Time for Dyche to leave

ClaretJimmy · Post by **ClaretJimmy** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:03 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:when other clubs bigger than ours were interested, and the media had him marked as a possible england manager of the future, and the man who has got us here in the first place !! as early as november you are suggesting we sack him incredible .

See Leicester and Ranieri. Once it's gone, it's gone.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:03 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:when other clubs bigger than ours were interested, and the media had him marked as a possible england manager of the future, and the man who has got us here in the first place !! as early as november you are suggesting we sack him incredible .

What bigger clubs were these then? Last season his stock had never been higher when the Everton job came up and they showed no interest in him whatsoever.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:05 pm

OP is a prick of the highest order. Stupid thread!

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:06 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:when other clubs bigger than ours were interested, and the media had him marked as a possible england manager of the future, and the man who has got us here in the first place !! as early as november you are suggesting we sack him incredible .

What other bigger clubs were seriously ever interested in him ? He’s viewed as a dinosaur by many. Seriously, where is this bigger club that would be interested in a manager who has next to zero experience, or possibly, interest in the foreign market, younger players...etc.
They ain’t queuing up, Peak Dyche has been and gone, it’s now a matter of time only.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:06 pm

jrgbfc wrote:It's not the Board who insist on chasing after journeyman players from the Championship year after year because they're British and are "good lads".

Didn’t Garlick who made his money in recruitment stress in an interview the importance of prospective signings being ‘good lads’?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:07 pm

These supposedly 'good characters' and 'good lads' Dyche is so keen on, haven't actually turned out to be that good, have they?

As soon as the going has got tough they've gone in on themselves, are apparently leaking info to the media, are unhappy that some of the old favourite aren't being played... we might well have been better off bringing in players who can pass.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:09 pm

We could have invested nicely in the squad this summer, when our strong position and European football made us look relatively attractive. The areas for improvement were obvious too.

Alas, we decided to sign 3 players, 1 due to an injury crisis. We spent the whole summer chasing two bang average old West Brom players, when the valuations were clearly set from day 1. Yes, its the board’s fault for failing to sign them, but if we should have never been after them in the first place.

Europe was treated by everyone like the League Cup - a burden. Was genuinely painful seeing just how useful the pace of Podence was for Olympiakos - it’s an absolute must have in 2018, but transfer policy is for whatever reason not geared around such things as that and “footballing ability”. We could have been ready for both competitions, and we’ve ended up being ready for neither. Dyche has to take responsibility for a large proportion of that.

Absolute nightmare of a season, that was just waiting to happen.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:11 pm

SGr wrote:We could have invested nicely in the squad this summer, when our strong position and European football made us look relatively attractive.

Interesting you say that when Leicester city struggled to recruit better players despite being in the Champions league. Even Kante didn't want to play for them in Europe.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:13 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Who would you replace him with at this moment in time?

No answer to that funnily enough. He will obviously say that it isn't his job to think of the replacement.

He's far too busy trying to find enough darts to throw at his Sean Dyche effigy.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:13 pm

Yeah, let’s give Brian Laws a ring, see if he fancies it.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:14 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Didn’t Garlick who made his money in recruitment stress in an interview the importance of prospective signings being ‘good lads’?

I'm sure the Board would much rather we used the much better for value European market, as oppose to paying over the odds for ageing British players because Dyche has come across them in the Championship.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:16 pm

One thing that's puzzling me (and it must be a coaching issue) is why our back four have lost shape and discipline.
This can only be down to the manager, and if the current back four won't do it properly he should make some changes. Unfortunately with three defenders out injured he may struggle to do this.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:18 pm

Spijed wrote:Interesting you say that when Leicester city struggled to recruit better players despite being in the Champions league. Even Kante didn't want to play for them in Europe.

Kante was bought by Chelsea ffs. Leicester had no problem spending the money, they just spent quite a bit of it unwisely. You can have one without the other, you know

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:18 pm

Not time for him to go at all. He deserves more patience.

However, he shouldn’t be untouchable either and if things don’t improve in the next few months very serious questions need to be asked.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:19 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:No answer to that funnily enough. He will obviously say that it isn't his job to think of the replacement.

He's far too busy trying to find enough darts to throw at his Sean Dyche effigy.

Haha! Erm, I think you'll find I did answer that one.

Far too busy staining that picture of Dyche pointing to his chin to notice.

Denno97 · Post by **Denno97** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:21 pm

No other club in the top flight would appoint someone like Dyche. The football throughout his term has been poor at best despite being successful. Rather see someone who is willing to play the ball on the floor and provide a bit of excitement back to the Turf.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:21 pm

The OP needs reuniting with his marbles ....

However, perhaps recalling Heaton for a month may re-invigorate the defence, and the sooner Ward is back fit the better, although he can't go on for ever ... on the positive side, we scored twice ...

