Alan Nixon - Heaton

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:16 pm

Murger wrote:Anybody who puts our current inability to keep a clean sheet down to Hart, need to actually watch the game.

I watched today.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:26 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:I watched today.

Anyone who thinks the introduction of Hart to our club has had no influence on the amount of goals we are conceding needs to watch a game.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:27 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Anyone who thinks the introduction of Hart to our club has had no influence on the amount of goals we are conceding needs to watch a game.

I think he watched today.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:29 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Anyone who thinks the introduction of Hart to our club has had no influence on the amount of goals we are conceding needs to watch a game.

I did, and as his biggest fan thought 2 , maybe 3 were his fault.
Can't let those in , in this league.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:30 pm

Great cross for the first goal, no mention of that or how 2-3 players watched the cross come in and then watched their centre half have a free header. Who was supposed to be marking him? Don't tell me it was Hart's fault for not polishing the turd in front of him.

Get Heaton in.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:31 pm

The Hart apologists can keep going but the evidence speaks for itself. To have even the tiniest glimmer of hope this guy needs dropping.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:32 pm

NL Claret wrote:Great cross for the first goal, no mention of that or how 2-3 players watched the cross come in and then watched their centre half have a free header. Who was supposed to be marking him? Don't tell me it was Hart's fault for not polishing the turd in front of him.

Get Heaton in.

It's his job to organise the defence.

KlyBfc · Post by **KlyBfc** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:37 pm

Not convinced labelling the goals Harts fault is correct. Should he have done better... yes. But a free header is firstly the defenders fault and secondly the keeper should come and claim, especially as they no by now he ain’t coming. Free kick awful and stupid challenge by Lowton , though with this one I’d agree whole heartedly he should save it. Fourth one looked to be an unpressured shot into the corner of the net (not down the middle or anything to suggest it’s a blooper).

I’m not actually against dropping him now as I think anyone of the 11 could be dropped after that, but to suggest it’s down to Harts means the rest of them are getting away absolutely Scot free when some of them have under performed / fallen below the standard for 12months (5 wins a row aside)

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:44 pm

boatshed bill wrote:It's his job to organise the defence.

Must be difficult at this level for him to organise 3 ball watchers in a split second. Not sure why Cork thought the ball was going to the edge of the box then realise he had lost his man. Utc posters / fans like Jack "quick sand" cork though.

Rumpelstiltskin · Post by **Rumpelstiltskin** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:51 pm

Hart must be dropped now...The manager needs to drop him to find out if he is the problem (I think he is)...Time is running out fast...Dyche has to be big enough to drop him in his efforts to improve a defence which last season was almost watertight without Hart but one that is leaking goals alarmingly this season with Hart...Dereliction of duty for me if he doesn't make the call.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:52 pm

Get rid of Hart for any kind of profit if possible. Then we can start again.

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:52 pm

Hart should have been replaced weeks ago. Lots on here think he’s a saint. Lots think if he only leaks 5/6 goals a game then it’s all good because of that 1 spectacular save he makes.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:55 pm

NL Claret wrote:Must be difficult at this level for him to organise 3 ball watchers in a split second.

That's why we pay him about £35k pw. It really is his responsibility to keep those defenders alert and aware of what is going on.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:56 pm

Hart is a gonner!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:57 pm

England, Man City, Torino and West Ham have all binned him for not being good enough in the last few years.

So should we. We have two keepers who are far far better.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:02 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:England, Man City, Torino and West Ham have all binned him for not being good enough in the last few years.

So should we. We have two keepers who are far far better.

We had Tom Heaton, Anders Lindegaard and Adam Legzdins with an injured Nick Pope being back in six months. We are (apparently) careful with our money and yet someone had the idea that signing a FIFTH goalkeeper on what most would say will surely be our biggest EVER salary and would undoubtedly upset the dressing room, was a good idea.

That alone was mental - the fact that the guy we gambled this on was Joe ******* Hart who every armchair fan has seen being a flailing gimp for the last half decade for a succession of clubs is tantamount to criminal.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:07 pm

jedi_master wrote:We had Tom Heaton, Anders Lindegaard and Adam Legzdins with an injured Nick Pope being back in six months. We are (apparently) careful with our money and yet someone had the idea that signing a FIFTH goalkeeper on what most would say will surely be our biggest EVER salary and would undoubtedly upset the dressing room, was a good idea.

