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January transfer window

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:59 pm

what Players should/could we be targeting.

I’ve tried to be as realistic as possible in my selections:

Mason Mount (15mil) probably the most unrealistic, given he is playing extremely well and will most likely be gaining attention from other clubs IE James Maddison last season.

Loftus cheek - no idea how much we would have to play. But isn’t getting a sniff at Chelsea and if he wants to carry on getting game time with England he needs to be playing.
Loan or fee he would be fantastic.

Alioski - cheaper option from the championship. Hasn’t set the world alight but would do a job.

Barnes - this lad has really impressed me every time I have seen him. I know he is on loan from Leicester, but I think he is exactly what we are missing. Speed, power, creativity. Would probably command a 20m fee even though he hasn’t started a premier league game.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by piston broke » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:05 pm

Leicester won't be selling Barnes and Chelsea won't be selling Mount. If Loftus-Cheek leaves it will be back to Crystal Palace and Alioski is a good Championship player.
So none of the above for me.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by mkmel » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:08 pm

Harvey Barnes is on a season long loan at West Broom so don't know if he can be recalled by Leicester and sold or loaned out to another club
And Leicester may want to keep him after his stint with the Baggies
Barnes did well when he was on loan at that horrible club down the road from me
As for Loftus Cheek I don't think Chelsea would sell him but I would be delighted if we got him in on loan

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:08 pm

I think we're ok for wingers so Dawson, Jay Rod, Lansbury and maybe a keeper like Pickford if we can get him

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Bosscat » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:10 pm

Murphy at Cardiff.....

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Re: January transfer window

Post by CombatClaret » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:17 pm

If the late deadline day rumour was true I could see us back in for James Ward Prouse.
Only 97 minutes played, I'd want a move if I was him. While we are ok for set pieces once Brady and Defour are back he seems to fit the Dyche mold, still only 23 (24 in Nov)

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:18 pm

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Re: January transfer window

Post by colne-claret » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:24 pm

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Re: January transfer window

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:25 pm

I don't think we'll bring anybody in assuming no more nasty injuries.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:27 pm

A new improved Joey Barton type.Our gutless lack of challenge v City shows we need a ball winning cm

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Re: January transfer window

Post by CombatClaret » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:27 pm

If Newcastle look down I'd be waving cash under Mike Ashley's nose for Robert Kenedy.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:36 pm

Ship a few out, maybe first?

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Re: January transfer window

Post by piston broke » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:40 pm

CombatClaret wrote:If Newcastle look down I'd be waving cash under Mike Ashley's nose for Robert Kenedy.
He's a Chelsea player.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by CombatClaret » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:42 pm

piston broke wrote:He's a Chelsea player.
I thought he'd signed, my mistake.

We can butter up Chelsea in the hope of getting one of Kenedy, Loftus-Cheek or Drinkwater on loan then.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by piston broke » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:46 pm

CombatClaret wrote:I thought he'd signed, my mistake.

We can butter up Chelsea in the hope of getting one of Kenedy, Loftus-Cheek or Drinkwater on loan then.
As long as we don't butter them up with 3 points on Sunday.
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Re: January transfer window

Post by claretspice » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:55 pm

Start with a left back, first abd foremost.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by BurnleyPaul » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:58 pm

We need to think about bringing in 3-4 players and shipping a couple out afterwards.

James Ward-Prowse would give us extra class in midfield and another wide option
Aron Gunnarsson would give us extra "bite" in midfield
Jay Rod would give us a different type of attaking player

Am sure that there are other names too that people can come up with. I think we also need a new LB too as Ward's days with us are numbered. God knows who though....

As for shipping out- I think that there's several who need to be moved on if we're to push the squad forward. Am sure that Dyche will have some ideas on this front too as he knows that we can't stay stationary and that we need to keep developing the squad.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Spike » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:21 pm

Ward-Prowse and Jay Rod would do nicely

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Re: January transfer window

Post by burnleymik » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:25 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I don't think we'll bring anybody in assuming no more nasty injuries.

Unfortunately, I think this is probably true.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:29 pm

We need to start creating opportunities and taking shots!

Same as what we have needed for a long time. Unfortunately we will be lucky to get one or two never mind the 3 or 4 or so we need!

Fast, tricky winger
Creative midfielder
Dominant midfielder

Are all imperative.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by DCWat » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:00 am

Add a full back and a striker to that, CC and I wouldn’t disagree. I’d assume though that if we were to bring a few more offensive players in that they’d need to be capable of filling a couple of positions, therefore reducing the numbers needed.

I’m hoping that with Defour back and Brady close, we may start to see more of Vydra. With those two hopefully providing a bit more class on the ball, it could really help Vydra to bed in.

