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Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:20 pm

Spot on with what he’s said
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:21 pm

About? I have the snooker on, on ITV4.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:22 pm

You missed a great insight then

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:24 pm

About?

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:25 pm

Agreed with what he said...(and something he inferred is that Tarks is getting too big for his boots)...
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Stan Tastic » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:26 pm

Less running, less sprints is worrying considering that's always been a given under Dyche. A good analysis by Carragher, the stats don't lie.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:26 pm

FactualFrank wrote:About?
It’s on Sky

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:27 pm

Rift between Dyche and Woan for a start

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Paddy1882 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:29 pm

The clip of that second goal where Tarks was talking to Ian woan when the ball was in play was difficult to watch.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:29 pm

But the happy clappers keep telling us everything is fine? Don't know whether to believe them or an impartial observer who has played hundreds of games at the highest level.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Carport » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:30 pm

Yes totally agree with what he said. Highlighted that Burnley were top of the league last season when it came to wins by one goal margin (12) which can easily end up as nil nil draws or defeats, That we’ve gone from being second in the league last season on conceding four or more goals to being bottom of the league in that respect this season. Also now worst when it comes to big chances conceded and shots on target faced and 19th on goals conceded and expected goals against. We all know performance has been under par but interesting to see this analysis.
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by basil6345789 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:31 pm

If Tarks is getting complacent and not fully fit, then = problems.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Murger » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:31 pm

joey13 wrote:Rift between Dyche and Woan for a start
There's a rift between Dyche and Woan?

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:31 pm

Carport wrote:Yes totally agree with what he said. Highlighted that Burnley were top of the league last season when it came to wins by one goal margin (12) which can easily end up as nil nil draws or defeats, That we’ve gone from being second in the league last season on conceding four or more goals to being bottom of the league in that respect this season. Also now worst when it comes to big chances conceded and shots on target faced and 19th on goals conceded and expected goals against. We all know performance has been under par but interesting to see this analysis.
Thanks.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:32 pm

Most players carrying an injury, do fewer sprints.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:32 pm

joey13 wrote:It’s on Sky

You've started the thread. Some people arn't or can't watch sky. Just tell us.
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:37 pm

The point about nicking games by the odd goal is a good one. I've lost count the amount of games I've come off under Dyche and thought "how the hell did we win that"? It's easy to see how quickly that can turn around.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:41 pm

jrgbfc wrote:The point about nicking games by the odd goal is a good one. I've lost count the amount of games I've come off under Dyche and thought "how the hell did we win that"? It's easy to see how quickly that can turn around.
I don't think it's luck when you win so many by narrow margins. I think it's because last season we had one of the best conversion rates compared to chances created. We didn't have that many but missed very few easy chances.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:42 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:You've started the thread. Some people arn't or can't watch sky. Just tell us.
I’ll try to find a link , it will take too long to type it

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:43 pm

Rift between Dyche and Woan??

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:46 pm

If I was Dyche I would have been fuming with Woan , very unprofessional

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Bosscat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:48 pm

joey13 wrote:If I was Dyche I would have been fuming with Woan , very unprofessional
??????????

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:53 pm

Calling it a 'rift' is a bit sensational, to be honest. For those not watching, they showed a clip from the match, Woan was speaking to Tarky at the moment of a throw in, Dyche points for Tarky to get closer to his man, possession turns over, Tarky's positioning is a bit off because he was speaking to Woan, he over-commits to a challenge, ballses it up and leaves Anderson with loads of space, scores. Dyche has a bit of a pop at Woan. Absolutely no suggestion or evidence that there's a rift.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:54 pm

joey13 wrote:Rift between Dyche and Woan for a start
Dyche was annoyed with him. Not sure you’d call it a rift.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by claretburns » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:56 pm

Can we stop talking about this apparent rift between Woan and Dyche as if everyone knows what has happened, just tell us all, who don't know, what the apparent issue is??

Edit: Thank you Spiral.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:57 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Dyche was annoyed with him. Not sure you’d call it a rift.
He probably wouldn't have minded but Woan was asking him about his new car.
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:58 pm

Spiral wrote:Calling it a 'rift' is a bit sensational, to be honest. For those not watching, they showed a clip from the match, Woan was speaking to Tarky at the moment of a throw in, Dyche points for Tarky to get closer to his man, possession turns over, Tarky's positioning is a bit off because he was speaking to Woan, he over-commits to a challenge, ballses it up and leaves Anderson with loads of space, scores. Dyche has a bit of a pop at Woan. Absolutely no suggestion or evidence that there's a rift.
Even when you see the evidence you still can’t accept it
Looks like a major issue to me and yes rift

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Spiral » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:02 pm

