Tarks can go for me unless he improves

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:02 am

Too many times he takes chances and forgets he is there to stop goals. He has the potential to be decent but decent players perform consistently and he isnt doing that. We would get a wedge of cash for him and I would prefer a hungry motivated player. Look at Joe Hart. Billy big boots at city and west ham. Gets taken down a peg or 2 and he has been outstanding. Tarks needs to get back to basics and quick.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:07 am

Aye, come on Tarks, get out and do some improving quickly! What do you mean ---you've just had a hernia operation?
That's no excuse --you need to improve --end of!

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:16 am

There had to be a reason Tarks form had dropped so wildly.... the hernia operation explains it; and how important he is to our squad in the manager's eyes too that he had to keep going as long as he was able.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:18 am

Aye and take that fancy dan keeper Hart with him

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:21 am

claretnproud wrote:Too many times he takes chances and forgets he is there to stop goals. He has the potential to be decent but decent players perform consistently and he isnt doing that. We would get a wedge of cash for him and I would prefer a hungry motivated player. Look at Joe Hart. Billy big boots at city and west ham. Gets taken down a peg or 2 and he has been outstanding. Tarks needs to get back to basics and quick.

Mr Jekyll please meet Mr Hyde
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 65#p814265

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:32 am

Up to the Chelsea and West Ham games Tarks has been our best defender and probably best outfield player this season.
We know he has been playing through injury for more than a month now.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:35 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Mr Jekyll please meet Mr Hyde
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 65#p814265

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:45 am

Utter nonsense. An England squad regular and we should get shut? I hope not

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:56 am

Why exactly is Tarkowski considered to be this ‘billy big boots’ character by so many? Because he drives a flash car? Because he attempts long range passes instead of just hoofing into touch? I can’t really understand it

He did have some very poor games but I think the news that he was having to play despite needing an operation explains that recent loss of form

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:03 am

Top, top player. Our club needs more James Tarkowskis!

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:16 am

TVC15 wrote:Up to the Chelsea and West Ham games Tarks has been our best defender and probably best outfield player this season.
We know he has been playing through injury for more than a month now.

Agreed. And he wasn't bad against Chelsea either, we just got blown away as a team.

Really don't get the criticism of Tarks, this idea he's billy big balls is ridiculous. He signed a new deal with us despite his stock being very high, surely if he had an overinflated ego he'd have run down his contract and agitated for a move to Spurs or Liverpool.

I think this could be his last season for us because I'm certain he's destined for bigger things and I think we need to get Dunne in the squad next season if we want to hold on to, and develop, him. It'd be a shame if he left under a cloud when he's been such a good pro for us.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:26 am

Tarks is our right side CH, live with it. Kevin Long is excellent cover and would be a starter at many other PL sides.

Mattster wrote: I think we need to get Dunne in the squad next season if we want to hold on to, and develop, him.

We have Mee & Gibson for left side CH, Jimmy might have to wait a bit longer or learn to play right side.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:33 am

Tarks is top drawer, he's had a couple of iffy games and someone wants to get rid........
our most saleable asset by a long way at the moment, and would bring in more money than anyone else on the books, but why would you want to get rid.
Headshaker.

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:41 am

Reason or no reason for his drop of form. It will do the team good to let Long have a decent stint.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:41 am

Terrific player, its pretty obvious that his injury is the valid reason for his performances, i just hope he stays a claret and proves his doubters once he gets back to full fitness, i still think that Southgate will have him in his long term plans and he can push for a place in the national team.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:44 am

claretnproud wrote:Too many times he takes chances and forgets he is there to stop goals. He has the potential to be decent but decent players perform consistently and he isnt doing that. We would get a wedge of cash for him and I would prefer a hungry motivated player. Look at Joe Hart. Billy big boots at city and west ham. Gets taken down a peg or 2 and he has been outstanding. Tarks needs to get back to basics and quick.

Have no worries after his op. and recuperation I’m sure that he will be back to his best.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:05 pm

Playing all season with an injury, had surgery again and this thread. Oh dear.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:11 pm

I’m doing some DIY this afternoon to repair that brick wall I keep banging my head against. It’s had a fair bit of hammering this season with comments like the OP.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:14 pm

BFCmaj wrote:I’m doing some DIY this afternoon to repair that brick wall I keep banging my head against. It’s had a fair bit of hammering this season with comments like the OP.

There’s around 10-15 of them, its absolutely baffling. Thankfully none of my family & friends hold the same opinions so I don’t have to hear it first hand

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:16 pm

“He has the potential to be decent”.

You’ve got to love this messageboard - so many posters who are waiting to here about their application for Technical Director !

