

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Tribesmen » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:08 am

Good win for the Red Socks as they go one up .
Again will not get to see any of this but I would hope the red socks win it , feck LA .

Ohhhh I am a As fan and have been for the last 30 years .

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:42 am

ontario claret wrote:An Indians fan on this site! OMG! Never thought I would live to see the day. I once saw a game in the old Municipal Stadium where the announced "crowd" was just over 4,000. This was in August, not the last week of September. In a stadium that held well over 80,000. Ever seen the movie "Major League"? It was loosely bass on the Indians of those days.
Major League was why I started following the Indians. They seemed to have a lot in common with little old Burnley.
I can never work out whether their league is easier or harder than the rest, because even though they win it, it always seems to be closer, with the winners having a poorer season than the winners in other leagues.
Disappointed this year. Seemed to take the foot off the gas once the league was won, and never got any form back. Post season was a disaster.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by piston broke » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:39 am

Some of the pitch calls from the plate umpire are dubious, both ways. Is it time for technology to call the pitch?
Happy with the win. Unhappy with Sox pitchers getting 0-2 or 1-2 up and then allowing them on base. Sox keep on hitting though.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by edison » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:54 am

piston broke wrote:Is it time for technology to call the pitch?.
No
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by BurningBeard » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:06 am

Got to agree with Edison here although I did read the strike zone was miniscule. Only saw bottom 8 / top 9 but was a good win for the Sox and Kimbrel looked like Kimbrel again which was a relief (pun intended) after tipping his pitches. Hopefully Price can pitch another gem tonight as he did against the Astros and the batters stay hot.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by edison » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:18 am

Once you know the strike zone is miniscule, you just deal with it - although tough for pitchers. Like refs not giving certain fouls that others might give. It won't stop fans complaining the entire game. Sox could sweep
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by BurningBeard » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:34 am

Agreed, it's all about consistent application.

Sox could well sweep, I think the Dodgers need to win tonight to have a chance. The Red Sox have been lights out on the road in the post season so far and their inter-league record has been bananas for years.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:55 pm

It's Sox, not Socks. Boston Red Sox. Chicago White Sox. Utica Blue Sox. (look that last one up.) Strike zones are like referee's calls in rugby. It's all in the mind of the arbiter, just like rugby referees are the sole judge of fact and law. If batters were allowed to argue balls and strikes, the game would last all night.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:59 pm

In my fantasy baseball league, one owner called his team "The Joy of Sox". Very funny. Mine is "Phegley's Phlegm", which refers to a certain obscure catcher that I have on my roster and the amount of spitting that baseball players do, while using many of the same letters.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:04 pm

Going to see the Indians in the '80s was a lot like going to see Port Vale.
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:25 am

2-0 now. Dodgers can throw in the towel any time now. LA has been outplayed and outmanaged. For the sake of their personal dignities, they should just quit.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by piston broke » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:27 am

They looked broken as the cameras scanned around their dugout during their last two innings. I was hoping Eovaldi would pitch game 3 but Cora has found a spot for him before Kimbrel closes and it’s working to perfection. Hitting and running is working a treat.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by BurningBeard » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:03 am

ontario claret wrote:2-0 now. Dodgers can throw in the towel any time now. LA has been outplayed and outmanaged. For the sake of their personal dignities, they should just quit.
Because there''s always more dignity in giving up. The Sox showed in '04 that nothing's impossible but I really can't see them losing 4 of the next 5 games.

I can see Eovaldi starting game 4 given he's only pitched 2 efficient innings out of the pen but it might be a short start with E-Rod and (hopefully not) Pomeranz available. I would have included Steven Wright on the roster but who am I to second guess the guy who's won 117 games this season.
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by exilecanada » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:46 pm

Lord_Bob wrote:"Municipal Stadium"

The mistake by the Lake - awesome place!!


Old Exhibition Stadium in Toronto had the same moniker.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by exilecanada » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:57 pm

piston broke wrote: Is it time for technology to call the pitch?

Absolutely not! As long as each umpire is consistent with his strike zone, it’s up to the pitchers and batters to adapt. Baseball’s steeped in history, lets keep it that way!

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by exilecanada » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:18 pm

ontario claret wrote:An Indians fan on this site! OMG! Never thought I would live to see the day. I once saw a game in the old Municipal Stadium where the announced "crowd" was just over 4,000. This was in August, not the last week of September. In a stadium that held well over 80,000. Ever seen the movie "Major League"? It was loosely bass on the Indians of those days.


