Dishonesty....cheating

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Dishonesty....cheating

Post by IanMcL » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:32 pm

Motd.

Palace. 2 penalties both wrong decisions. First was just a slip by the palace player, onto the Arsenal defender. 2nd was literally As he jumping on and off Xhaka's leg.

Arsenal...Lacazette just hand balled.

That's just the first match.

What makes it worse is the pundits saying it is expected to jump into a leg and get a pen.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:35 pm

Posted this in another thread but more relevant here:

Economists will tell you everything in life comes down to incentives

When it comes to the players behavior they are only doing what the game has increasingly incentivised them to do. The emphasis on getting a result at all costs with mulit-millions of pounds in the mix and importantly the rules having enough grey areas in them to allow the constant pushing the envelope.
We only see a yellow card for the most clear and obvious dives, hardly a deterrent. The risk/reward factor is totally skewed toward the benefits of diving and dishonesty. Even if a few are caught many more will not,risk a yellow for a potential 3 points? Yes please.
Even a two game ban, which has only been applied twice I believe is not being used enough to make it a deterrent.

It's the same reason why some investment bankers do crooked deals, because the likelihood of anything coming of it is very low but the reward is potentially huge.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Rick_Muller » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:35 pm

Yeah, I think we’re honest and not dirty enough if we want to stay at the top table - and it pains me to say it.

[EDIT - removed "too", thanks Ian]
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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Claret » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:39 pm

IanMcL wrote:Motd.

Palace. 2 penalties both wrong decisions. First was just a slip by the palace player, onto the Arsenal defender. 2nd was literally As he jumping on and off Xhaka's leg.

Arsenal...Lacazette just hand balled.

That's just the first match.

What makes it worse is the pundits saying it is expected to jump into a leg and get a pen.
Agreed. I said same on the other thread.
Anyone who dives, like Willian or the prolific diver Saha, should be dragged in front of the TV cameras and asked why they dived. They can then be banned for 3 games.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:48 pm

VAR - used properly !

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by IanMcL » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:50 pm

Our match next....
Morata and Willian

Why oh why do they disgrace themselves in such a way?

**** on a football field. If that is their moral compass, check your wallet in the changing room.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by IanMcL » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:53 pm

By the way, we are not too honest, we are honest.
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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:05 am

Dyche's complaints have fallen on deaf ears, we should go out next week and just roll around and cheat - he can come out after the game and say "how'dya all like that"

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:34 am

Sam Vokes stayed on his feet in the area with David Luis dragging at him.Saha would have been down liked he'd been snipered.
Yes we are not a bunch of cheating toe rags and what we really need is for refs to stand up to cheats.
The antics of Chelseas keeper after attempting to tackle Barnes was totally ott .As was several "injured"Chelsea players.
For the record Woy says Saha is targeted and is an honest player.With this attitude of one of our most experienced managers nothing will change
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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Siddo » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:51 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Sam Vokes stayed on his feet in the area with David Luis dragging at him.Saha would have been down liked he'd been snipered.
Yes we are not a bunch of cheating toe rags and what we really need is for refs to stand up to cheats.
The antics of Chelseas keeper after attempting to tackle Barnes was totally ott .As was several "injured"Chelsea players.
For the record Woy says Saha is targeted and is an honest player.With this attitude of one of our most experienced managers nothing will change
Why are you insulting a person with a speech impediment. ?

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by tim_noone » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:40 am

Siddo wrote:Why are you insulting a person with a speech impediment. ?
It's zaha isn't it?

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by aggi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:45 am

Surprisingly Xhaka said that it was a penalty that he gave away.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Foulthrow » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:06 am

Erm, I watched MOTD2 this morning and couldn't find any issue with any of the penalties that I saw given. Does that mean I'd expect Burnley to get those decisions??? No, no it doesn't.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by bobinho » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:10 am

CombatClaret wrote:Posted this in another thread but more relevant here:

Economists will tell you everything in life comes down to incentives

When it comes to the players behavior they are only doing what the game has increasingly incentivised them to do. The emphasis on getting a result at all costs with mulit-millions of pounds in the mix and importantly the rules having enough grey areas in them to allow the constant pushing the envelope.
We only see a yellow card for the most clear and obvious dives, hardly a deterrent. The risk/reward factor is totally skewed toward the benefits of diving and dishonesty. Even if a few are caught many more will not,risk a yellow for a potential 3 points? Yes please.
Even a two game ban, which has only been applied twice I believe is not being used enough to make it a deterrent.

It's the same reason why some investment bankers do crooked deals, because the likelihood of anything coming of it is very low but the reward is potentially huge.
“Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king”. Bob Dylan.
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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:23 am

A trip does not have to be deliberate. Deliberate only applies to handball.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by Shore claret » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:57 am

when depoitre(against us) and the fulham lad(against Bournemouth) dived, both pundits said it was disgusting behaviour, bet they didn't say that about Willian.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by dsr » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:A trip does not have to be deliberate. Deliberate only applies to handball.
But it does have to be a trip. If a player wouldn't fall over in normal circumstances but chooses to throw himself down, it isn't a trip. (Except under the rules of football as commonly applied. How many free kicks did Chelsea get for throwing themselves on the floor yesterday?)

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by aggi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:20 pm

Shore claret wrote:when depoitre(against us) and the fulham lad(against Bournemouth) dived, both pundits said it was disgusting behaviour, bet they didn't say that about Willian.
They did.

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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by IanMcL » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:48 pm

aggi wrote:Surprisingly Xhaka said that it was a penalty that he gave away.
Yes...because he has caught this stupid mindset, which says I left my body part within striking distance, so it is my fault that he was able to jump into it and fall over, thus claimimg a legitimate penalty, as there was contact.

It is not football!
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Re: Dishonesty....cheating

Post by IanMcL » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:50 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Erm, I watched MOTD2 this morning and couldn't find any issue with any of the penalties that I saw given. Does that mean I'd expect Burnley to get those decisions??? No, no it doesn't.
No it means you gave swallowed the 'contact rubbish! Just like referees.

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