I'm convinced some of the posters on here would rather us be in the Championship, in or around the play-offs, winning more than we lose, than be in the Premier League, playing some of the biggest Clubs in the world ....

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:22 pm

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:29 pm

The football is awful and tired. We look like we have run out of ideas. It's not just one or two players underperforming. The board needs to put the club first and should not allow us to be taken down without making a change when needed. We are a top flight business and should be run like one.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:30 pm

Didn't take much encouragement, did it BOT?

That picture is looking a bit crusty, mind. Maybe ask for a new one from father christmas?

ClaretJimmy · Post by **ClaretJimmy** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:32 pm

Clarets4me wrote:The OP needs reuniting with his marbles ....

However, perhaps recalling Heaton for a month may re-invigorate the defence, and the sooner Ward is back fit the better, although he can't go on for ever ... on the positive side, we scored twice ...

I'm convinced some of the posters on here would rather us be in the Championship, in or around the play-offs, winning more than we lose, than be in the Premier League, playing some of the biggest Clubs in the world ....

Would much rather be in the championship where we can play decent attacking football and have some entertainment. Getting beat 4-2 at West Ham and Fulham is ******* **** whatever the prestige of the league is

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:32 pm

Blackrod wrote:The football is awful and tired. We look like we have run out of ideas. It's not just one or two players underperforming. The board needs to put the club first and should not allow us to be taken down without making a change when needed. We are a top flight business and should be run like one.

What reason should they give exactly, for sacking Dyche?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:One thing that's puzzling me (and it must be a coaching issue) is why our back four have lost shape and discipline.
This can only be down to the manager, and if the current back four won't do it properly he should make some changes. Unfortunately with three defenders out injured he may struggle to do this.

Have a look at the Heaton thread on the second page. I have posted a few issues regarding this which I believe could be part of the issue

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:38 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Didn't take much encouragement, did it BOT?

That picture is looking a bit crusty, mind. Maybe ask for a new one from father christmas?

It was for your benefit because I know how much you hate him.

A bit like a clever dick toxic Bar steward fan from a few years ago.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:46 pm

The sand grains in the old egg timer are starting to flow. Sean urgently needs to find some inspiration, luck and good judgement to stem the flow

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:49 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Have a look at the Heaton thread on the second page. I have posted a few issues regarding this which I believe could be part of the issue

Couldn't find your posts

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:52 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Couldn't find your posts

Posts 69, 71 and 74

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:54 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Couldn't find your posts

They won't be worth it if you do find them, believe me.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:55 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Posts 69, 71 and 74

I was looking on page 2 of the forum, I can be a bit daft at times.
But I agree with just about everything you've said about Joe Hart.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:07 pm

Certainly not time for Dyche to go however the the 9 matches up to the end of the year will be crucial as we can rule out anything against Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal so that leaves the 6 matches to somehow scrape 10 points or so to leave us on 18 points after 20 matches. To me this is the period Dyche needs to earn his £70,000 a week and i personally think he will turn it around.
The Board backed Dyche with a five year contract last January so in January then it will be there turn to back the manager again in the January window.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:15 pm

The Ginger Miraculous One will solve the conundrum.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:18 pm

Dy1geo wrote:Certainly not time for Dyche to go however the the 9 matches up to the end of the year will be crucial as we can rule out anything against Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal so that leaves the 6 matches to somehow scrape 10 points or so to leave us on 18 points after 20 matches. To me this is the period Dyche needs to earn his £70,000 a week and i personally think he will turn it around.
The Board backed Dyche with a five year contract last January so in January then it will be there turn to back the manager again in the January window.

To a point I agree. But and its a big but, how can you help a manger that has zero willingness to enter the foreign market and instead shops in a market which is over valued and youth is not somwthing we generally invest in because not enough research can be done into their background, character, attitude and such. With this criteria we will never sign young players who can slot straight into our starting 11.

Always signing players in their mid 20s who may be needing a kick up the backside or older players who are coming in on reputation and because they have been there and done it

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:27 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:OP is a prick of the highest order. Stupid thread!

Just arrived home. My OP was a question and I’ve had time on the train to reflect on it. I still believe it’s time for a change. Debate if you want rather than slanging your proletariat vibes at me.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:31 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Just arrived home. My OP was a question and I’ve had time on the train to reflect on it. I still believe it’s time for a change. Debate if you want rather than slanging your proletariat vibes at me.

It's not about whether it's time for a change, or whether he's brought in the best players.. it's where the chuffin hell did Granny WeatherWax come from?

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:33 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It's not about whether it's time for a change, or whether he's brought in the best players.. it's where the chuffin hell did Granny WeatherWax come from?

Brother, is that you?

