Time for Dyche to leave

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:00 am

And what reason should the club give for sacking the best manager we've had in decades?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:03 am

It would be simply ridiculous for the Board to sack him now or in the near future.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:04 am

It's time for fans with their heads up their arses to leave.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:04 am

Spijed wrote:And what reason should the club give for sacking the best manager we've had in decades?

The results, perhaps?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:46 am

It’s not going to happen so pointless thread

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:59 am

boatshed bill wrote:The results, perhaps?

So it's OK to sack a manager after eleven matches then?

If that's the case we can NEVER EVER be critical of other clubs when they sack managers after each season. We then just become a target for mercenaries.

And what if the new manager isn't working out?

Would you be happy getting a new manager each season?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:17 pm

Spijed wrote:So it's OK to sack a manager after eleven matches then?

If that's the case we can NEVER EVER be critical of other clubs when they sack managers after each season. We then just become a target for mercenaries.

And what if the new manager isn't working out?

Would you be happy getting a new manager each season?

I'm not sacking anyone. You asked what reasons the board might have to sack the manager, and poor results is the most common reason.
But in answer to your newer post, it's not 11 matches, it's 7 wins in 2018.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:25 pm

Looks like the players have downed tools to me, an unhappy camp

Its going to be an Allardyce rescue job if something dosent change and quick!

DomBFC1882 · Post by **DomBFC1882** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:28 pm

I don't think Allardyce could set us up to play any worse than we are now to be fair

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:30 pm

sacking him would be THE most stupid dismissal in the history of modern football.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:32 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Looks like the players have downed tools to me, an unhappy camp

Its going to be an Allardyce rescue job if something dosent change and quick!

Didn't look like Mee had downed tools when he made that clearance off the line yesterday.

Turftalkers mentor · Post by **Turftalkers mentor** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:33 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Won 6? games since jan. Got us knocked out of Europe and beat by burton. He’s been amazing but now he’s been found out. Game today against a side we could have got at least a point off and we got spanked. Dyche out Dyche out Dyche out.

Time for you and all the other doubters to go. Hope he is here in ten years time

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:35 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Didn't look like Mee had downed tools when he made that clearance off the line yesterday.

Yes that was good moment, shame about the rest of the defensive performance though.

We are rank bad at the back at the moment....

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:37 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Yes that was good moment, shame about the rest of the defensive performance though.

We are rank bad at the back at the moment....

Yes we are, but it's not because anyone has "downed tools".

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:48 pm

jurek wrote:Absolutely not but if we do go down then it might be
that he feels he needs to move on. Not sure where.

I think the fans will no doubt have a say in it especially if they do get
on his and the players backs which will no doubt happen if we continue in the same
vein of form as we have done. And it probably won't be that many games down the road.
Another 6 or so games will probably suffice afore things start getting volatile.

I personally think Dyche will be here at the end of the season and probably the season
after even if we do go down. He's taken us back up once so no reason why he can't do it
again will be the thinking.

The only way I see him leaving is if another club comes in for him.
Probably a top Championship club.

He’s the 7th highest paid manager in the Prem. Which top championship club can afford to pay him?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:51 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Didn't look like Mee had downed tools when he made that clearance off the line yesterday.

Or when Wood hit the bar at 3-2.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:46 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Yes we are, but it's not because anyone has "downed tools".

Not sure about that, the effort just isn’t there this season... last season we were fighting for every ball this year seems a lot can’t be arsed, suddenly become big time Charlie’s

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:23 pm

Something isn't right at present and I'm very concerned we look nailed on relegation fodder, but the guy who got us where we are is clearly the best person to sort it out and after 6 amazing years he deserves the chance to sort it out, even if we do go down.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:31 pm

thomaspaine wrote:For all you who are starting to panic, perhaps your efforts would be better employed watching Strictly come prancing, Eastenders or some other tosh.Leave supporting the Clarets to the rest of us.Sure its tough at the moment but it was always going to be so.One thing for sure, is that its going to be an exciting season to see if we can get the points to stay up.I think we will and that there will be at least three worse teams. Just remember where we have come from and keep the faith.

