Vokes to sign new deal?

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:13 pm

The mail reporting Sam to sign 3 Yr deal

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:31 pm

Many on here thought he’d be the one to go last Summer.
Barnes and Wood have been so poor this season thank goodness he didn’t.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:34 pm

Wonderful news.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:36 pm

Two or three times over the last seasons we think we've out grown him only fall back on him. Proper grafter.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:37 pm

Another player sticking the boot into Dyche by signing a new deal.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:42 pm

He’s started the season very well and I never wanted him to go when some were calling for him to go, l bet he’s dead chuffed as well, what he lacks on the ground he more than makes up in the air given the right support.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:42 pm

I suspect this will split opinion. For me, his best days are behind him. Likeable fellow but if this is true then it doesn't say too much about those vying with him for a starting place.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:42 pm

Of the strikers we've had over the past decade or so, I think he's the best header of the ball
of those. Wonderful precision into the corner of the net, something he keeps demonstrating
time and again. Long may it continue. Pleased with this news.
UTC

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:01 pm

Outstanding player and outstanding news.

Strong, physical, very good in the air (at both ends) and not bad on the deck.Committed to the cause. And has a knack for vital goals. Reliable. Is also a patient lad, but has outlived every striker thats been here in his time. The only thing he lacks is pace.

Probably one of the best value players we have ever had. And I bet all of his strike partners agree!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:07 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:I suspect this will split opinion. For me, his best days are behind him. Likeable fellow but if this is true then it doesn't say too much about those vying with him for a starting place.

What do you Base this on exactly?

He's been our best centre forward by a mile this season and on his way to scoring 10 league goals.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:09 pm

Delighted if this is true. Although I don’t think he’s our best player, he is easily my favourite. A true club legend!

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:10 pm

Whats this nonsense about Barnes being poor?He works his socks off every game and got two good goals v Bournemouth

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:13 pm

Sorry but I can’t contain my indifference about this. If Sam Vokes is going to be one of our main 3 or 4 strikers for the next 3 seasons then we are heading in one direction.

Great servant good honest pro but where is the progression?

clitheroeclaret2 · Post by **clitheroeclaret2** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:17 pm

"heading in one direction"

Bit like Sam, usually over the bar!
The number of relatively easy headers he skies, v Man city for example. Free header, wide.
Having said that still a fan of his

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:18 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Sorry but I can’t contain my indifference about this. If Sam Vokes is going to be one of our main 3 or 4 strikers for the next 3 seasons then we are heading in one direction.

Great servant good honest pro but where is the progression?

While we shop in the championship we won't be able to replace him with better.
Wood, yon chap from Huddersfield and Vydra to a lesser degree prove this.
They were the best strikers in there when we signed them.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:26 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Whats this nonsense about Barnes being poor?He works his socks off every game and got two good goals v Bournemouth

I am a fan of Barnes and he was absolutely excellent in the limited amount of time he was on the field V Bournemouth, but he really hasn't been at his best this season overall and seems to be lacking something at the moment.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:27 pm

As popular as Barnes and Vokes if we keep offering them contract extensions then sorry but we aren't progressing. I'd be happy to lose Barnes but don't think there's any chance of that. So it looks like our current options are what we're stuck with for the foreseeable future.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:29 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Whats this nonsense about Barnes being poor?He works his socks off every game and got two good goals v Bournemouth

Two goals against a team that were throwing everything forward and the game was already over. Apart from that he's been awful this season, not even making a nuisance of himself, which lets face it is basically all he offers.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:36 pm

Inform Vokes and Vydra would be great. However, as we are trying to progress in the football department Vydra and wood together gives us good pace and movement as well as being good on the ground. Vokes playing usually means long balls for Vokes to head back to Vydra/midfielders.

Wood in front of Brady, Vydra and JBG would be a great front line.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:37 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:He's been our best centre forward by a mile this season and on his way to scoring 10 league goals.

Yep as far as our strikers go he's been our tallest dwarf this season

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:41 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Two goals against a team that were throwing everything forward and the game was already over. Apart from that he's been awful this season, not even making a nuisance of himself, which lets face it is basically all he offers.

Players who scored more than Ashley Barnes last season.