That alone was mental - the fact that the guy we gambled this on was Joe ******* Hart who every armchair fan has seen being a flailing gimp for the last half decade for a succession of clubs is tantamount to criminal.

It was a disaster when Nick Pope got injured, with Tom not match ready.
Could Lindegaard have held his own? We'll never know
Hart looked like a really good fix short term.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:08 pm

What do Lindegaard and Legzdins do in the average week. Play Scrabble ?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:09 pm

boatshed bill wrote:That's why we pay him about £35k pw. It really is his responsibility to keep those defenders alert and aware of what is going on.

We pay £35k to midfield players to ball watch, basics. Lets focus on Hart because we don't like him, he's on £140k a week and Tom only conceded 6 in his last match.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:12 pm

NL Claret wrote:We pay £35k to midfield players to ball watch, basics. Lets focus on Hart because we don't like him, he's on £140k a week and Tom only conceded 6 in his last match.

This is about goalkeepers.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:29 pm

boatshed bill wrote:This is about goalkeepers.

Is it? Had Tom been in goal he'd have got Jack in the right place?

Good shot by the Watford lad. Hart would have been at fault.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:34 pm

NL Claret wrote:Is it? Had Tom been in goal he'd have got Jack in the right place?

Good shot by the Watford lad. Hart would have been at fault.

Well, we've certainly had what have appeared to be better organised defences in the previous two seasons.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:35 pm

It’s got the point now where we've got to change something. The fact is, with Heaton in goal, we never conceded goals like we do now - even last time we got relegated. Tom was never the most commanding keeper, but it was an areas his game that he improved, and he was miles better than Hart.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:38 pm

boatshed bill wrote:We've had incredibly bad luck with injuries to goalkeepers, you can see why we signed Joe Hart at the time. Although would we have signed him had Lindegaard not injured himself?
The problem for any keeper out injured is how do you get back to your best without playing in games that test you at your highest level?
Personally I hope we keep both Nick Pope and Tom Heaton because they will be invaluable in our Championship campaign.
The rest can go for me!

I agree but with the exception that I would keep Linegaard, purely on his Aberdeen away appearance where I thought he looked most confident.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:41 pm

With a dislocated shoulder (See Charlie Austin) it would have been an enormous risk not to sign anyone had Heaton got a bad injury against Southampton on the opening day of the season had he played.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:50 pm

South West Claret. wrote:I agree but with the exception that I would keep Linegaard, purely on his Aberdeen away appearance where I thought he looked most confident.

I think we need another young goalie, myself.
Lindegaard did do ok vs Aberdeen, but our reserves must be costing a fortune!

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:03 pm

I’ve backed Joe Hart so far but for a big fella he gets beaten by pea rollers into the corners to regularly and he is undoubtedly glued to his line. This was Nick Popes biggest plus over Tom, he came and took everything in the air and gave confidence to his back 4.
Harts record since Pep got shut is atrocious.
People are forgetting that this downward spiral started last New Year and is not a 4 month problem.
What a wasted opportunity. We could have secured our PL future for 3 or more years with a couple of sound signings but I'm concerned we’ll become another of the clubs who go down and go through to Div.1.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:10 pm

Heaton must play sooner rather then later in my humble.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:12 pm

I would change the goalkeeper. Why?

1. Goalkeepers are very helpful in organising defences.
2. Our defences under Heaton and Pope were very organised.
3. Our defences under Hart are not organised.

Would it help? I don't know. Only one way to find out. But if we know that something is not working, then perhaps we could try something that might work.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:17 pm

I was in the 'not Harts fault' camp. But something is seriously wrong if you don't lose you spot after conceding 8 goals in 2 games. Time for Heaton or Pope.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:22 pm

Heaton let 6 in in last u23s game, threw 1 in at Burton and looked rusty in Athens.......get him in.

Volvoclaret · Post by **Volvoclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:25 pm

Heaton won't play for us again. Big fall out with Dyche. I won't go into details but blocked loan move to Champoinship side involved.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:27 pm

No one ever goes into details when they reckon they are in the know.

1fatclaret · Post by **1fatclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:28 pm

I call bullshit

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:30 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:No one ever goes into details when they reckon they are in the know.

