Team Lineup

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:02 pm

Definition of stupid is when you keep doing the same thing that doesn’t work, time after time. Lennon starts with Brady on the bench

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:03 pm

He’s not learnt we Will get screwed at 442.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:05 pm

Poor looking team.
Almost no creativity at all.

Gonna be a long afternoon

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:07 pm

Lennon starting and Brady on the bench is a joke. Plus, having two similar players up front is nonsense. Why does Dyche never get it right? I hope I am proved wrong, but I can't see it.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:13 pm

Dreading the game even more now

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:14 pm

Lennon contributes sweet f a as far as attacking mode goes, but his contribution
to assisting the defence is second to none.

Thereby hangs our perceived problems with the current philosophy of "we must not lose"
as opposed to "we must win"

That's my two pennuth, for what it's worth.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:16 pm

Anyway. We Won’t keep the ball. They’ll cut through us like butter. Once 2 goals up our heads will drop and they’ll be playing for the chairman.

Off to the ground. See you later. Dy......

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:21 pm

I really can't understand this. Brady looked just so sharp when he started a couple of weeks ago.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:22 pm

Old habits die hard. Lennon has been completely ineffective and Brady would be a better option. Do not like two immobile statuesque players up front together either. I would have shored up the midfield.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:24 pm

To be honest I was expecting him to start Hendrick behind Vokes, so from where I’m sitting that lineup is a pleasant surprise

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:24 pm

2 Big men up front, defensive winger on the pitch..... looks like play it back and BIG hoof over midfield to me

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:25 pm

Dyche has lost the plot ? Or a genius?
Wood and Vokes together

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:26 pm

Lennon has been picked purely to try and keep a check on Ben Chilwell - which he will fail to do.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:27 pm

MRG wrote:Definition of stupid is when you keep doing the same thing that doesn’t work, time after time. Lennon starts with Brady on the bench

Brady was crap last week.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:27 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:2 Big men up front, defensive winger on the pitch..... looks like play it back and BIG hoof over midfield to me

Makes me wonder why he’s bothered starting Defour tbh

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:29 pm

How long have we waited for Brady to be fit again?

Now he's ready and still can't get in.

Beggars belief Mr. Dyche.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:30 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Lennon starting and Brady on the bench is a joke. Plus, having two similar players up front is nonsense. Why does Dyche never get it right? I hope I am proved wrong, but I can't see it.

I think it is fair to say thats a slight exaggeration and he has got it right far more than he hasnt in the last 6 years.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:36 pm

Wood and Vokes has never worked as a pairing previously, surely worth giving Vydra another chance?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:36 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:How long have we waited for Brady to be fit again?

Now he's ready and still can't get in.

Beggars belief Mr. Dyche.

With Tarkowski out its critical we have someone who can help Lowton out down the right. Chillwell and co will be at him constantly.

We need to play to our strengths. And thats a narrow back four and midfield four right now and try and nick a win.

Lennon offers us more defensively than Brady. He is quicker to track back and has been disciplined in this position.

Ultimately we want to see more creativity and attacking - I am the same. But right now we have to play to our strengths.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:37 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:2 Big men up front, defensive winger on the pitch..... looks like play it back and BIG hoof over midfield to me

Ultimately that is our strength right now. If we try and play football against a team like Leicester who are quick and will be in our faces we will get ripped apart. We may well still. But this is our best chance to get something.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:45 pm

Still can't see what at least 4 other managers have seen with Hart.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:49 pm

It's definitely not the team I'd have picked and I'm a bit worried about Defour and Cork in a midfield 2, but the number of people on this thread - including some normally reasoned posters - who are queuing up to pan the manager as an ignorant buffoon is a bit mad really.

I assume the logic is that Wood can run the channels, especially in behind Chilwell, whilst Vokes gives another option to go into the front player early. Despite all the mud thrown to the contrary, ironically enough our biggest problem recently has often been playing too much football in our own half. We've been getting pressed high up the pitch and lacking options to get into the opposition half and relieve pressure - we've been dispossessed in our own half for about 3 or possibly 4 goals in the last week. Quite obviously, the idea of playing Wood and Vokes is to address this.

Likewise, the abuse Lennon is getting is getting pretty appalling. So much for players and fans pulling the same way. He'll work hard, give us pace on the counter, and if he's on the right he'll be intended to do a job on the attack minded Chilwell.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:51 pm

Hoooooooof

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:52 pm

claretspice wrote:It's definitely not the team I'd have picked and I'm a bit worried about Defour and Cork in a midfield 2, but the number of people on this thread - including some normally reasoned posters - who are queuing up to pan the manager as an ignorant buffoon is a bit mad really.