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:37 pm

Knee jerk!! Wow can't believe the OP. Clearly been carrying injuries along with most of the other back line. Hence the Hernia operation these don't just come about think he has been playing through it which is why he hasn't been near his old self. It wasn't long ago Ben was the Target to get out as I also think he was carrying injuries from his uncharacteristic performances.
But no let's get rid of a player who was solid for all of last season because he is going through a tough patch.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:49 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Mr Jekyll please meet Mr Hyde
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 65#p814265

Signed in just to like this.... Now is the time to our support and then rips one of our best players a new one. Priceless. Have a word

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:05 pm

The question I would be asking is why was he playing when he was clearly injured

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:12 pm

Tarks takes some risky options in defence. He always has done.Dyche isnt stupid and wouldnt play a player who isnt fit enough to compete. I think Tarks has real potential and hope he realises that potential with us. His decision making has nothing to do with injury. He needs to keep learning. As a physical specimen he is England material. That should be his aim, keep improving and stop the silly stuff.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:14 pm

didnt he have a hernia op in the summer?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:03 pm

If taking a few risks is an option to hoofball carry on, Tarky!

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:07 pm

Another great trolling thread.

Board needs more of these....

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:49 pm

Well boys and girls I got a bad response when I suggested we were better out of europe and should be focused on a tough survival year. I guess this is the same. I will AGAIN repeat that Tarks is potentially class but thats all it is right now. We have defended awfully this year and Tarks has been nowhere near the mark. Whoever plays needs to be hungry and I hope he finds that. I thought the club should have sorted ben mee out a lot earlier with his deal and Lowton has not been at his best either. All in all its hardly surprising that our current form is less than average. Southampton and perhaps Bournemouth aside we have offered little threat and just look like conceding eventually in every game. I think we will do enough but needless to say its going to be a fight.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:41 pm

Tarks has proved himself to be more than a decent centre half
over the last season or so. In fact last season he was immense
and won a call up to the international team as a result.

He may not been quite as good this season but still top of the rankings
for an outfield player and appears to have been playing with an injury
the last few weeks.

The bad news is that we're back down to 2 fit centre halves as it's likely
that both Gibson and Tarks won't be available for 3-4 weeks.

The good news is Long is looking like a more than reasonable deputy
and Mee appears to be playing better over the last two games than previously.

Lets hope both stay fit over the next month and continue playing well.
We've got some pretty important games coming up that may decide whether we're
going to be in a relegation struggle by Xmas/New Year.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:50 pm

A fully fit Tarks is top drawer. I mentioned previously if Tarky has not been fully fit it's not like Dyche to play him, that's puzzles me.

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:30 pm

joey13 wrote:The question I would be asking is why was he playing when he was clearly injured

Because we don't have many options. Long is a decent defender but not a patch on a fit Tarky unfortunately. If Tarky can play they will play him. I don't rate the fitness coaches and physeos from what I've seen this season and last they seem to just let the players get on with playing with injuries till they can't go on. I'm going off form and subsequent announcements of ops and injuries after players have gone off the boil here. It's quite clear which players have been struggling and playing through it. Ben Mee same type of injury 2 seasons in a row. Tarky groin problems them Hernia, Gibson turns up and develops a Hernia, Ward, Brady.....etc I'm pretty sure most injuries are from being over worked. Our boys put a lot into training and every game and I think they should be monitored closer than what has happened.
I have a few quals under my belt but I'm not a fitness coach so what would I know

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:44 pm

jurek wrote:Tarks has proved himself to be more than a decent centre half
over the last season or so. In fact last season he was immense
and won a call up to the international team as a result.

He may not been quite as good this season but still top of the rankings
for an outfield player and appears to have been playing with an injury
the last few weeks.

The bad news is that we're back down to 2 fit centre halves as it's likely
that both Gibson and Tarks won't be available for 3-4 weeks.

The good news is Long is looking like a more than reasonable deputy
and Mee appears to be playing better over the last two games than previously.

Lets hope both stay fit over the next month and continue playing well.
We've got some pretty important games coming up that may decide whether we're
going to be in a relegation struggle by Xmas/New Year.

It's better for the long-term if Tarks get his hernia sorted now.

We should be able to cope for a few games with Ben and Kevin.

We do need both to stay fit though.