1 Mohamed Salah Liverpool 32
2 Harry Kane Tottenham 30
3 Sergio Aguero Manchester City 21
4 Jamie Vardy Leicester City 20
5 Raheem Sterling Manchester City 18
6 Romelu Lukaku Manchester United 16
7 Roberto Firmino Liverpool 15
8 Alexandre Lacazette Arsenal 14
9 Gabriel Jesus Manchester City 13
=10 Eden Hazard Chelsea 12
=10 Glenn Murray Brighton & Hove Albion 12
=10 Son Heung-Min Tottenham 12
=10 Riyad Mahrez Leicester City 12
=14 Alvaro Morata Chelsea 11
=14 Marko Arnautovic West Ham 11
=16 Wayne Rooney Everton 10
=16 Luka Milivojevic Crystal Palace 10
=16 Sadio Mane Liverpool 10
=16 Christian Eriksen Tottenham 10
=16 Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang Arsenal 10
=16 Leroy Sane Manchester City 10
=16 Chris Wood Burnley 10

Buy one for 400,000.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:45 pm

Players he finished level with

=23 Anthony Martial Manchester United 9
=23 Alexis Sanchez Manchester United 9
=23 David Silva Manchester City 9
=23 Ashley Barnes Burnley 9
=23 Dele Alli Tottenham 9
=23 Wilfried Zaha Crystal Palace 9

So that's a £50,000,000 striker, a £500,000 per week 'world class' super star, two of the best midfielders in the country and Wilfried Zaha.

But he offers nothing. To Burnley. FFS.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:45 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Sorry but I can’t contain my indifference about this. If Sam Vokes is going to be one of our main 3 or 4 strikers for the next 3 seasons then we are heading in one direction.

Great servant good honest pro but where is the progression?

Glenn Murray is 35 and is banging them in at Prem Level. And Vokes is better at 29 than Murray was.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:45 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Players who scored more than Ashley Barnes last season.

1 Mohamed Salah Liverpool 32
2 Harry Kane Tottenham 30
3 Sergio Aguero Manchester City 21
4 Jamie Vardy Leicester City 20
5 Raheem Sterling Manchester City 18
6 Romelu Lukaku Manchester United 16
7 Roberto Firmino Liverpool 15
8 Alexandre Lacazette Arsenal 14
9 Gabriel Jesus Manchester City 13
=10 Eden Hazard Chelsea 12
=10 Glenn Murray Brighton & Hove Albion 12
=10 Son Heung-Min Tottenham 12
=10 Riyad Mahrez Leicester City 12
=14 Alvaro Morata Chelsea 11
=14 Marko Arnautovic West Ham 11
=16 Wayne Rooney Everton 10
=16 Luka Milivojevic Crystal Palace 10
=16 Sadio Mane Liverpool 10
=16 Christian Eriksen Tottenham 10
=16 Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang Arsenal 10
=16 Leroy Sane Manchester City 10
=16 Chris Wood Burnley 10

Buy one for 400,000.

That's exactly the point though we have millions of pounds in the bank now we don't need to be relying on good, honest pros who we payed 400 grand for.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:48 pm

jrgbfc wrote:That's exactly the point though we have millions of pounds in the bank now we don't need to be relying on good, honest pros who we payed 400 grand for.

The bottom of that list is Chris Wood who cost us £15,000,000.
Try and buy any of the other players on that list for treble that and you'd struggle. Glenn Murray aside.

That's how much a ten goal a season striker costs.
We've got one.
He cost 400,000.
Don't obsess about the money.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:48 pm

take this the right way, he's our best defender at set pieces when he plays

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:48 pm

His best days were in the Championship side with Ings - what a brilliant pairing they were

Have we progressed from there ?

Nothing against Sam at all, but it would appear not

Long live the Dyche "Hoof" ball

Only need Walters to be offered a new contract now

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:52 pm

jojomk1 wrote:His best days were in the Championship side with Ings - what a brilliant pairing they were

Yes they were

Have we progressed from there ?

Yes. In fact not only an entire division, but even into Europe.

Nothing against Sam at all, but it would appear not

Yet clearly we have, as evidenced above

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:55 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:The bottom of that list is Chris Wood who cost us £15,000,000.
Try and buy any of the other players on that list for treble that and you'd struggle. Glenn Murray aside.

That's how much a ten goal a season striker costs.
We've got one.
He cost 400,000.
Don't obsess about the money.

Not bothered what he cost, just don't rate him. Would he get a game at any other Premiership side apart from maybe Cardiff or Huddersfield? Don't think so.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:59 pm

jojomk1 wrote:His best days were in the Championship side with Ings - what a brilliant pairing they were

Have we progressed from there ?

Nothing against Sam at all, but it would appear not

Long live the Dyche "Hoof" ball

Only need Walters to be offered a new contract now

So you don't call finishing 7th progression?

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:05 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Not bothered what he cost, just don't rate him. Would he get a game at any other Premiership side apart from maybe Cardiff or Huddersfield? Don't think so.

But you should rate him....he cost us pence and he produces season on season. He's a one in four striker. That's great for a team like us.
What do other Premiership (sic) sides have to do with it?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:17 pm

Great news.