I assume the logic is that Wood can run the channels, especially in behind Chilwell, whilst Vokes gives another option to go into the front player early. Despite all the mud thrown to the contrary, ironically enough our biggest problem recently has often been getting pressed high up the pitch and lacking options to get into the opposition half and relieve pressure - we've been dispossessed in our own half for about 3 or possibly 4 goals in the last week. Quite obviously, the idea of playing Wood and Vokes is to address this.

Likewise, the abuse Lennon is getting is getting pretty appalling. So much for players and fans pulling the same way.

Spot on.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:53 pm

"the abuse Lennon is getting is getting pretty appalling" because other than the Bournemouth game he's done the best part of Jack $hit since he was signed!

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:55 pm

They are playing 3 in the midfield so it would appear the plan is to bypass them 3 when we have the ball. I sort of think if Wes Morgan is good at anything it is heading balls back to where they came from. Our lack of pace in the forward areas is really causing us problems this season.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:56 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:"the abuse Lennon is getting is getting pretty appalling" because other than the Bournemouth game he's done the best part of Jack $hit since he was signed!

Well, firstly I don't completely agree with that (though no-one would suggest he's exactly torn it up), but secondly, the idea that panning him is going to help get the best out of him is just thick.

Even if he's not your favourite player, see the positives of what he does - carries the ball well, works bloody hard defensively, I could go on - and back him.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:57 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:They are playing 3 in the midfield so it would appear the plan is to bypass them 3 when we have the ball. I sort of think if Wes Morgan is good at anything it is heading balls back to where they came from. Our lack of pace in the forward areas is really causing us problems this season.

Not sure they are playing 3 in midfield, but leaving that aside, I suspect our plan will be to sit deep, get organised in 2 banks of four and hit Leicester on the counter attack. Morgan is getting on these days, Evans isn't that quick and can be bullied one v one, and they do like to push their full backs on, and they're going to be playing on adrenalin today. Whilst you say we lack pace in attack, Wood is deceptively quick and excellent at running the channels, and Lennon also gives pace on the break.

Playing a counter attacking 4-4-2 doesn't necessarily involve by-passing midfield. It involves moving the ball fast to exploit space.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:58 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Our lack of pace in the forward areas is really causing us problems this season.

But we've never had much pace for all the time SD has been here.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:02 pm

Claretspice, Lennon carries the ball well back towards our own goal but I don't dispute that he works hard.
With due respect we have may a difference on opinion here, but please do not insinuate that I'm thick for no other reason than the fact we disagree

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:06 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Carry's the ball well back towards our own goal but I don't dispute that he works hard.
With due respect we have may a difference on opinion here, but please do not insinuate that I'm thick for no other reason than the fact we disagree

I didn't. I suggested that it was thick for anyone to pan Lennon just because (despite evident effort) he's not hit his best form. I've no idea whether you fall into that camp or not. If you don't rate Lennon, no problem - that's opinions; it's how scathing and personal the criticism of certain players has become that I'm uncomfortable with.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:18 pm

claretspice wrote:I didn't. I suggested that it was thick for anyone to pan Lennon just because (despite evident effort) he's not hit his best form. I've no idea whether you fall into that camp or not. If you don't rate Lennon, no problem - that's opinions; it's how scathing and personal the criticism of certain players has become that I'm uncomfortable with.

I found myself firmly in the camp excited when we signed Lennon, but from my point of view he offers little week in week out. It may be down to the way SD asks him to play, I have no idea, but I'd much rather have seen Brady on the pitch today. The negative football we serve up is be the main reason players are being challenged.

MattBFC · Post by **MattBFC** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:46 pm

Ok, so another game and we’ve still not yet started with our most effective forward line; Barnes and Wood. I think Barnes must have really annoyed someone at the club in pre-season as to have reached November and not started our proven strike force together once is ridiculous

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:52 pm

Spijed wrote:But we've never had much pace for all the time SD has been here.

Ings and Gray were quick.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:56 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Ings and Gray were quick.

To be fair a combination of those player only covered the first 5 seasons Dyche was manager here

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:57 pm

deanothedino wrote:Brady was crap last week.

Lennon has been crap all season

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:00 pm

MRG wrote:Lennon has been crap all season

Apart from Bournemouth, yes.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:02 pm

Perhaps we're just not good enough, full stop. Regardless of what our starting lineup is.

I don't see it changing until we make 2-3 signings. If that's next summer, then it will be in prep for the Championship season. If it's January, it might be enough to save us.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:03 pm

claretspice wrote:It's definitely not the team I'd have picked and I'm a bit worried about Defour and Cork in a midfield 2, but the number of people on this thread - including some normally reasoned posters - who are queuing up to pan the manager as an ignorant buffoon is a bit mad really.