Decent post. It would be utterly shameful to sack Sean Dyche. Absolutely ridiculous. This thread is embarrassing. Granny WeatherWax joined August 2018....where have you been for the previous superb (nay miraculous) 5 years under Sean Dyche ? Weirdly waiting for a rough patch so you could obtain some kind of weird pleasure from calling for the man to be sacked !! And your suggested replacements are beyond laughable too.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:32 pm

nyclaret wrote:He’s the 7th highest paid manager in the Prem. Which top championship club can afford to pay him?

Villa, Leeds, Derby, Boro, Stoke, WBA and that's just off the top of my head.
I can make the list bigger if needs be but you should hopefully get the point by now.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:40 pm

In hindsight a daft post. However I was drunk and angry and had 2 hours to kill on the way home.

Something isn’t right though, a lot of which has been mentioned on the many threads that have apparead recently.

See you at Leicester.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:54 pm

Bump - Seen as the latest Dyche out thread was deleted

Time for both Dyche and Garlick to go home back... down south

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:56 pm

Pretty sure we can be relegated and Dyche will remain. The board won’t pull the trigger and besides his contract is too big now.

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:57 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Bump - Seen as the latest Dyche out thread was deleted

Time for both Dyche and Garlick to go home back... down south

Why was it deleted??
Too many fans wanting him gone now?

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:59 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Why was it deleted??
Too many fans wanting him gone now?

I think probably the majority still back Dyche to be fair, but why the mods attempt to shut down the debate? .... who knows

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:00 am

Anybody who looks at our results in 2018 will see that we need change

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:08 am

I saw vultures gathering in the Bob Lord directors box in the name of David Moyes. Moysie will be thinking, I wouldn't mind a crack at this.

Dyches record this year is very poor and we look devoid of any football or idea, I honestly think his shelf life is now past the sell by date.

Dyche looks clueless

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:27 am

As much as Dyche looks clueless at the moment Moyes would not do any better. He would be an awful appointment.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:29 am

MRG wrote:Anybody who looks at our results in 2018 will see that we need change

I see that we are still above the relegation zone and that's the important thing.

I'm firmly supportive of Dyche.
Not as good as last season but still steady.
Let him keep building.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:30 am

yep I'd rather keep Dyche than have Moyes

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:32 am

I'm sick of watching the same team, make the same mistakes, with the same results, but Dyche had more than earned the right to turn it around.
I just hope he does it soon.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:32 am

JimmyRobbo wrote:I see that we are still above the relegation zone and that's the important thing.

I'm firmly supportive of Dyche.
Not as good as last season but still steady.
Let him keep building.

Problem is he's not building though. After 5 years of Premiership TV money he's still throwing on Ashley Barnes as our first change when we need to create something.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:33 am

JimmyRobbo wrote:I see that we are still above the relegation zone and that's the important thing.

I'm firmly supportive of Dyche.
Not as good as last season but still steady.
Let him keep building.

Not as good as last season is being far to lenient.

He's not going to get sacked anyway so it's a pointless discussion.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:34 am

Beware folks, some of these tossers sit near you

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:39 am

As long as he is prepared to stay and deliver again, should we go down, I’d no way consider getting rid of Dyche. He’s earned plenty of credits and although it’s bloody dire at the moment, I can’t think of anyone better.

An Allardyce might bring a short term improvement but longer term, he’d not give a stuff about the clubs finances or long term future.

Dyche has worked minor miracles though he’s certainly not, nor ever should be, beyond question. Similarly it’s time that the board showed a little faith and hopefully the new technical director is a step in the right direction.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:40 am

Top Claret wrote:I saw vultures gathering in the Bob Lord directors box in the name of David Moyes. Moysie will be thinking, I wouldn't mind a crack at this.

Dyches record this year is very poor and we look devoid of any football or idea, I honestly think his shelf life is now past the sell by date.

Dyche looks clueless

Top Claret - you obviously need to change your name pal!