Ironic as you talk a lot of details and know nothing

Volvoclaret · Post by **Volvoclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:32 pm

Sometimes not going into detail insures that the source is not identified.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:44 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:Heaton won't play for us again. Big fall out with Dyche. I won't go into details but blocked loan move to Champoinship side involved.

When was this blocked loan move? August?

1fatclaret · Post by **1fatclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:45 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:Sometimes not going into detail insures that the source is not identified.

Or the mention of protecting a source implies knowledge where there is absolutely none.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:47 pm

KlyBfc wrote:Not convinced labelling the goals Harts fault is correct. Should he have done better... yes. But a free header is firstly the defenders fault and secondly the keeper should come and claim, especially as they no by now he ain’t coming. Free kick awful and stupid challenge by Lowton , though with this one I’d agree whole heartedly he should save it. Fourth one looked to be an unpressured shot into the corner of the net (not down the middle or anything to suggest it’s a blooper).

I’m not actually against dropping him now as I think anyone of the 11 could be dropped after that, but to suggest it’s down to Harts means the rest of them are getting away absolutely Scot free when some of them have under performed / fallen below the standard for 12months (5 wins a row aside)

Spot on. He was poor today. But those in front of him, especially midfield have been consistently worse.

1fatclaret · Post by **1fatclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:51 pm

Don't think anyone is giving the rest of the team a free pass, but Hart has been, for me, woeful.

He makes saves, that's like a butcher cutting a half decent steak. It's his job. A bare minimum

He doesn't communicate. That's likw the same butcher being a miserable ****** so his customers stop going in.

He fails to come off his line, or catch a ball. That like the same butcher giving you a pound of liver and no bag to carry it home in.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:55 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:Heaton won't play for us again. Big fall out with Dyche. I won't go into details but blocked loan move to Champoinship side involved.

Completely backed up by the fact he has been on the bench as back up goalkeeper for most of the season, then? Presumably had Hart been injured or sent off, he would have sent Vydra on in goal?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:56 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Spot on. He was poor today. But those in front of him, especially midfield have been consistently worse.

But we might as well try something new.

If Pope comes in, does well - say in the next game and we manage to win then it completely alters our situation. We might suddenly become more confident and eek out more points than expected.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:56 pm

I've backed Hart every game until today. His inability to come for a simple cross cost us the first goal, his attempt to save the free kick was a joke. **** poor keeper who needs the boot, bonkers signing when the money needed to be spent elsewhere. He might do a job in midfield though

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 pm

Cheshireclaret wrote:Completely backed up by the fact he has been on the bench as back up goalkeeper for most of the season, then? Presumably had Hart been injured or sent off, he would have sent Vydra on in goal?

And that you can’t loan players to the championship until January.
Apart from that, I believe him.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:57 pm

Pope is the only person who should replace Hart, if anyone.

Heaton is yesterday’s man and showed zero promise in Europe anyway, it’s time for him to leave so our more deluded fans can try and focus on the real reasons for this mess.

Hard hitting truth.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:00 pm

SGr wrote:Pope is the only person who should replace Hart, if anyone.

Heaton is yesterday’s man and showed zero promise in Europe anyway, it’s time for him to leave so our more deluded fans can try and focus on the real reasons for this mess.

Hard hitting truth.

The real reasons for this mess are....

occ-claret · Post by **occ-claret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:01 pm

Hart does not breed confidence in our defence. As he never comes for the ball they have to always clear it. We would have still lost today with the other keepers but not by this score line. We have to change for the next game

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:11 pm

SGr wrote:Pope is the only person who should replace Hart, if anyone.

Heaton is yesterday’s man and showed zero promise in Europe anyway, it’s time for him to leave so our more deluded fans can try and focus on the real reasons for this mess.

Hard hitting truth.

Two European games and one cup tie is enough to right him off since his injury?

SpringHillClaret · Post by **SpringHillClaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:14 pm

Tom Heaton may well be a very important character in any aspirations we may have to stay in this division. Hart may be a better stopper but Heaton is clearly a leader in our dressing room.

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:18 pm

The person who needs removing from the club is who ever sanctioned paying Joe Harts mega multimillion salary and allowing him to sign such a long contract, he’s finished in the top flight and shouldn’t have been bought, if Sean Dyche sanctioned this deal he needs holding to account