A midfield and attack of

JBG Cork Defour Brady
Vydra
Vokes

Should hopefully provide a bit more creativity.
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Re: January transfer window

Post by mkmel » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:10 am

Agree 100% with DcWat re positions we need filling

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Re: January transfer window

Post by beddie » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:40 am

A fast aggressive ball winning midfielder and a forward that knows where the net is (a new Charlie Austin). Defour is an excellent player and only just coming back from injury, my only concern with him is his age (30) and he's not the quickest. With our budget it's going to be difficult but hopefully we might have more options this time.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by jojomk1 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:49 am

beddie wrote:A fast aggressive ball winning midfielder and a forward that knows where the net is (a new Charlie Austin). Defour is an excellent player and only just coming back from injury, my only concern with him is his age (30) and he's not the quickest. With our budget it's going to be difficult but hopefully we might have more options this time.
With our budget it wouldn't be that difficult if we had a decent recruitment team

One of each across midfield, left back and striker

Our "feeder" club Brentford have a few who look capable of developing into good young players
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Re: January transfer window

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:09 am

CombatClaret wrote:I thought he'd signed, my mistake.

We can butter up Chelsea in the hope of getting one of Kenedy, Loftus-Cheek or Drinkwater on loan then.
Considering our loan signings play the equivalent of 35 seconds per game, why would they bother?

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Ric_C » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:10 am

Although a pacy winger would be nice, I'm wondering whether this type of player fits into our system?

I don't think it's any coincidence that our "framework" has looked shoddy this season, and I think the main reason for that is Aaron Lennon. I just don't think he is very good at covering his position. I think if we'd played most of the season with Brady or (dare I say it) Arfield, then we would have been a lot more solid and shipped less goals.

I think this was SD's reason for pursuing Clucas, so he could play the Arfield role. Lennon is good as an option off the bench for the last 30 when we need to stretch the game, but nothing more.

I would ideally like us to pursue a wide player who is a good technician, and can understand the role that is needed. An upgrade on Arfield if you will.

Players like Snodgrass, Clucas, Ward Prowse etc or someone left field from abroad.

Also we need a new long term left back and a strong centre mid if possible.

The striker situation is a strange one, if we get a new striker, then we would have to probably lose one of our 4 strikers, but these type of players don't exactly grow on trees, maybe we'll go back in for Jay Rod?

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Firthy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:15 am

FactualFrank wrote:I don't think we'll bring anybody in assuming no more nasty injuries.
And if that were to happen it would be the start of SD's downfall. There will always be injured players out and our squad is short on quality cover. Ward-Prowse, Jay Rod and a pacey winger would do :roll: :D

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Re: January transfer window

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:22 am

Are we all getting on the Rodriguez ****-a-thon bandwagon already?
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Re: January transfer window

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:37 am

claretspice wrote:Start with a left back, first abd foremost.
Not sure this will be a priority. Ward will be back in action.
Taylor takes a bit of stick on here, but unfairly IMO. I watched how we dealt (or didn't) with Mahrez, Taylor was narrow when Man City started attacking, presumably expecting Lennon to be picking up the winger in the wide position. Then when Mahrez attacked into the penalty area Taylor kept showing him the byline, surely both these defensive tactics are following instructions?

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:57 am

Ric_C wrote:Although a pacy winger would be nice, I'm wondering whether this type of player fits into our system?

I don't think it's any coincidence that our "framework" has looked shoddy this season, and I think the main reason for that is Aaron Lennon. I just don't think he is very good at covering his position. I think if we'd played most of the season with Brady or (dare I say it) Arfield, then we would have been a lot more solid and shipped less goals.

I think this was SD's reason for pursuing Clucas, so he could play the Arfield role. Lennon is good as an option off the bench for the last 30 when we need to stretch the game, but nothing more.

I would ideally like us to pursue a wide player who is a good technician, and can understand the role that is needed. An upgrade on Arfield if you will.

Players like Snodgrass, Clucas, Ward Prowse etc or someone left field from abroad.

Also we need a new long term left back and a strong centre mid if possible.

The striker situation is a strange one, if we get a new striker, then we would have to probably lose one of our 4 strikers, but these type of players don't exactly grow on trees, maybe we'll go back in for Jay Rod?
Don’t you think both Brady and Gudmundsson are perfect for those wide technicians who know their position well. Ward prowse would be good though as cover and he can cover CM as well. He could even play the CAM very effectively as well. He’d be like a really improved arfield.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by ClaretAL » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:14 am

claretspice wrote:Start with a left back, first abd foremost.
May be Gibbson will step up to this plate.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by SGr » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:42 am

Ric_C wrote:Although a pacy winger would be nice, I'm wondering whether this type of player fits into our system?
In 2018 if pace doesn’t fit the system then it’s the system that’s at fault.
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Re: January transfer window

Post by SGr » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:44 am

Not Jay Rodriguez. Or Sam Clucas. Or Craig Dawson. Or virtually any of the players we pursued in summer.
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Re: January transfer window

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:02 am

A good clear out and a quality centre forward , a ball winning midfielder would be good but I think now Vork has Defour back he can concentrate a bit more on that .