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:41 am

The strongest argument for sticking with SD and giving him the chance to put things right is that the best other manager we could probably attract is Moyes, Personally, that would give me no confidence he could make the kind of improvement needed to steer us away from danger. Who else - Steve Bruce? No more impressive than Moyes,

Difficult as it is at present, given the depth to which he's ingrained in the club, SD seems like the better bet by some distance.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:43 am

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Won 6? games since jan. Got us knocked out of Europe and beat by burton. He’s been amazing but now he’s been found out. Game today against a side we could have got at least a point off and we got spanked. Dyche out Dyche out Dyche out.

Stupid boy alert

Terrybfc · Post by **Terrybfc** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:32 am

Every team goes through bad patches throughout a season. Didn’t we go 11 without a win last season and still finish 7th? Surely that means, seeing how tight the bottom half of the league is, that we could easily finish 12th-15th this season, all it needs is a run of 2 or 3 wins in a row. I’ll be keeping the faith and I understand that it will most likely get worse with Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham all to come within December, however I do believe that this team has the grit and determination to keep us in the premier league

Paddy1882 · Post by **Paddy1882** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:49 am

managers earn their money during tough times. We haven’t had many of them under Sean and now is the time for him to earn his money but he has to be given chance to do that. For me even if we go down he’d get a chance to bring us back up

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:05 am

The problem is if that if we go down, we go down with a aged squad containing plenty of journeymen who some don't seem up for the fight of fighting for survival in the Premier League, if they are not up for that, I just can't see them being up for the scrap in the Championship. If this was a squad full of potential i'd be more comfortable about our chances in the Championship but it's not and it would require a massive rebuilding effort, would we be able to move players on and would we get players in, is Dyche the right man for that?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:39 am

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:The problem is if that if we go down, we go down with a aged squad containing plenty of journeymen who some don't seem up for the fight of fighting for survival in the Premier League, if they are not up for that, I just can't see them being up for the scrap in the Championship. If this was a squad full of potential i'd be more comfortable about our chances in the Championship but it's not and it would require a massive rebuilding effort, would we be able to move players on and would we get players in, is Dyche the right man for that?

exactly, not working for Stoke

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:07 am

Moaners out!

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:21 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm sick of watching the same team, make the same mistakes, with the same results, but Dyche had more than earned the right to turn it around.
I just hope he does it soon.

Sums it up perfectly

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:39 am

IanMcL wrote:Moaners out!

realists

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:47 am

Not at all. We are struggling for sure. However, we are privileged to have Premier League football at tiny Burnley, with a squad which gives all.

Anyone who has watched us in the lower leagues will understand.

We should support not cry for every man Jack to be dropped or sold.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:31 am

Are there any clubs out there that people are envious of?
Take into account the atmosphere, the financial footing, history, excitement, ambition, business model, results....

All things considered, do we wish we were anybody else?

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:45 am

IanMcL wrote:Not at all. We are struggling for sure. However, we are privileged to have Premier League football at tiny Burnley, with a squad which gives all.

Anyone who has watched us in the lower leagues will understand.

We should support not cry for every man Jack to be dropped or sold.

You forgot to mention 1987. You know, that season we very nearly went out of business. It might have been over 30 years ago, and bears absolutely no relevance to today, but we’ll use it as a reference point for all time anyway.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:19 am

I don’t want him to go. I do want to see some green shoots of recovery soon though. Everything about the team seems very stale.

The problem started with our muddled recruitment in the summer, which has left us selecting the same outfield players as last season and hoping Defour and Brady hit form as soon as they returned.

The risk was always that you were asking a lot for players to recapture the heights of last season, although I don’t think we anticipated that we’d be struggling to even consolidate.

I do think people are kidding themselves if they think this is easily fixed in January though. We aren’t as attractive a proposition as we were in May. The kind of players we might have been able to bring in then may not want to risk playing second tier football next season and the board may not want to risk a large wage bill in the Championship.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:50 am

Someone wrote yesterday that maybe Dyche has become too big for the club. I think that's definitely the case. He's too comfortable.