People burning a Grenfell Tower effigy

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:11 pm

Why have the people that have done this thought it was appropriate? And to have brown figures in the effigy as they burn it.

I'm not calling for any punishment because they are free to do what they want but the blatant racism and disrespect is disgusting.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:16 pm

Is it too soon?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:20 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Why have the people that have done this thought it was appropriate? And to have brown figures in the effigy as they burn it.

I'm not calling for any punishment because they are free to do what they want but the blatant racism and disrespect is disgusting.

Regardless of the colours of the figures they are complete idiots and want sorting out.

What would make anybody with half a brain cell do what they have done?

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:20 pm

Don't worry,Scotland yard are on their case..Disgusting

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:26 pm

The level some human beings will sink too and the obsession they have with feeling the need to film it and share it with the world. Weird.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:31 pm

It’s on par with those that burn the Union Jack.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:33 pm

Right_winger wrote:It’s on par with those that burn the Union Jack.

Lol. ok.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:35 pm

Certainly a case of spot the brain cell.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:38 pm

Is it in bad taste? Yes. Would I do it? No. Has a crime been commited? No. Have the police got better things to do? Yes. After the Challanger disaster did anyone make the joke about what NASA stands for? I'm tired of being told that I should be outraged

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:41 pm

Plus these sh*t stains have now got the publicity they were probably seeking when they posted it online.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:58 pm

Right_winger wrote:It’s on par with those that burn the Union Jack.

Its not though, is it?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:06 pm

What a scumbag thing to do, however, we'd need a massive police force if we are going to start prosecuting every bellend in the UK.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:17 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:Its not though, is it?

Maybe he thinks a flag is on a par with a poor person's life in terms of importance.
He's a bit weird.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:21 pm

I do wonder what these lowlifes could possibly contribute to a decent society and wouldnt mind seeing them given a sentence of hard labour building a school for some poor deprived kids in Africa, or Blackburn, but that may be why im not in charge

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:21 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Don't worry,Scotland yard are on their case..Disgusting

of course.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:31 pm

I hear jimmy savilles been seen at deadwood

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:41 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Maybe he thinks a flag is on a par with a poor person's life in terms of importance.
He's a bit weird.

It’s what the effigy represents. I’m not condoning it just that it’s on par with those who burn our flag out of pure hatred.

Nice to see the usual suspects Produce their usual faux outrage whilst not fully understanding what they are talking about.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:42 pm

Right_winger wrote:It’s what the effigy represents. I’m not condoning it just that it’s on par with those who burn our flag out of pure hatred.

Nice to see the usual suspects Produce their usual faux outrage whilst not fully understanding what they are talking about.

The flag can represent lots of different things to different people. An effigy where people burned to death, in a poor area of the country, a lot of whom were of colour, is just pure malicious and disgusting and nothing akin to burning a flag.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:45 pm

You just cannot get much lower . What goes through people's mind?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:51 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:The flag can represent lots of different things to different people. An effigy where people burned to death, in a poor area of the country, a lot of whom were of colour, is just pure malicious and disgusting and nothing akin to burning a flag.

What’s people of colour got to do with anything in this instance? Apart from being used as a trump card yet again.

Anyway clearly spectacularly missed the point as expected. My bad it may have been a tad leading. Certainly haven’t disappointed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:52 pm

Right_winger wrote:It’s what the effigy represents. I’m not condoning it just that it’s on par with those who burn our flag out of pure hatred.

Nice to see the usual suspects Produce their usual faux outrage whilst not fully understanding what they are talking about.

i'm not outraged. I was a little bit out of order though.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:06 pm

Quite surprised that anyone capable of such crass stupidity, can actually master fire!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:09 pm

Caballo wrote:Quite surprised that anyone capable of such crass stupidity, can actually master fire!

tbf if the material components of the effigy are accurate then they could just point it to sunlight.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:09 pm

I can imagine 1 brain dead idiot amongst a large circle of friends and family thinking this would be a funny thing to do. What I don't get is that everyone on the video seemed to be amused by it.
What a bunch of cretins

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:34 pm

Right_winger wrote:What’s people of colour got to do with anything in this instance? Apart from being used as a trump card yet again.

Anyway clearly spectacularly missed the point as expected. My bad it may have been a tad leading. Certainly haven’t disappointed.

The colour of the people used in the effigy.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:10 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:The colour of the people used in the effigy.

I saw a white one in there too.

But that one was okay.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:23 pm

it isnt in the least bit surprising unfortunately.
social media displays atrocious abuse and similarly despicable behaviour on a daily basis.
Sign of the times, every single news story has comments which are often vile. Its the nature of the medium,. sadly the country has thousands and thousands of people who are debased enough to post virtually anything about anybody.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:24 pm

They're just not very bright.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:58 pm

I’ve noticed with this one the first thing a weirdly large proportion of people think to do upon seeing it is call for them not to be done for it. Literally the first reaction.