God forbid a manager castigates his subordinate when he acts irresponsibly. To be quite honest I'd have a grievance with Dyche were he more blase about it all.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:04 pm

joey13 wrote:Even when you see the evidence you still can’t accept it
Looks like a major issue to me and yes rift
You sound like one of those cranks who has convinced themselves that they've seen a Bigfoot
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:04 pm

It was a one off incident during the game ffs.
As much as some people on this board would want it to be it was not a rift...they had words.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:06 pm

jrgbfc wrote:The point about nicking games by the odd goal is a good one. I've lost count the amount of games I've come off under Dyche and thought "how the hell did we win that"? It's easy to see how quickly that can turn around.
I know you have “lost count” that there has been so many of these but can you name a few.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:06 pm

Whilst it’s a big concern that something is wrong in the “group” that is not evidence of it.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Paddy1882 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:07 pm

just a good old fashioned rollicking... make a mistake, get a telling off and move on. That’s football

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by DCWat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:13 pm

joey13 wrote:Even when you see the evidence you still can’t accept it
Looks like a major issue to me and yes rift
Arguments will be a daily occurrence, particularly during difficult spells or when issues occur. There’s a huge difference though between an argument or being castigated to a rift and / or major issue.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:17 pm

After West Ham scored their first goal , 5 players with their heads in their hands after 10 minutes, still nothing wrong at the club

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:22 pm

joey13 wrote:After West Ham scored their first goal , 5 players with their heads in their hands after 10 minutes, still nothing wrong at the club
I'd be more concerned if they'd joined in the celebrations
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by DCWat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:22 pm

joey13 wrote:After West Ham scored their first goal , 5 players with their heads in their hands after 10 minutes, still nothing wrong at the club
Something isn’t right and there are certainly issues that need to be resolved but I think you’re clutching at straws with this example.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:23 pm

TVC15 wrote:I know you have “lost count” that there has been so many of these but can you name a few.
Palace at home and Watford away last season spring to mind immediately. Liverpool away we scored with pretty much our only effort on target and somehow clung on for a point. Everton at home the year Arfield scored the winner we got absolutely battered. Both wins against our friends down the road the year we won the league. I could give you plenty more but I've got better things to do.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by KlyBfc » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:24 pm

It’s all Joe Harts fault.... he should be shouting sprint, sprint at them all

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:27 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Palace at home and Watford away last season spring to mind immediately. Liverpool away we scored with pretty much our only effort on target and somehow clung on for a point. Everton at home the year Arfield scored the winner we got absolutely battered. Both wins against our friends down the road the year we won the league. I could give you plenty more but I've got better things to do.
The Watford game was not luck at all. They were in control until we brought on Vokes. Thereafter they completely collapsed and couldn't cope with us and it ended up being a fairly comfortable victory once we'd gone in front.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by bfcjg » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:32 pm

If we are not careful it's going to become a self fulfilling prophecy. Rift created because we keep talking about it,players falling out because we keep talking about it, players falling out with Dyche because we keep talking about it and ultimately relegation because it's been on the cards all season because we kept on talking about it.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by paulatky » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:32 pm

Watching the matches live it was obvious,but good now the stats back it up.

Some of us have said it many times before this season and been shot down in flames for saying it.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:34 pm

Seems we are all desperate to find a problem and someone to blame.

Perhaps there are more productive things we could be doing?

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:36 pm

bfcjg wrote:If we are not careful it's going to become a self fulfilling prophecy. Rift created because we keep talking about it,players falling out because we keep talking about it, players falling out with Dyche because we keep talking about it and ultimately relegation because it's been on the cards all season because we kept on talking about it.
Yes it’s the fans fault obviously

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:36 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Seems we are all desperate to find a problem and someone to blame.

Perhaps there are more productive things we could be doing?
Like what ?

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:40 pm

joey13 wrote:Like what ?
Perhaps by getting behind the team or even at a stretch avoid a witch hunt and making up loads of crap?

Just a thought.

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:42 pm

joey13 wrote:Like what ?
Baking a cake or maybe painting a picture.
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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by joey13 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:47 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Perhaps by getting behind the team or even at a stretch avoid a witch hunt and making up loads of crap?

Just a thought.
Yes because I made it all up , it wasn’t on Sky and Jamie Carragher doesn’t exist

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:53 pm

joey13 wrote:Yes because I made it all up , it wasn’t on Sky and Jamie Carragher doesn’t exist
Didn’t realise a Carragher was so close to the club. Assumed he was just filling a few minutes on MNF.

You’re probably right, we should believe these people and try and exaggerate what they say.

We have found a broom so let’s start the witch-hunt.

Edit: typed in carragher and it was changed to stranger. Ironic

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Re: Jamie Carragher

Post by ewanrob » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:57 pm

So where's the link, very strange end to that thread

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