Madeleine McCann investigation receives more funding

[ŽižkovClaret]

***** me when you thought you have read it all!

Who'd wanna be in their gang?

[TheFamilyCat]

Jesus that site link makes the David Icke site look sane and reasonable , some of the posts are utterly ludicrous with a “ Mcann led pedo ring” being the common consensus . You can almost hear the tin foil rustling . A tragic case indeed but like those other crackpot favs 9/11 and Diana’s death , the elephant in the room is erm just one piece of REAL evidence ...

Yep, some proper batshit mentalists on there. Disturbing and hilarious in equal measures. I particularly liked the one who claimed in great detail that Maddie had died in an accident while being cared for by nannies and the nanny company had managed to recruit a PR firm and convince the McCann's and their friends to cover it up to protect their company.

This one:

Anonymous11 June 2015 at 10:06
I believe that the Bell Pottinger PR company was paid to protect the Mark Warner companys valuable, worldwide childcare licence. I believe that Mark Warners nanny was minding Madeleine in apartment 5A when she fell off the top of the sofa (whilst holding cuddle cat, hence the cadarver odour) onto a tiled floor, smashed her head & sadly died. I believe the McCanns were terrified of an autopsy being done (due to long term sedation, etc) & Warners did not know this when they offered the McCanns & Tapas group mega money to say that no Warner nanny was minding Madeleine in 5A when she died. I believe that Madeleine died on Sunday evening & that Bell Pottingers Crisis Management team were employed very early on by Warners to assist with the coverup of their nanny minding Madeleine in apartment 5A on that fateful Sunday evening. Warners had too much to lose by this revelation, their valuable worldwide childcare licence & reputation. The McCanns had too much to lose if an autopsy was done (unknown to Warners) & it became a win, win situation for all concerned when the mega money deal was done. Follow the money trail. I believe that Lord Bell has boasted of his contacts in government & that he was paid to keep the McCanns (& Warners) version of their story in the newspapers. Warners are a client of Bell Pottingers PR company...join the dots. I believe that the # Mark Warner nannies, Catriona, Amy, & Charlotte wrote their police statements under duress with Warners pressuring them to give Warners (& McCanns) version of events only. Later, they & the Tapas group found they were in too deep & would face purgery etc charges if they now told the truth. Pact of silence resulted. I believe that apartment 5J was used for short term storage of Madeleines body in the fridge there from Sunday evening. Gerry's large blue bag being used to take her body to apt.5J. Access to this apartment 5J would have been provided by Warners in conjunction with Pottingers Crisis Management team. I believe that Warners & their CMT phoned Robert Murat to rush to PDL ( using a pre-text ploy to get him there early in the week to eventually have him offer his translating services to the up-comming police investigation ) to keep Warners informed of what the police were learning etc. The reasoning behind my beliefs of what happened to Madeleine are based on research of many years to help get justice for Madeleine & Mr. Amaral. All the above beliefs/theories that I have written are OMO (only my opinions) and are all written "without Predudice". Gerry McCann said at the Levenson enquiry that he was fine with/about people haveing theories on the Madeleine case. ...Regards from W.B. Universe.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Benidorm is a **** hole full of northerners getting lashed up.

Thing is, i miss British pub food so it actually appeals more these days as a way to combine some sun and home comforts haha

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

My statement was based on the fact that children are often abducted to order but wind up with people who are wealthy and who care for them.

The fact?

Sorry, what's the source of that fact?

[PutTheWheelieBinsOut]

On the morning of Maddie's disappearance the little girl, then aged three, spoke to Kate McCann at breakfast the following morning and said: "Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?" . This conversation was included in Kate's own book. So the babysitting strategy had already failed and had at least caused one of their children distress, yet they do the very same actions again the very same night. Who does that?

[bluelabrador16]

Maybe of interest:

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Madeleine Incorporated

Not sure how many of you have been following the strange case of Madeleine McCann , but here is an interesting take on the subject.