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Re: January transfer window

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:03 am

Not a chance WBA will let Rodriguez go with them in with a shout of promotion. Seeing as we've only got 5 first team keepers we'd better sign another just to be on the safe side.
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Re: January transfer window

Post by Blackrod » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:15 am

Left back
CM
Striker

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Re: January transfer window

Post by BOYSIE31 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:18 am

claretspice wrote:Start with a left back, first abd foremost.
After last few games i would say 2 full backs

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Re: January transfer window

Post by BOYSIE31 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:58 am

BurnleyPaul wrote:We need to think about bringing in 3-4 players and shipping a couple out afterwards.

James Ward-Prowse would give us extra class in midfield and another wide option
Aron Gunnarsson would give us extra "bite" in midfield
Jay Rod would give us a different type of attaking player

Am sure that there are other names too that people can come up with. I think we also need a new LB too as Ward's days with us are numbered. God knows who though....

As for shipping out- I think that there's several who need to be moved on if we're to push the squad forward. Am sure that Dyche will have some ideas on this front too as he knows that we can't stay stationary and that we need to keep developing the squad.
Why not we have done just this for the last few windows - dont expect anything different

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Ric_C » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:13 pm

SGr wrote:In 2018 if pace doesn’t fit the system then it’s the system that’s at fault.
Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of emphasis on Winger rather than pace.

Of course pace would be an asset and preferable, but a traditional winger such as Lennon is less effective in this system.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Ric_C » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:15 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:Don’t you think both Brady and Gudmundsson are perfect for those wide technicians who know their position well. Ward prowse would be good though as cover and he can cover CM as well. He could even play the CAM very effectively as well. He’d be like a really improved arfield.
Yep i agree, JBG and Brady do fit the system well, hence why we've missed Brady so much. But we do need depth. Lennon isn't the answer. McNeil could be, but it's unfair to throw him in at the deep end.

In hindsight, not keeping Arfield for another season was a mistake, but I'm not sure how much in our hands that was.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by bfc-sparta » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:19 pm

Aaron mooy
Josh Murphy
Jay rod
MacKay Stephens
Ward prowse

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Andingle » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:36 pm

What about Usain Bolt, could try him goal as he could sprint up field to be on the end of his own goal kick and that will fit into the framework.
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Re: January transfer window

Post by cockneyclaret » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:45 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Are we all getting on the Rodriguez ****-a-thon bandwagon already?
To see him even mentioned still is just unbelievable
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Re: January transfer window

Post by beddie » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:51 pm

Come on let's put the Jay Rod thread to bed. The only way West Brom would sell is for silly money. I would definitely look at Aaron Mooy.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Papabendi » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:08 pm

and why would Huddersfield sell a key player when in a relegation fight, other than for silly money?
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Re: January transfer window

Post by Papabendi » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:10 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Not a chance WBA will let Rodriguez go with them in with a shout of promotion. Seeing as we've only got 5 first team keepers we'd better sign another just to be on the safe side.
Surely the signing of Vydra ended any interest in Rodriguez.

We are short of a front line striker however - one or two of Vokes, Barnes and Wood can go for me for a significant upgrade (likely to be in the £25m range, unless we can get clever in Europe).

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:19 pm

We may aswell leave strikers off the pitch with the severe lack of scraps they are left to feed off.

We have decent strikers already at the club, no need for another.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by claretspice » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:21 pm

ClaretAL wrote:May be Gibbson will step up to this plate.
Certainly a good stop gap option and if he's fit, I'd be tempted to put Gibson there on Sunday instead of Taylor (who I think has had a tough few weeks). But Gibson is really a centre back and whilst he started at left back and can undoubtedly do a job there, I'm sure he ultimately sees himself as a centre back. Taylor doesn't convince me at all defensively, and he's not yet shown he has the athleticism to compensate for that with attacking impetus.

Another midfield option certainly makes sense and you can absolutely see the argument for someone like Ward Prowse - but in truth, whilst Defour is fit, we're not going to making regular use of that player and once Brady is fit. Whether we need another wide player depends on whether young McNeil is seen as being a real option to play in the second half of the season.

Unless Vydra has gone out of favour already, I think we're fine up front. Vokes, Barnes and Wood all have perfectly respectable goalscoring records at this level.
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Re: January transfer window

Post by Papabendi » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:25 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:We may aswell leave strikers off the pitch with the severe lack of scraps they are left to feed off.

We have decent strikers already at the club, no need for another.


top level strikers help create as well as score - that's the difference.

We have two woefully out of form (Barnes and Wood) and one who if we are being honest isn't quite good enough for week in week out (Vokes). Plus another in Vydra who looks like being the next tampax Mumby.

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Re: January transfer window

Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:32 pm

Agree with those that suggest a new left-back should be prioritised.

One player I know that has impressed Dyche is George Friend at 'Boro. Possibly at his peak at the moment, although not exactly one for the future.

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