The Times: Dyche unhappy - dressing room disharmony

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:30 am

Report in The Times today:

Matt Hughes, Football Notebook

Sean Dyche hunts for Burnley mole after media leaks

Signs of disharmony in the dressing room at Burnley have been revealed by a recent team meeting called by Sean Dyche, when the manager demanded to know if one of his players has been leaking stories to the media.

The Burnley manager is unhappy that a number of stories about his own wages and decisions to drop senior players have been published recently and demanded to know who was responsible. A meeting was called but it broke up without resolution, with all the players insisting they were in the dark.

Dyche retains the backing of Burnley’s players despite a poor start to the season, but his recent omission of the long-serving Ashley Barnes and preference for Joe Hart over the fit-again Tom Heaton has upset some within a tight-knit group.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:33 am

Maybe there is something that needs sorting - and not just team results.

Teams can only ever be successful with "togetherness."

Let's get a result at the London Stadium today.

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GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:37 am

Well that's the bellends on here happy, they're desperate to say that Dyche has lost the dressing room and needs to go

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:40 am

That is a worry and my concern from the outset was the effect if any of Joe coming in. Of course none of us can know if any of this is true-but if the dressing room is lost then it spells only one thing for us. It is hard to follow why after 6 years our pretty watertight defence now leaks. What has changed? Only the keeper and recently the left back.
Whether Tom is the keeper he was- we cannot know until he is played.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:50 am

I am a great fan of Tom and would wish for nothing more than him between our sticks and back to his best

His performance at Burton alas suggests not

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:01 am

The most concerning thing there isn't the substance of the story- because there isn't much to it. Players get reminded of their responsibilities to maintain confidentiality all the time (probably at Burnley, after the Stephen Ward WhatsApp thing). And players will always have their private views on selection, influenced by who their closest mates are.

If anything is concerning, it's the fact that even after that meeting, this story has appeared. At best (and actually most likely) it suggests someone isn't being careful enough. But in any event the journo will have made the most of his source content - and given the story is pretty mundane after he's done his worst, the source clearly wasn't exactly giving away crown jewels.

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:02 am

These spells are inevitable in every single work place.

If this has any weight to it....fair play that he is dealing with it. I think a lot of managers just ignore it and hope it will go away.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:05 am

I wonder who leaked the story of the meeting about leaking stories to the press?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:10 am

If a player has leaked information about Dyche's wages, who told the player ?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:17 am

Which scoundrel has gone to the press and told them that Ashley Barnes and Tom Heaton haven't been in the team?

And where have these leaks been published? I would have thought there would have been links to them in here.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:18 am

The stories about his wage were all over the media

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:19 am

It all smells a bit fishy.
If we get relegated this season you can count on one hand the number of players who would stay in the Prem with another club. Most would be better off sticking with us in the Championship. Their best option is to fight tooth and nail for Burnley to stay up.
I can understand any player being unhappy at not starting, but the only one in the squad who had a RIGHT to be unhappy is Hendrick. Everyone else who isn't starting, it's because they aren't showing enough on the pitch when they do get on. You can't judge a player on one game, but the one chance Tom had to show he was back, at Burton, he blew. Wood has looked a long way off his best when he comes on. Ash looked ok last Sunday, but over the season hasn't looked as good as last season. Cork and Mee are shadows of their former selves, but the lack of competition for places means neither has been pushed.
If there are any players out there unhappy, they need to take a good hard look in the mirror and not bitch about it.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:20 am

Well whatever was said at this meeting, it’s clearly not had the desired effect given that the meeting itself has ended up being ‘leaked’!!

Never thought you’d see stories like this under Dyche, the football was questionable at best but I always thought the spirit was excellent.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:25 am

randomclaret2 wrote:The stories about his wage were all over the media

Fair enough, I don't read the media. I expected to have seen it on here.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:27 am

In all fairness, it probably still is............and even better by the end of this afternoon.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:37 am

randomclaret2 wrote:The stories about his wage were all over the media

If they were, it was in January and late 2017.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:38 am

Lots of people were suggesting it doesn't look a happy camp, yet they were shouted down as being idiots on here. People aren't stupid, they know what they're seeing with their own eyes and there's clearly a problem somewhere.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:39 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Well that's the bellends on here happy, they're desperate to say that Dyche has lost the dressing room and needs to go

It’s amazing how much credence is given to a tiny minority on forums and social media. I keep reading posts and tweets bemoaning the fact that people want Dyche out. Another thread refers to it as a “chorus”.