The good news is we don't play again until the 26th,so this gives Gibson and Tarks another couple of weeks towards their recoveries.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:53 am

ClaretRock wrote:Because we don't have many options. Long is a decent defender but not a patch on a fit Tarky unfortunately. If Tarky can play they will play him. I don't rate the fitness coaches and physeos from what I've seen this season and last they seem to just let the players get on with playing with injuries till they can't go on. I'm going off form and subsequent announcements of ops and injuries after players have gone off the boil here. It's quite clear which players have been struggling and playing through it. Ben Mee same type of injury 2 seasons in a row. Tarky groin problems them Hernia, Gibson turns up and develops a Hernia, Ward, Brady.....etc I'm pretty sure most injuries are from being over worked. Our boys put a lot into training and every game and I think they should be monitored closer than what has happened.
I have a few quals under my belt but I'm not a fitness coach so what would I know

Can’t disagree with this.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:02 am

There is a lot of stupid things put on this forum by the group of usual suspects (normally after a loss) but someone on the forum knowing better about how the players are worked in training is certainly up there.

Saying that though, it isn't knew, it isn't long since Dyche was to blame for the knee injuries., now he is a hernia developer specialist.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:16 am

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Aye, come on Tarks, get out and do some improving quickly! What do you mean ---you've just had a hernia operation?
That's no excuse --you need to improve --end of!

I'm currently awaiting a hernia operation. It bloody hurts.

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:13 pm

ClaretRock wrote:I'm pretty sure most injuries are from being over worked.

I had a double inguinal hernia a few years back and I do two-thirds of naff all. I must've done it reaching for the TV remote.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:22 pm

What car does he have? Tell you what, if I was on anywhere near the money of a prem footballer I'd be driving the car of my dreams too

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:12 pm

houseboy wrote:I'm currently awaiting a hernia operation. It bloody hurts.

I had one when I was 41 and was playing again within two months and played until I was 58, although at a lower level once I had left the Royal Air Force.
Good luck with the op --I have never had any further trouble since having it and I will be 72 in December.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:56 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:I had one when I was 41 and was playing again within two months and played until I was 58, although at a lower level once I had left the Royal Air Force.
Good luck with the op --I have never had any further trouble since having it and I will be 72 in December.

Cheers mate, I feel better after that. I work out with weights but the guy at the hospital said it was okay to carry for now as long as it is only upper body work and I don't do any lifting off the ground. I'm sick of this lump that keeps coming out of my upper groin/lower stomach, it's the size of a bloody tennis ball. At least it disappears when I lie down or sit comfortably. My main problem is I like walking and after about 30 minutes it gets really uncomfortable. At least what I've read about recovery times agrees with what you have said so again thanks for that bud.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:03 pm

houseboy wrote:Cheers mate, I feel better after that. I work out with weights but the guy at the hospital said it was okay to carry for now as long as it is only upper body work and I don't do any lifting off the ground. I'm sick of this lump that keeps coming out of my upper groin/lower stomach, it's the size of a bloody tennis ball. At least it disappears when I lie down or sit comfortably. My main problem is I like walking and after about 30 minutes it gets really uncomfortable. At least what I've read about recovery times agrees with what you have said so again thanks for that bud.

That sounds quite painful in the grand scale of things, fortunately, mine was not a massive one but was always niggling because, apart from the sport, I played a very big tuba and also used to carry a lot of bass guitar amplification around.
Good luck with everything ----and do as you are told because you won't have the after care that Tarky will be getting!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:19 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:That sounds quite painful in the grand scale of things, fortunately, mine was not a massive one but was always niggling because, apart from the sport, I played a very big tuba and also used to carry a lot of bass guitar amplification around.
Good luck with everything ----and do as you are told because you won't have the after care that Tarky will be getting!

Were you able to carrying playing that bloody tuba mate, that takes a lot of effort.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:16 pm

houseboy wrote:Were you able to carrying playing that bloody tuba mate, that takes a lot of effort.

Yes!! I did that for 23 years and the year after I left they stopped people carrying the BBb Bass on marches because Health and Safety said that it could cause problems. I have been lucky because my back has never been a problem but I have plenty of mates who have suffered.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:03 am

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Yes!! I did that for 23 years and the year after I left they stopped people carrying the BBb Bass on marches because Health and Safety said that it could cause problems. I have been lucky because my back has never been a problem but I have plenty of mates who have suffered.

Sorry mate for my typo I meant carry on because of the pressure on your hernia when blowing, but I take your point about carrying it as well, must have been hard work.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:51 am

houseboy wrote:Sorry mate for my typo I meant carry on because of the pressure on your hernia when blowing, but I take your point about carrying it as well, must have been hard work.

Getting paid for a hobby and playing as much sport as I wanted whilst travelling the world ----I don't think that that was hard work when compared to lots of people.
I think that Tarky will have to put in some good shifts to regain full fitness after his op and here's wishing him luck with that and also good luck to you with yours!