I’m an Indians fan as well. Mainly because Edwin Encarnacion, along with his parrot, made his way to Cleveland from Toronto. Mark Shapiro, current Blue Jays GM, played a major role in rebuilding the Indians organization from the ground up. Hopefully he can do the same in Toronto, he’s certainly done a good job in tearing the Blue Jays down!

The city of Cleveland used to be a total mess, high crime rate, lots of slums etc. I believe a number of NFL, MLB players had a clause in their contracts stating they couldn’t be traded to Cleveland. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame possibly started the revitalization in the downtown core, there’s also a good Science Centre nearby. There used to be an Indy car race held at the nearby airport, one of the better races too watch.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by BurningBeard » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:41 pm

People in Canada seem to talk to themselves a lot. Is it due to low population density?

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:37 am

In a word-yes. My ancestors on my father's side came from near Alston-on-Moor in 1824. The land had been cleared, and the road grid set out, but very little else. Canadians roads are much like Roman roads. Arrow straight, even many of the provincial highways. Concession roads (those are the east-west ones) 1-1/2 miles apart, side roads (north-south) 3/4 miles apart. You were assigned a 40 acre plot, and left on your own. If you worked hard, you survived. If you didn't, well, you probably returned home. I guess my great-great grandfather worked hard, because he acquired his neighbour's properties on either side. His son married an Irish lass, Naomi Bray, from next door, and together they raised 12 children. (Long snowbound winters helped increase the population.) Then the chance to buy a 200 acre property in Brooklin arose, and the family moved to the new metropolis, population 500. Great grandfather, John, was quite a guy, apparently. Kept the old farm for summer grazing, while rotating crops on the new one, milking cattle and breeding Clydesdale horses that won prizes at the Ontario Winter Fair in Toronto. In between siring 12 kids, he found time to be the chief deacon in his Methodist Church, reeve of Whitby Township, and warden of Ontario County. Busy guy. Oh, and the annual Brooklin Fair was held on his farm. I think it was a measure of the respect that people had for him, more than anything else, that led him to his various roles. But I think but it was his willingness to work hard on a largely vacant land that created his good name. People in those days appreciated their fellow immigrants. Maybe that is what is missing when I see members on this site attacking each other.
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:51 am

Back to baseball. The top 3 home run hitters on the Dodgers are all left-handed. The Bosox 2 best starting pitchers,Price and Sale, are left-handed. The splits between lefty-lefty are much greater than righty-righty. The emergence of Eovaldi as a lights out setup man, the rebound of Kimbrel, and the general excellence of Boston batters and fielders, makes this almost a lead pipe cinch at this point. Plan the parade route now. Are the bookies still taking action? I doubt if they are.
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:21 am

There's still time.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by califclaret » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:52 pm

Looks like Dodger weather for todays game, will be too hot for Boston, Expecting Dodger wins from next games.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:18 am

Believe it or not, it gets very hot in Boston in the summer as well. It was 100F. one day in August this year. Cold weather affects warm weather teams much more than "cold" weather teams. Besides, most of the players on both teams are from either California or somewhere in the Caribbean.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:19 am

I believe it. The north eastern US has extreme winters and summers because they don't have the kind of benefits we have from the Gulf stream that we do. We're at a higher latitude but have more temperate climate because of it.

Anyway. top of the 15th, 2 runners.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by piston broke » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:35 am

Longest World Series game ever. No spoiler for who won but you’ll need a couple of matchsticks to stay with it.

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Post by thatdberight » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:41 am

Seven and odd hours. They managed to get bat on ball a total of 18 times. What entertainment! No wonder baseball is effectively nothing but a background activity while you get drunk.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by piston broke » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:38 pm

thatdberight wrote: They managed to get bat on ball a total of 18 times.
Some quality pitching as far as I was able to stay with it.(12 innings)
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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:07 pm

To me, the story of the night was the performance of Eovaldi. I keep telling you lot that you have to watch the pitcher, not the batter. Once you're able to discern the various pitches, it's much more enjoyable. Cora decided to roll the dice early in order to save his staff for tonight. It didn't work, so he had no choice but to leave Eovaldi in until his arm fell off. Muncy finally caught up to one of his high fastballs. It was inevitable. Both bullpens are now gassed, so there should be a lot more runs scored tonight. (Oh, and the other key play was Vazquez being able to advance the runners in the 14th. Either push it further so that Turner has to come off the bag to play it, or push it up the first base line. Such details are for the advanced student. Stick with it, you'll learn.)

