Rooney's last cap ....

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Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:43 pm

What do you all think of the plan to give Wayne Rooney a final few minutes and a final Cap, during the friendly against the USA ?
An appropriate tribute to a genuine 3 Lions legend, or the ridiculous cheapening of the value of an International Cap for a player who won nothing in an England shirt ?

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:43 pm

Will it be a flat one ?

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Post by theroyaldyche » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:45 pm

Hes better than welbeck i tell ya that
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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:49 pm

Ridiculous. And I'm not saying that because he's a 5 star dickhead, it's because, it's ridiculous. Caps should be given out on merit.
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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by beddie » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:06 pm

It's a perfect opportunity to play our promising youngsters. Rooney has had his day and should be man enough to refuse the offer on both counts.

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Post by KefkaClaret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:13 pm

The game is supposed to raise over £500,000 for childrens charities but your right its cheapening a meaningless friendly.

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:15 pm

Makes a change from a Weetabix....

Liam Gallagher likened Rooney's head to a 'Ballon with a Weetabix on top'
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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:16 pm

In my humble view, and as with the agreement of our opponents, the FA should have arranged a guard of honour from the two teams, and the " Man of the hour " should have performed a ceremonial kick-off, and retired gracefully to the Stands to a standing ovation, job done !

Devalues a Cap, and the match ..... :x :x
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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:21 pm

it's for Charity and him playing will undoubtedly put bums on seats. Anyone who has an ounce of a problem with this must have a pretty perfect life

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:23 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:it's for Charity and him playing will undoubtedly put bums on seats. Anyone who has an ounce of a problem with this must have a pretty perfect life
Well if it's for charity they could have put a donkey on the pitch instead..
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Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:27 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:it's for Charity and him playing will undoubtedly put bums on seats. Anyone who has an ounce of a problem with this must have a pretty perfect life
So basically, "Agree with me, or be wrong".

Him playing for England isn't the problem. Raising money for charity is of couse brilliant. But he shouldn't receive a cap for it. That's what you're missing. It's not Christmas. Caps shouldn't be given out as gifts.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:29 pm

Bosscat wrote:Makes a change from a Weetabix....

Liam Gallagher likened Rooney's head to a 'Ballon with a Weetabix on top'
That's actually quite good for Liam.
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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:31 pm

I suppose the best option whilst playing Rooney to boost the money raised would be to give no caps, sort of downgrade the match status.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:35 pm

FactualFrank wrote:So basically, "Agree with me, or be wrong".

Him playing for England isn't the problem. Raising money for charity is of couse brilliant. But he shouldn't receive a cap for it. That's what you're missing. It's not Christmas. Caps shouldn't be given out as gifts.
I'm not missing it at all, your missing the point that if Rooney puts 5000 more bums on seats and that helps 1 person or 100 people then I couldn't give a toss if they give a cap, a trophy and an autographed shirt. Greater good is far more important than if Rooney has 119 or 120 after his name, so my point remains, if this is all a person has to complain about then they must have a ******* epic life

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I'm not missing it at all, your missing the point that if Rooney puts 5000 more bums on seats and that helps 1 person or 100 people then I couldn't give a toss if they give a cap, a trophy and an autographed shirt. Greater good is far more important than if Rooney has 119 or 120 after his name, so my point remains, if this is all a person has to complain about then they must have a ******* epic life
So you have missed the point.

I already said him playing for England is fine. The point isn't him actually playing for England, it's the fact he's receiving another cap for it. He shouldn't be given a cap. There's an argument that a cap shouldn't even be awarded for friendlies anyway.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:42 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I'm not missing it at all, your missing the point that if Rooney puts 5000 more bums on seats and that helps 1 person or 100 people then I couldn't give a toss if they give a cap, a trophy and an autographed shirt. Greater good is far more important than if Rooney has 119 or 120 after his name, so my point remains, if this is all a person has to complain about then they must have a ******* epic life
So, a Richard Branson type rocks up ..... " My son always wanted to play professional football, and is currently playing for Chesterfield in the Conference " I'll donate £ 6m to this very worthy cause, if my son gets 6 minutes playing for England " ... Should he play because of the greater good ?? Of course not !

The old quote about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing springs to mind ! ;)
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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:43 pm

FactualFrank wrote:So you have missed the point.

I already said him playing for England is fine. The point isn't him actually playing for England, it's the fact he's receiving another cap for it. He shouldn't be given a cap. There's an argument that a cap shouldn't even be awarded for friendlies anyway.
No, I answered that above, very very clearly Frank.
The fact you are putting a poxy England cap above the welfare of other less fortunate human beings tells me all I need to know

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:45 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:No, I answered that above, very very clearly Frank.
The fact you are putting a poxy England cap above the welfare of other less fortunate human beings tells me all I need to know
I must be typing Chinese, if you don't get the point. Not sure how else I can explain it.

Raising money for charity = brilliant.
Playing for England again = no problem, it's a friendly, afterall
Receiving another cap = no

Now you're either thick, or you're pretending to be thick. You have 2 options - choose one.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:46 pm

Clarets4me wrote:So, a Richard Branson type rocks up ..... " My son always wanted to play professional football, and is currently playing for Chesterfield in the Conference " I'll donate £ 6m to this very worthy cause, if my son gets 6 minutes playing for England " ... Should he play because of the greater good ?? Of course not !

