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Garbage

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:55 pm

13 goals conceded in 3 games

Not even close to being good enough this season, nowhere near

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Re: Garbage

Post by Blackrod » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:01 pm

Going down without a wimper if we carry on like this.

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Re: Garbage

Post by MACCA » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:07 pm

It's West Ham FFS, you can't expect to compete with teams like this when they've spent million of pounds on players.

The ref was poor.

We were good in patches

We aren't a million miles away

We will be fine when Brady and Defour get back playing

We need to start Vydra

Points will come in the next few weeks

We will get back to basics
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Re: Garbage

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:12 pm

Ref should have blown for a non existant foul on Barnes

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Re: Garbage

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:15 pm

MACCA wrote:It's West Ham FFS, you can't expect to compete with teams like this when they've spent million of pounds on players.

The ref was poor.

We were good in patches

We aren't a million miles away

We will be fine when Brady and Defour get back playing

We need to start Vydra

Points will come in the next few weeks

We will get back to basics
All of those things happened today

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Re: Garbage

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:16 pm

What a bunch of whining babies!....have faith we'll get better.
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Re: Garbage

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:17 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Ref should have blown for a non existant foul on Barnes

Also should have blown for a West ham penalty in the first half.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Aclaret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:17 pm

[quote="MACCA"]It's West Ham FFS, you can't expect to compete with teams like this when they've spent million of pounds on players.

But most teams have spent millions more than us, is that the argument after every drubbing ?
Why we didn't spend millions to have a fighting chance to stay in this league, well only Dyche and Garlick can answer that.
If you standstill in this league there's only one way you are going.
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Re: Garbage

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:18 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:What a bunch of whining babies!....have faith we'll get better.
At what point does the blind faith wear off and we have to question what we're seeing on the pitch?

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Re: Garbage

Post by Craigyp01 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:19 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Whoosh
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Re: Garbage

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:20 pm

got a few there Macca !
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Re: Garbage

Post by JohnMac » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:20 pm

Sadly, we are running out of excuses now.

The football is poor, the team looks lost, individuals are under performing.
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Re: Garbage

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:20 pm

Our football is disgusting, our defending is even worse, and our famous team spirit is being called into question.

It’s okay though, in Dyche we trust.
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Re: Garbage

Post by Jamesy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:21 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Erm, I think Macca was regurgitating some of SD’s quotes/whines. :lol:

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Re: Garbage

Post by Stalbansclaret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:23 pm

We actually played pretty well second half today and at 2 2 I was hopeful. Our inability to defend though is just rage inducing. Depressed in grim East London.

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Re: Garbage

Post by SkiptonClaret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:24 pm

Nothing lasts for ever. Stay patient.

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Re: Garbage

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:25 pm

Our awful recruitment and lack of spending in the summer is the root of our problems. The players were out there, look at Brooks and Barclay. We have nobody remotely of that class. And if you say we could not afford them, I will say we could not afford NOT to get them ( unless of course the board fancied another spell in the Championship). What a shambles
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Re: Garbage

Post by Winstonswhite » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:30 pm

I’d hardly call it it a shambles! It’s not easy you know.
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Re: Garbage

Post by joey13 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:30 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:What a bunch of whining babies!....have faith we'll get better.
Please can you tell us all when ?
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Re: Garbage

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:31 pm

Orient

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Re: Garbage

Post by Jimmymaccer » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:33 pm

Needs investment......like any business. And we haven’t, not enough to at least keep pace........and that’s not Dyche.

He’s trying to do a job in a highly competitive industry, where the shareholders and Board invest in “make do” players.

Ultimately ready for the Championship in my view...........but how I hope it just about keeps us in the Prem, but at this rate can’t see it.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:36 pm

The problem is we’re not identifying good players enough, something which this new technical guy has to hit the ground running with, let’s hope he gets someone in to make a difference in Jan. we were very foolish to haggle West Brom, we could have had Jay Rod and I think he would have made a big difference up front as our forwards are offering nothing at the moment.