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:08 pm

Has game 3 finished yet?

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:10 pm

thatdberight wrote:Seven and odd hours. They managed to get bat on ball a total of 18 times. What entertainment! No wonder baseball is effectively nothing but a background activity while you get drunk.
A "hit" and "bat on ball" are not the same thing. But thanks for your uninformed contribution.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:18 pm

People raised on cricket expect the ball to be put into play much more often than baseball. Will never happen. I don't know the dimensions of a regulation cricket field, but from the pitcher's rubber to home plate is 60' 6". After the pitcher comes off the rubber and releases the ball, it's a lot less than that. Some pitchers throw upwards to 100 mph. Add that it's a round bat hitting a round ball, you can see how difficult it is. Oh, and some catchers are better at calling pitch sequences than others. It's all a very complicated formula, and goes into the enjoyment of the game. Keep working at it and you'll see why baseball is the best sport of all.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:23 pm

IT, the game ended at 3:30 in the morning (my time), when Max Muncy finally caught up to a Nathan Eovaldi high fastball. Didn't go out by much, just enough. Half of the tossers in the expensive seats had gone home by then, but the real fans in the bleachers were still there to fight over the souvenir ball.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:28 pm

And, of course, it was Vazquez NOT being able to advance the runners.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:30 pm

ontario claret wrote:IT, the game ended at 3:30 in the morning (my time), when Max Muncy finally caught up to a Nathan Eovaldi high fastball. Didn't go out by much, just enough. Half of the tossers in the expensive seats had gone home by then, but the real fans in the bleachers were still there to fight over the souvenir ball.

I woke up at 6 and caught the last few innings. I saw whats-his-face (i don't know any of their names) hit a ball just foul that would have been a walk-off homer.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by thatdberight » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:A "hit" and "bat on ball" are not the same thing. But thanks for your uninformed contribution.
Having been to both major and minor league matches, I'm well aware thanks of both fouls and how dull a sport it is. But thanks for being unusually careful with the facts. If you can just take that attitude back to your main posting subjects, that'll be great.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:21 pm

thatdberight wrote:Having been to both major and minor league matches, I'm well aware thanks of both fouls and how dull a sport it is. But thanks for being unusually careful with the facts. If you can just take that attitude back to your main posting subjects, that'll be great.
I love this board. Benny blocks me because i'm too careful with facts (i'm not kidding), and here you are claiming that being careful with facts is "unusual" for me.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by piston broke » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:57 am

Only 9 innings tonight but another match up that needs watching until the end. Great stuff.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by CaptJohn » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:52 pm

I watched until the bottom of the 5th last night when it was still 0-0 and fell asleep. Very surprised to see the score this morning. Come on the Red Sox.
I would post a photo of me at Fenway but I'm not sure how to do it :oops:

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:58 pm

CaptJohn wrote:I watched until the bottom of the 5th last night when it was still 0-0 and fell asleep. Very surprised to see the score this morning. Come on the Red Sox.
I would post a photo of me at Fenway but I'm not sure how to do it :oops:
upload it to an image sharing website. copy the URL of the image

post this:
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remove the asterisks

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by ontario claret » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:14 pm

Another game, another mashup by Dave Roberts, the Dodger manager. He couldn't have handled his bullpen any worse if he tried. Jansen is supposed to be their closer, instead, he brought him in in the 8th. Then he went to Ryan Madsen, who, at age 38, has had multiple arm injuries, and whose fastball tops out around 85 mph. A recipe for disaster. Sure enough, it happened. Those of you who wanted offense got it in the late innings from the Bosox. Tonight will probably be a 2-1 game, great for us "experts", but expect both starters to go into the ninth. Here's your homework. Try to identify the types of pitches being thrown before the announcers tell you. It will help your enjoyment of the game greatly.

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Re: Red Sox vs. Dodgers

Post by piston broke » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:19 pm

ontario claret wrote: Try to identify the types of pitches being thrown before the announcers tell you. It will help your enjoyment of the game greatly.
If you could tell me why a change up slows down it would be a start?

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