Hmmmmmmmm

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:07 am

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky ... o-11545938" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another example of our police state arresting people for non-crimes motivated by political pressure. A society without the freedom to offend is not free.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:33 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky ... o-11545938

Another example of our police state arresting people for non-crimes motivated by political pressure. A society without the freedom to offend is not free.

I thought you were in favour of locking up extremists for things that aren't crimes.

It's a shame you aren't consistent because then we could be allies against this sort of thing.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:42 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I thought you were in favour of locking up extremists for things that aren't crimes.

It's a shame you aren't consistent because then we could be allies against this sort of thing.

Seems you don't care in this instance either so same goes back to you.

Difference is this one is obviously a distasteful joke, the ones you defend want to kill people and take steps to ensure that happens.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:45 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Seems you don't care in this instance ...

Oh?

Difference is this one is obviously a distasteful joke, the ones you defend want to kill people and take steps to ensure that happens.

The ones i "defend", as you falsely put it, only hold extreme views. If they had taken steps to ensure that people are killed then that would be a crime.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:46 am

It's ok Moffitt, you can do your bit to help here if you've anything left over after freeing Tommy.

http://www.gofundme.com/bunchofdickheads" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:48 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I thought you were in favour of locking up extremists for things that aren't crimes.

It's a shame you aren't consistent because then we could be allies against this sort of thing.

I'm pretty sure Moffitt wants to lock up anyone who shares particular characteristics with extremists, just to be on the safe side.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:57 am

So a bad taste joke is a hate crime now , sad times indeed.a few bellends seems to have got the snowflakes into some spluttering Uber meltdown . I wonder if bad taste effigies have ever been burnt on Nov 5th before?

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:58 am

It's described a few times in various articles as a "hateful" act, which presumably is the only legal course of prosecution. But it's not born of hate, it's born of ignorance and stupidity. As someone else says if you were to prosecute here you're on very dodgy ground. It's absolutely dispicable what they did, and in very poor taste. But that's all. Their arrest, based on that social media video and subsequent collective mob pressure, feels a little bit 1984 to me.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:00 am

willsclarets wrote:It's described a few times in various articles as a "hateful" act, which presumably is the only legal course of prosecution. But it's not born of hate, it's born of ignorance and stupidity. As someone else says if you were to prosecute here you're on very dodgy ground. It's absolutely dispicable what they did, and in very poor taste. But that's all. Their arrest, based on that social media video and subsequent collective mob pressure, feels a little bit 1984 to me.

Being offensive is a crime now.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:02 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Being offensive is a crime now.

Thanks to people like you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:08 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Thanks to people like you.

I love how in the view of the morons it's always the liberals who are responsible for illiberalism.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:24 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Being offensive is a crime now.

As a matter of interest I wonder if you was offended when effigies of Margaret Thatcher were burnt after her death after all she left behind living relatives.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:34 am

Apparently five numpties have handed themselves in at a police station.

They have been arrested but not charged.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:39 am

Dy1geo wrote:As a matter of interest I wonder if you was offended when effigies of Margaret Thatcher were burnt after her death after all she left behind living relatives.

No. But it takes quite a lot to offend me.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:41 am

How would some of you feel if they were taking the p*ss out of the victims of the Manchester arena bombing?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:45 am

Damo wrote:How would some of you feel if they were taking the p*ss out of the victims of the Manchester arena bombing?

I would think they were just as much a set of c*nts.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:03 am

The problem is that it was shared online. Amongst friends, privately it’s just a sick joke. But people can’t help themselves these days.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:09 am

It's not a question of how I feel when applying the law, which in a liberal democracy is sacrosanct. I feel exactly the same as IT with regards to the Manchester bombing, but I wouldn't want those responsible prosecuted.
You have to ask yourself what the motivation was for building that awful effigy, and deciding it was fine and dandy to post on social media. Was their motivation a hatred of the victims and their families and finding a way to influence and spread that hatred? Or was it a complete lack of empathy, a massive misjudgment based on ignorance and a horrible sense of humour?
The moment you start arresting people for the latter you are in dangerous territory. Regardless of the ideological pitfalls our jails are full enough.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:15 am

claptrappers_union wrote:The problem is that it was shared online. Amongst friends, privately it’s just a sick joke. But people can’t help themselves these days.

This is it the need people feel to share the most strangest things. Imagine been identified for something like this and having to walk into work the next day.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:18 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:This is it the need people feel to share the most strangest things. Imagine been identified for something like this and having to walk into work the next day.

Exactly, society has already judged these morons. Name and shame these idiots, they will have to live with their own stupidity, but using the law seems a step too far.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:19 am

Damo wrote:How would some of you feel if they were taking the p*ss out of the victims of the Manchester arena bombing?

I'd be furious but I sure as **** wouldn't be calling for arrests

Truth is though I don't think there would be any. The one reason this has resulted in arrests is because they painted most of their little paper faces brown. That's it. If they didn't do that, nobody would have ever heard about this.