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Re: Garbage

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:37 pm

We've flittered from it being Hart's fault and a need to change to Heaton; to not closing down enough; to a very poor passing %; to it being the defence's fault... maybe we're just not good enough? And last year was us all performing at close to 100%, and things falling for us?

That's certainly how it looks to me. In which case, our only saviour will be bringing in 2-3+ players in January. If that's on loan - sobeit! If that doesn't happen, I really don't see how we could improve to such a significant amount that we will stay up.
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Re: Garbage

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:38 pm

Good band.
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Re: Garbage

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:38 pm

I don't think it's all down to the board, If I recall, MG said there was a healthy fund available, I think SD and his "nit pick" approach to ensure players fit the framework and reluctance to look abroad which could be a major contributing factor.
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Re: Garbage

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:39 pm

Jimmymaccer wrote:Needs investment......like any business. And we haven’t, not enough to at least keep pace........and that’s not Dyche.

He’s trying to do a job in a highly competitive industry, where the shareholders and Board invest in “make do” players.

Ultimately ready for the Championship in my view...........but how I hope it just about keeps us in the Prem, but at this rate can’t see it.
agree to a degree, my biggest problem is we can't pass a ball so we don't stand a chance at this level. HOOOOOOOOOOOOF

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Re: Garbage

Post by Right_winger » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:39 pm

Garbage tactics from an out of touch manager doesn’t help.

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Re: Garbage

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:40 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Good band.
I'm losing my favourite game? :D
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Re: Garbage

Post by Erasmus » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:42 pm

Personally, I expect the season to follow this pattern every year we are in the Premier League. That's not undue pessimism, it's just a rational understanding of our resources and status in comparison to other Premier League clubs. In that respect, we are on the same level as Cardiff and Huddersfield, but no other team really. There's no need to demand excuses from the manager when a team with lesser players loses to a team with better players.

Someone suggested we should have signed Brooks or Barclay (presumably Ross Barclay) but there is no way at all players of that calibre would come to Burnley. It would never be seen as a positive career move.
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Re: Garbage

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:43 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'm losing my favourite game? :D
That’s the Cardigans! ;)
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Re: Garbage

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:43 pm

It needs sorting by whoever needs to sort it, no matter the level/relationship might come under pressure. There is something not right and someone within the club knows what it is. It's up to them to do their most professional job for Burnley Football Club. That is their job
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Re: Garbage

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:45 pm

Erasmus wrote:Someone suggested we should have signed Brooks or Barclay (presumably Ross Barclay) but there is no way at all players of that calibre would come to Burnley. It would never be seen as a positive career move.
Buying players will certainly be a tough for us, for several reasons. We're likely to go down, and players who could come to us know damn well that's more than realistic. If we add wage cut relegation clauses, they'll run a mile. So realistically, the only players we're going to sign in January are Championship players (who are playing for a club unlikely to come up), or players who aren't getting a sniff at their current club in the Premier League.

Or, of course, a six month loan. But 2-3 six month loans could be the difference between us going down and staying up and be well worth the investment. But as I've said, I don't see how this squad will keep us up with the way we're playing. To go from this to playing well and picking up points, would be a massive turnaround. One I just can't see happening.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:46 pm

In the match you could see Heaton talking to Barnes after their second goal saying something like that was shite keeping, pulling his face, the cameraman panned over to him having a moan on purpose :shock:

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Re: Garbage

Post by maidenover » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:50 pm

Erasmus wrote:Personally, I expect the season to follow this pattern every year we are in the Premier League. That's not undue pessimism, it's just a rational understanding of our resources and status in comparison to other Premier League clubs. In that respect, we are on the same level as Cardiff and Huddersfield, but no other team really. There's no need to demand excuses from the manager when a team with lesser players loses to a team with better players.

Someone suggested we should have signed Brooks or Barclay (presumably Ross Barclay) but there is no way at all players of that calibre would come to Burnley. It would never be seen as a positive career move.
Brooks maybe, Barclay absolutely no chance

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Re: Garbage

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:50 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:I don't think it's all down to the board, If I recall, MG said there was a healthy fund available, I think SD and his "nit pick" approach to ensure players fit the framework and reluctance to look abroad which could be a major contributing factor.
Exactly this. When Dyche is so limited in the sort of players he's willing to sign it kind of limits our options. I'm sure the funds were there over the summer, yet the sum of Dyche's ambition was to chase after a journeyman midfielder like Sam Clucas.