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:34 pm

Very short termist thinking wanting Dyche to go. You can say we could get in Allardyce and he'd keep us up this year, but where would we be 2-3 years down the line? On the same merry-go-round Stoke and Palace were on, hiring and firing Pulis, Pardew and Mark Hughes, and look how it's ended for them. We won't get a better manager with the budget we're offering.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:34 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Just arrived home. My OP was a question and I’ve had time on the train to reflect on it. I still believe it’s time for a change. Debate if you want rather than slanging your proletariat vibes at me.

You've gained plenty of attention on the way home, well done.

Maybe you could have included in your debate topic who should replace Dyche at this moment in time?

Paul Cook? Joey Barton? Ryan Giggs? David Moyes? Steve Coppell?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:37 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:Very short termist thinking wanting Dyche to go. You can say we could get in Allardyce and he'd keep us up this year, but where would we be 2-3 years down the line? On the same merry-go-round Stoke and Palace were on, hiring and firing Pulis, Pardew and Mark Hughes, and look how it's ended for them. We won't get a better manager with the budget we're offering.

75k a week I would beg to differ. I bet he is paid more than 75% of the managers in the Champions League

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:37 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:OP is a prick of the highest order. Stupid thread!

Constructive as usual LCP love your stunning intellect. Always ready with personal abuse as opposed to rational argument. Vote Labour by any chance?

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:37 pm

NL Claret wrote:You've gained plenty of attention on the way home, well done.

Maybe you could have included in your debate topic who should replace Dyche at this moment in time?

Paul Cook? Joey Barton? Ryan Giggs? David Moyes? Steve Coppell?

Dyche has done amazing. Agreed. Is he doing amazing now though. Could anyone do any worse than him at the moment? Look at his record since January 18. Anyone else would have been fired.

Now obviously he shouldn’t have been but it’s now become horrific. How long do we give him?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:39 pm

NL Claret wrote:You've gained plenty of attention on the way home, well done.

Maybe you could have included in your debate topic who should replace Dyche at this moment in time?

Paul Cook? Joey Barton? Ryan Giggs? David Moyes? Steve Coppell?

Oh my god that French paper L'equipe may have been onto something. Why must we recruit a British manager?

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:40 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Oh my god that French paper L'equipe may have been onto something. Why must we recruit a British manager?

Obviously cos we only recruit British players

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:44 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Obviously cos we only recruit British players

Do Burnley fans and Sean Dyche know that there are more leagues than the Premiership and Championship? That every 4 years tournaments are held called the Euros and World Cup where players from upto 32 other countries play football. Yes thats right, I know we invented it but people play football in other countries and are quite good at it

Oh and yes all those fans that praised SD as a family man because he said he wasnt going looking at players at the world cup because he wanted family time. You are paid 75K a year Sean!!! Have 20 or 25 days off a year like the rest of us and get back to earning your money

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Do Burnley fans and Sean Dyche know that there are more leagues than the Premiership and Championship? That every 4 years tournaments are held called the Euros and World Cup where players from upto 32 other countries play football. Yes thats right, I know we invented it but people play football in other countries and are quite good at it

Oh and yes all those fans that praised SD as a family man because he said he wasnt going looking at players at the world cup because he wanted family time. You are paid 75K a year Sean!!! Have 20 or 25 days off a year like the rest of us and get back to earning your money

What are you on about?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Obviously cos we only recruit British players

Question dodgers / politicians.

Who is the replacement? I'll go overseas with Bob Bradley or Frank De Boer or Slaven Bilic.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Do Burnley fans and Sean Dyche know that there are more leagues than the Premiership and Championship? That every 4 years tournaments are held called the Euros and World Cup where players from upto 32 other countries play football. Yes thats right, I know we invented it but people play football in other countries and are quite good at it

Oh and yes all those fans that praised SD as a family man because he said he wasnt going looking at players at the world cup because he wanted family time. You are paid 75K a year Sean!!! Have 20 or 25 days off a year like the rest of us and get back to earning your money

His contract has a clause stating He earns money on every transfer out of the club that we make money on. Maybe that restricts who he goes for in the market.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:48 pm

NL Claret wrote:Question dodgers / politicians.

Who is the replacement? I'll go overseas with Bob Bradley or Frank De Boer or Slaven Bilic.

Bob Bradley good shout. Good links to the MSL. I’m with you.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:51 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Brother, is that you?

You can tell I'm not a reader.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:49 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:75k a week I would beg to differ. I bet he is paid more than 75% of the managers in the Champions League

I don't mean his wages, I mean the club's transfer/wage budget.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:59 am

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Dyche has done amazing. Agreed. Is he doing amazing now though. Could anyone do any worse than him at the moment? Look at his record since January 18. Anyone else would have been fired.

Now obviously he shouldn’t have been but it’s now become horrific. How long do we give him?

I know you won't answer the question so I've been doing some thinking for you and come up with 2 potential candidates.

Big Fat Sam or Mick Mccarthy. Let me know what you think.