I can count on one hand the number of individuals who actually say they want him out though. Granted some of those have probably repeated it many times, but the numbers who want rid of him are very small. I certainly don’t know anyone who wants him out and there’s been no rumblings around where I sit on the Turf.

Far too much is being made of this.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:40 am

Seen as Heaton himself did the interview where he expressed dissatisfaction about life at Burnley, and he how he had assumed he would be in the team at Southampton regardless of signing Hart - you would have to think that Heaton is prime candidate for this.

If it’s Barnes then I am amazed how he could think he deserves to be in the team. I’m a huge Barnes fan but he has been absolute **** this season, doesn’t even look bothered and win the free kicks by diving everywhere that I expect of him as a minimum.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:56 am

The papers are full of ****. Why when a story on us appears do folk choose to believe it?

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:59 am

What right does Heaton have to expect to be played when he knows that if you've been out injured, you have to wait for your opportunity to get the shirt back?
Club captain doesn't equate to automatic selection and if he's causing a rift amongst the squad because of this, he needs to go in January.
Pope is the best out of the three without doubt in my opinion, there's not much between Hart and Heaton. Hart is willing to embrace the team ethic and work for his place, Heaton it is being reported is not.
Heaton up to his injury has been fantastic for us and with little competition, his place in the team was pretty much nailed on. With Pope having done so well while he's been out, I'm sure he did know he'd have work to do to get his place back in the starting line up. However, once Pope got injured, he may have thought his return to the nets was inevitable.
In comes Hart and that's blown that inevitability out of the window. Is it a case that the comfort zone Heatons been in for the past 5 years being removed has rattled him?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:59 am

It's clearly down to Dyche that much doesn't get out on social media or to the press. Even Joey Barton who is a huge Twiitter user kept tight lipped about the team and club whilst here. The Heaton article not long ago is the first relatively negative article in ages.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:07 am

Alan Nixon has just tweeted:

“Stories tomorrow on: Bristol C Burnley Chelsea Palace Everton Man City Oldham Sheff U Sheff Wed Sunderland Wigan NO Q AND A IN MEANTIME ALL THE SAME ...”

Rehash of this?
Inside gossip?
Report on today’s game?

Who knows?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:20 am

After the season Pope had I can't see why Heaton should have expected to go straight back into the team anyway, regardless of whether Hart came or not.

Had Pope remained fit he was comfortably the better keeper.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:25 am

Spijed wrote:After the season Pope had I can't see why Heaton should have expected to go straight back into the team anyway, regardless of whether Hart came or not.

Had Pope remained fit he was comfortably the better keeper.

I understood that comment, as that he thought after Pope was injured he’d be back in the team, but we then signed Hart

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:29 am

Spijed wrote:After the season Pope had I can't see why Heaton should have expected to go straight back into the team anyway, regardless of whether Hart came or not.

Had Pope remained fit he was comfortably the better keeper.

His comments, blown out of all proportion in any case, were based on Pope having already been injured. Hart only played in Istanbul because Tom wasn’t on the squad list. Don’t think there was anything too concerning in what Tom said.

Worst thing with this type of article is it gives those inclined to go on message boards and social media and use it as a stick to beat the club with.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:30 am

This should get the UTC weapons salivating.

Source of this article is probably UTC. Lazy journalist needs to write a few lines on Burnley. Best place to get some info been social media.

File under bull sh1t.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:32 am

wilks_bfc wrote:....but we then signed Hart

And a damn good job we did.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:33 am

agreenwood wrote:It’s amazing how much credence is given to a tiny minority on forums and social media

100% bang on!

The goal music survey conducted by the club revealed those wishing to get rid were in the minority.

The hue and cry about rigged voting on forums was hilarious

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:36 am

ElectroClaret wrote:And a damn good job we did.

Yes, and had Heaton's shoulder gone again if he'd have played against Southampton we would have been in a big mess!