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Re: Garbage

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:51 pm

maidenover wrote:Brooks maybe, Barclay absolutely no chance
That would be a banker, if we got him.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Ooogeorgeorgeoghani » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:54 pm

Dyche is not to blame today , started with a positive team , changed the strikers early and Brady had plenty of time too , I know it's happy clappy stuff but we have to get behind the team at home it's where our points are going to come from, we all know it's not quite clicking so does the manager and the players ,so negative fans on match day will only make matters worse ,
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Re: Garbage

Post by ClaretAL » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:56 pm

4 games to shape our season was the cry, 1 down 3 to go., then what?

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Re: Garbage

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:56 pm

Agree with the above time the players stood up and toon responsibility nothing Dyche can do about a defender who can’t make a simple pass to his keeper or do basic defending today.

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Re: Garbage

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:00 pm

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani wrote:Dyche is not to blame today , started with a positive team , changed the strikers early and Brady had plenty of time too , I know it's happy clappy stuff but we have to get behind the team at home it's where our points are going to come from, we all know it's not quite clicking so does the manager and the players ,so negative fans on match day will only make matters worse ,

Brady had 15 mins. Hardly plenty of time. The substitutions were too late yet again and reacting to going 2-1 down rather than making them earlier and taking the initiative in the game. Not good enough.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:00 pm

"Started with a positive team"? I do not know how Lennon and Westwood get anywhere near the first team, and poor old Sam Vokes, he would make an average championship striker look good. Added to that, Tarks and Lowton are awful at the moment. I fear for the worst

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Re: Garbage

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:02 pm

Excellent second half of the season to look forward to.

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Re: Garbage

Post by joey13 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:03 pm

Who’s call was it to buy Vydra , bang average at best

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Re: Garbage

Post by beddie » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:06 pm

We should have signed Dawson, he would have brought some proper agression to the team, especially from set plays. Tarky's a good player but at set plays he lacks an aggressive streak, with Dawson he would take every man and his dog when attacking the ball. Gibson was second choice and he's not a patch on Dawson. Get the back four tight and compact and you have a chance. Absolutely awful recruitment, unfortunately it'll be too late come January.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Wo Didi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:09 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:In the match you could see Heaton talking to Barnes after their second goal saying something like that was shite keeping, pulling his face, the cameraman panned over to him having a moan on purpose :shock:

That goal came via 2 deflections, no chance of saving it. I love Tom Heaton for everything he's done for us (we've also done a lot for him too) but if he is undermining team spirit he needs to be sold in January.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:11 pm

Wo Didi wrote:That goal came via 2 deflections, no chance of saving it. I love Tom Heaton for everything he's done for us (we've also done a lot for him too) but if he is undermining team spirit he needs to be sold in January.
Think that was the third, second went through Harts legs

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Re: Garbage

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:17 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Our awful recruitment and lack of spending in the summer is the root of our problems. The players were out there, look at Brooks and Barclay. We have nobody remotely of that class. And if you say we could not afford them, I will say we could not afford NOT to get them ( unless of course the board fancied another spell in the Championship). What a shambles
Yeah, I can't believe we didn't sign Ross Barkley. No way we'd have lost today if we'd signed Barkley and possibly Roberto Firmino in the summer.

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Re: Garbage

Post by colne-claret » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:21 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Yeah, I can't believe we didn't sign Ross Barkley. No way we'd have lost today if we'd signed Barkley and possibly Roberto Firmino in the summer.
Yeah but they aren't really Dyche players. We don't need match winners in our team.
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Re: Garbage

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:25 pm

colne-claret wrote:Yeah but they aren't really Dyche players. We don't need match winners in our team.
No. Dyche hates really good footballers.

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Re: Garbage

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:25 pm

Won 6? games since jan. Got us knocked out of Europe and beat by burton. He’s been good, he’s now ****. Dyche out Dyche out Dyche out.

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