I assume the logic is that Wood can run the channels, especially in behind Chilwell, whilst Vokes gives another option to go into the front player early. Despite all the mud thrown to the contrary, ironically enough our biggest problem recently has often been playing too much football in our own half. We've been getting pressed high up the pitch and lacking options to get into the opposition half and relieve pressure - we've been dispossessed in our own half for about 3 or possibly 4 goals in the last week. Quite obviously, the idea of playing Wood and Vokes is to address this.

Likewise, the abuse Lennon is getting is getting pretty appalling. So much for players and fans pulling the same way. He'll work hard, give us pace on the counter, and if he's on the right he'll be intended to do a job on the attack minded Chilwell.

All due respect but you're in a very small minority if you think our biggest problem is playing too much football in our own half or anywhere on the pitch for that matter. Last season we started to play some decent football at times but this season has been appalling in terms of passing play.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:26 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:All due respect but you're in a very small minority if you think our biggest problem is playing too much football in our own half or anywhere on the pitch for that matter. Last season we started to play some decent football at times but this season has been appalling in terms of passing play.

Don’t think he is actually - losing the ball in our own half has cost us more goals this season than any other under SD. Look at the games against Wolves, Fulham, West Ham and Chelsea in particular. When we were losing the ball in these games the opposition broke with pace and with overlapping full backs we were getting out numbered on numerous occasions. Almost impossible for our defence to prevent goals in this league when you are out numbered.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:36 pm

I know where you're coming from but the errors weren't a result of over playing. They were just poor passes. Unless over playing for us is about 6 passes which I think is as many as I've seen this season.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:52 pm

And the team selected by the manager has worked. We've got a really important point and stopped the rot. After a slightly dicey first half hour, it sounds as though we've been pretty solid and made it a pretty even game.

He's not completely daft, this manager of ours.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:52 pm

Sorry didn’t see the bit about over playing. Think it’s been a mixture of sloppiness, over running the ball, poor decision making and in some cases over playing.
The Hendrick mistake v Chelsea was over playing for sure.

The other thing we are of course missing here is that teams like Chelsea force you into mistakes with the best pressing players in the world like Kante....not really sure there is much we can do against players of his quality other than snap his legs in the first 5 mins !!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:53 pm

TVC15 wrote:Don’t think he is actually - losing the ball in our own half has cost us more goals this season than any other under SD. Look at the games against Wolves, Fulham, West Ham and Chelsea in particular. When we were losing the ball in these games the opposition broke with pace and with overlapping full backs we were getting out numbered on numerous occasions. Almost impossible for our defence to prevent goals in this league when you are out numbered.

Correct. Generally as a result of the ball going across the back, and not having sufficient outlets further up the pitch to enable us to move the ball beyond the opposition midfield line. If you can't break the opposition defensive line when you have possession, you are vulnerable to midfielders and defenders finding themselves under huge pressure, often with their back to goal. And that is what has been happening, whatever badge you put on it, and that is what Dyche's team selection today was presumably designed to address.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:54 pm

Excellent performance.

Fantastic result all considered. When you think about the circumstances, the importance of the game to both clubs, the cardiff result before our game.

Oh and Lennon was excellent at his job today.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:24 pm

claretspice wrote:And the team selected by the manager has worked. We've got a really important point and stopped the rot. After a slightly dicey first half hour, it sounds as though we've been pretty solid and made it a pretty even game.

He's not completely daft, this manager of ours.

More luck than management . Write as much pretentious clap trap as you like. We were bloody awful in that first half, we were extremely lucky today.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:28 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:More luck than management . Write as much pretentious clap trap as you like. We were bloody awful in that first half, we were extremely lucky today.

Harsh - we were not good first half but we did do well against Chilwell and Gray with Lennon defending well and Lowton having a very good game.
Defour was getting over run and SD changed it bringing Hendrick and Brady on early and I thought we were the better team second half.

No “extreme” luck about it at all - we could have easily won the game in the second half just as they could have done in first.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:34 pm

TVC15 wrote:Harsh - we were not good first half but we did do well against Chilwell and Gray with Lennon defending well and Lowton having a very good game.
Defour was getting over run and SD changed it bringing Hendrick and Brady on early and I thought we were the better team second half.

No “extreme” luck about it at all - we could have easily won the game in the second half just as they could have done in first.

They could no they should have been out of sight after 30 minutes. I will withdraw the extremely but we were lucky.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:36 pm

It wasn’t an “excellent” performance ffs. Let’s keep our heads please

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:38 pm

Out of sight ?
They had one cleared off the line with Hart’s terrible punch and they hit the bar with a header - can’t remember much else but a lot of possession to be honest. Chris Wood had a great chance to score from 8 yards out and JBG went close with a free kick.