The old quote about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing springs to mind ! ;)
It's a friendly, it's irrelevant. I'll ask you the same question - would you rather someone give 6 million quid to have someone play in a mickey mouse game but it saves a dozen lives or would you rather just have those dozen people die ?

I know which I'd prefer, we all complain that football players are loaded and they give nothing back and when the opportunity arrives people are bitching that they get caps for it.

Wonder how many of you burst into tears when you didn't get a gold star at school ?

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:48 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I must be typing Chinese, if you don't get the point. Not sure how else I can explain it.

Raising money for charity = brilliant.
Playing for England again = no problem, it's a friendly, afterall
Receiving another cap = no

Now you're either thick, or you're pretending to be thick. You have 2 options - choose one.
not being thick, completely understand your point - you are missing mine though. Why does a person receiving a cap at the cost of saving peoples lives upset you so much ? It's a nothing game, giving them a cap or not doesn't make a difference to the person in hospital requiring treatment, no idea why it makes a difference to you ?

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by DustyBawls » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:50 pm

Pretty straight forward VC frank is saying its all about the cap. As in everything else is fine he just shouldn't be awarded the cap as hes not playing due to Southgate selecting him due to his performances. I tend to agree.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:52 pm

It doesn't upset me. I'm chilled out watching the snooker. A cap is a big thing for international footballers. What should happen is he plays, raises loads of money for charity, but the cap isn't added to his career stats.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:54 pm

What are Southgate's views on this? I'd imagine he wouldn't be keen as he's been very proactive about phasing out the old guard.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by taio » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:55 pm

In my view it's wrong and devalues playing for England.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:01 pm

DustyBawls wrote:Pretty straight forward VC frank is saying its all about the cap. As in everything else is fine he just shouldn't be awarded the cap as hes not playing due to Southgate selecting him due to his performances. I tend to agree.
Yeah well aware of that and 100% understand his point, I just think when a persons life is at stake then it's far more important than if a player gets a cap - it pales into insignificance.

Anyway, I'm gonna watch the footy now :)

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by bfcjg » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:37 pm

His last cap was a flat rubber thing the shape of his head with hairs attached to it,some people actually call them wigs. Anyway he had a hair transplant so the "cap " is now back in the wardrobe.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:41 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Well if it's for charity they could have put a donkey on the pitch instead..
Donkey wasn't available, that's why they asked Shrek.
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Post by Pimlico_Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:20 pm

First World problems, pathetic really when looked at in context.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by ClaretFelix » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:50 pm

I don't see a problem with it. First and foremost it's for a fabulous cause.

Next thing, whilst he is no doubt playing in an inferior league against lesser opposition, he's been playing 90 minutes every week, scoring goals and creating numerous chances for others.
It's not like he's being wheeled out from round the pool in Dubai after retiring from playing completely.
Not many other front men, other than Callum Wilson are pushing themselves forwards for a place in the team/squad to compete with Kane are they?

The American team will be littered with players from MLS, which, with the added interest of Rooney playing will guarantee a full house at Wembley and hopefully a better atmosphere than of late.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:56 pm

My last word as it might be a generational thing ...... I'm 54, and an International Cap used to mean you were probably the best available player in your Country to play in that game on that day. This counted for a lot ...
I played to a reasonable standard of Rugby Union and turned out with & against various current, past, and future Internationals .... Wade Dooley, Will Carling, Bob Kimmins, Jim Sydall, David Sole, Jonathan Webb, Will Greenwood & Jock Hobbs amongst others and always felt it to be an honour to play against them ...

I can see the Charity angle, but still, it just doesn't sit well with me ..... that said, it'd be a dull old world if we all thought the same !!

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by Foulthrow » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:03 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Ridiculous. And I'm not saying that because he's a 5 star dickhead, it's because, it's ridiculous. Caps should be given out on merit.
This deserved two likes - one for the sentiment of the post and a second for the brilliant phrase "a five star dickhead". Which he is.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by JohnMac » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:36 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Well if it's for charity they could have put a donkey on the pitch instead..
Unfortunately Emile was unavailable.

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Post by elwaclaret » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:43 pm

Robbing someone else of a cap that they deserved. Very wrong.

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Post by NottsClaret » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:55 pm

It'll feel a bit like one of those charity do's with Olly Murs and Paddy McGuiness.

Maybe this is the future for friendlies that aren't even Nations League games. Does anyone still watch these games anyway?

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Post by claretblue » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:13 am

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Post by BurnleyFC » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:21 am

David Nugent got an England cap so I’ve no problem with England’s all time leading goal scorer earning another.

Besides, he’s still better than half the squad anyway.

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Post by IanMcL » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:08 pm

Misuse of a football match.

In the old days, a match given charity status might be kicked off by a Royal/Celebrity/Firmer player of note etc. They did not get a cap for it!

To think of players like Jimmy Adamson, who never got a cap...and then you are offered this.

Poor.

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Re: Rooney's last cap ....

Post by tiger76 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:19 pm

I guess Rooney will only play a small part in proceedings anyway,so it shouldn't affect preparations for the rest of the squad.

Welbeck injured tonight in the Arsenal game,so he will be out of the squad now.

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