It was too much of a risk not to sign anyone.

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:48 am

I've read the article and it doesn't have any concrete evidence that it is even true. I could write the exact article, change the team name and a couple of player names and that would appear to put that particular team in crisis. I honestly don't think there's is anything in this at all.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:58 am

If the story about Sean's wages is from late 2017, then I would assume that the matter was resolved to his satisfaction when he signed a four-year contract in January this year.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:01 pm

Spijed wrote:Yes, and had Heaton's shoulder gone again if he'd have played against Southampton we would have been in a big mess!

It was too much of a risk not to sign anyone.

We had Lindegaard as cover, but he got injured too, extreme bad luck to have 3 international goalkeepers all out at the same time.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:04 pm

Move along - nothing to see here

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:08 pm

Fingers crossed there will be several more unhappy players at the end of January after hopefully an active transfer window. Several players at present arent playing well enough and deserve to be dropped and possibly replaced if they dont improve

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:28 pm

I can't believe this 'meeting' is true.

If it is true, it all sounds a bit desperate to be honest, having a meeting to ask who's being telling tales? really?

It all sounds like a mourinho-esque approach of shifting the focus away from results and shifting the blame.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:28 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Move along - nothing to see here

I think saying, “nothing to see here”, is more wishful thinking than anything else.

Stories such as this haven’t come out before. The foundations of the last six years have been built on togetherness and unity. Hopefully it’s a storm in a teacup but when there are comments about disharmony, it’s concerning and it’s this sort of issue that will be the true measure of Dyche’s man management skills.

The team news has been leaked for ages now and it may seem minor but if this is the tip of the iceberg, I can see why Dyche will be getting frustrated.

Hopefully Heaton is nothing to do with it, and hopefully as captain he’s looking to get to the bottom of this, from inside the squad.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:34 pm

journalists are generally unreliable liars anyway, they jump at the chance to blow things out of all proportion.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:02 pm

A blind man on a galloping horse has been able to see not all is well.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:15 pm

Goodclaret wrote:I've read the article and it doesn't have any concrete evidence that it is even true. I could write the exact article, change the team name and a couple of player names and that would appear to put that particular team in crisis. I honestly don't think there's is anything in this at all.

It was written in The Times, not the Sun or Star. It's going to be true.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:21 pm

Maybe the Times got his story on here from the moaners and groaners....

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paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:31 pm

Goodclaret,have you been watching the gamed this season,
That willingness to run through s brick wall for the cause has just not been there this season,
But those of us who have expressed that opinion has been shot down in flames.

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:32 pm

Heston in the library with the candlestick

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:34 pm

Heaton in the library with the candlestick

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:45 pm

Heaton’s article about him wanting game time and may have to look elsewhere was an article that had been officially approved by BFC before going out.
There have been mention of Heaton and SD falling out over Heaton not getting 2 games at the end of last season to prove his fitness for thr Eirld Cup but alledgedly SD went back on that promise.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:50 pm

I have heard that around 2pm, Mr Dyche himself will quietly slip the teamsheet to the media. It is pretty obvious how these team news stories get out! Look to yourself gaffer!

Seriously, all sorted. Let's move on.
Up the Clarets.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:03 am

piston broke wrote:The papers are full of ****. Why when a story on us appears do folk choose to believe it?

Some people like bad news/press about Burnley/Dyche/anything related to the club.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:35 am

Cant believe people are surprised by this tbh. People will always talk. And with social media and mobile phones things will always get out. and its usually like chinese whispers. And with whatsapp and twitter etc people have a platform to say and do things they wouldnt in person.

We used to know the team every saturday. And many know where that came from.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:46 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Cant believe people are surprised by this tbh. People will always talk. And with social media and mobile phones things will always get out. and its usually like chinese whispers. And with whatsapp and twitter etc people have a platform to say and do things they wouldnt in person.

We used to know the team every saturday. And many know where that came from.

Exactly - there have been leaks for ages and I know that there was a meeting after the line ups were revealed ... not because of here but someone started putting them on twitter and tagging the club etc

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:51 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Some people like bad news/press about Burnley/Dyche/anything related to the club.

Rubbish, supporters are concerned about results, performances and the reason why