Excellent link player is Sam. And his record of a goal every 2.5 games in the Premier League (every 230 minutes of thereabouts) over the last 2 years puts him in seriously expensive company.

Clearly a lot on this thread. But the minute Burnley fans as a whole stop appreciating the likes of Vokes- players with a brilliant attitude, just enough ability to make it at the top flight and a desire to make every last drop of ability count, and whose stats go under the radar of bigger clubs- thats probably the minute we're finished as a top flight club.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:17 pm

From a business perspective, Vokes was potentially walking away for nothing in summer 2019. Suspect this has something to do with the new contract too..

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:23 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:But you should rate him....he cost us pence and he produces season on season. He's a one in four striker. That's great for a team like us.
What do other Premiership (sic) sides have to do with it?

Id go further- if you take Sam's minutes on the pitch, his goals since we last came up have come every 2.5 games. Its an outstandingly good ratio.

Our strikers aren't brilliant at this level- but they're very good when they're in form and fresh, which having the three of them allows us to exploit.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:28 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:But you should rate him....he cost us pence and he produces season on season. He's a one in four striker. That's great for a team like us.
What do other Premiership (sic) sides have to do with it?

I haven't really got a problem with Barnes or Vokes as squad players, but the fact that after 5 years of Premiership money they still seem to be our main strikers to me says we haven't progressed or our recruitment has been poor. Barnes may have got 10 league goals last season but he's unlikely to get anywhere near that ever again.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:34 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I haven't really got a problem with Barnes or Vokes as squad players, but the fact that after 5 years of Premiership money they still seem to be our main strikers to me says we haven't progressed or our recruitment has been poor. Barnes may have got 10 league goals last season but he's unlikely to get anywhere near that ever again.

How do you come to that conclusion about Barnes as a matter of interest.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:36 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Barnes may have got 10 league goals last season but he's unlikely to get anywhere near that ever again.

Well, he's got 2 so far in 9 matches - which equates to 8 in 36.

Let's see how he does against the bottom sides.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:39 pm

South West Claret. wrote:How do you come to that conclusion about Barnes as a matter of interest.

Because I don't think he's good enough to consistently score 10 goals a season at this level. Last season he had one of those seasons where everything he hit seemed to fly in.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:44 pm

Erm I’m not so sure we shall see.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:10 pm

jojomk1 wrote:His best days were in the Championship side with Ings - what a brilliant pairing they were

Have we progressed from there ?

Nothing against Sam at all, but it would appear not

Have we progressed? That's a question on a par with "will it go dark tonight".

But if you want an answer, then the answer is yes. We're in the Premier League now. That is progression from the Championship, because it's a higher league.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:12 pm

No ambition from the club, Palace and Bournemouth showed us how to do business by getting in proven 15 goal a season strikers in Defoe & Bentekkehehehehe

Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face.

Voksey.. Voksey, Voksey!!

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:41 pm

For me at the moment Vokes is our best striker. Would like to see Vydra given a decent run alongside him with Brady JBG and Defour behind supplying them think they could do us a very decent job.

Get that deal signed Sam.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:59 pm

A good 1/5 striker

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:45 am

Our strikers are superb if you look at their conversion rates - if we create more chances then there is no reason at all 4 can't get 10 + per season

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:08 am

seem to remember saying this earlier in the season but is still our best centre forward.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:44 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Our strikers are superb if you look at their conversion rates - if we create more chances then there is no reason at all 4 can't get 10 + per season

I assume you don't mean all in the same season?

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:33 am

Is this as insurance for disposing of Chris Wood in January?

Never mind the merits of their respective abilities, Vokes is a trier with a decent scoring rate. Wood is a fair weather player.

As regards investing in a top striker with a track record of goals, where do we find such a player? I struggle to think of such a player having been recruited by any of the bottom 14, although there have been many expensive failures.

If you want to rely on stats a 1 in 4 striker at our place is probably a 1 in 2 at a top 6 team given the amount of chances created by their respective teams. It is not the strikers lacking, we don't create enough chances.

If we created the chances we would be more exposed to conceding. Welcome to a real world dilemma that you don't get on FIFA

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:35 am

Is Wood really a Premiership player, i'm really not at all sure...would not be one bit surprised if we cut our losses and sold him. He seems totally lost, which is a real pity...thought he was a good fit.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:48 am

One thing to keep in mind with Wood - he's always been best with the ball on the ground. Yet all we seem to do is pump the ball long to him, which isn't his game. Get Defour firing on all cyclinders and he'll get more support.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:16 am

Wood needs to be in a team that plays football. He just looks completely hacked off to me with the way we play and having to feed off scraps constantly.