"The coverage of the strange case of Madeleine McCann was, in today's Times, restricted to the smallest of paragraphs on page seven. And yet even this small act of measured disclosure managed only to further amplify the weird eddies which attach to this mystery; whose hundredth day was marked last sunday. There can't be many distraught parents of a missing toddler who apply to trademark her name- or the name of the fund established to help find her; and yet the directors of Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, have indeed sought to do just that. Even stranger is why this has only (officially) been revealed now, when the application has been known about since shortly after it was first made: on May 18th.

http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... rated.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The McCanns have consistently misled the public about the reasons they so quickly moved to establish the fund in the first place. Whilst many assumed that some of the money would be used to employ private investigators, the one group of professionals that the McCanns definitely have instructed are lawyers. Expensive ones. A news release from the International Family Law Group, dated May 13th, shows that the family contacted IFLG for advice less than a week after the disappearance. As the mood in the Algarve turns nasty, and the evidence- if not of murder, then neglect and perverting the course of justice- piles up, several have questioned whether the real purpose of the presence of two lawyers and a QC is to build a defense in the event of a possible arrest, rather than to further the hunt for the girl. "

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewto ... ine+mccann" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DCWat]

What took you so long!?

[NRC]

My wife has a degree in psychology and she works with vulnerable people so yes, I have a decent insight whilst being no expert. But what our various skills are or are not doesn't make any difference. I don't care what you do for a living because, with no evidence whatsoever, you are making assumptions that have no more validity than mine (hypothetical though it is). Yes, she COULD be in the hands of perverts but just as equally she could be with a caring family with wealth (wrong though that would be), she could also equally be dead (which is what I believe). And if, as you say, you have a degree in psychology then you would know that I am right when I say she won't remember her parents because of her age at the time. When I said it would be cruel to remove her from a situation like that i wasn't inferring that she be left there, of course she should be removed, but it would not be any less painful for all that, which again you would know with your psychology degree.

Unfortunately sometimes on here people post things thinking that because they have some knowledge of the subject they should not be questioned but they forget there is logic to be applied to it. Whatever your background or job because of any lack of hard evidence to any great degree your 'opinion' is no more valid than anyone else's. Peadophile rings have been mentioned in the investigation yes, but there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that is the case. You attacked my original post thinking that I was making some kind of definitive statement, which I wasn't but you went on to then make statements of your own that had no more validity than mine because that happens to be the area you work in.

I think we need to disagree, houseboy. I haven't said anywhere that a 14 year old would remember her parents from the age of 3 or 4, what I'm saying is the bond of knowing that these "strangers" were her parents would be more than compelling, and she would correctly question as to how she came into the realm of her "foster parents."

As for your wife's role, I'm not slapping it out on the table, but I deal directly and immediately with kids needing to be taken into protection, and my cynicism of a positive outcome is firmly based right there. She might be dead. She might be in a dorm with other kids being abused daily by evil people, but I'll wager she is not in a "good place"

SO let's leave it there

[Woodleyclaret]

The truth re Jamie Bulger is even stranger and if the truth was published it would cause outrage againgst the parents.

[claretblue]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... cCann.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ClaretAndJew]

The truth re Jamie Bulger is even stranger and if the truth was published it would cause outrage againgst the parents.

How do you know the truth if it hasn't been published?

[ClaretDiver]

How do you know the truth if it hasn't been published?

Because he is trying to sound clever!

[harpers_perm]

The truth re Jamie Bulger is even stranger and if the truth was published it would cause outrage againgst the parents.

Oh deary me. The curse of the internet and intellectually challenged brains strikes again.

Does this truth also involve Elvis Presley working as a hand painted wooden duck manufacturer in a shed on the outskirts of Barnsley.

The Bulger family have been through enough without this sort of frothing nonsense.

[houseboy]

The fact?

Sorry, what's the source of that fact?

It has happened over the years but I can't be bothered with 'sources'. You want proof go find it.

[houseboy]

I think we need to disagree, houseboy. I haven't said anywhere that a 14 year old would remember her parents from the age of 3 or 4, what I'm saying is the bond of knowing that these "strangers" were her parents would be more than compelling, and she would correctly question as to how she came into the realm of her "foster parents."

As for your wife's role, I'm not slapping it out on the table, but I deal directly and immediately with kids needing to be taken into protection, and my cynicism of a positive outcome is firmly based right there. She might be dead. She might be in a dorm with other kids being abused daily by evil people, but I'll wager she is not in a "good place"

SO let's leave it there

That's a fair assumption. There really is no point in us falling out over something that, as a particular, we don't know anything about.

[dsr]

[wrong post]

[morpheus2]

Did the dog swear on oath that it was Madeleine's scent?

That’s just what Gerry said!

[Ooogeorgeorgeoghani]

The reason why there are so many pointing the finger at the mccans is simply because normal people cannot identify with them , they are a strange pair and have neglected their children during the holiday by leaving them , it doesn't make them guilty of having a hand in the incident.

Do I think they know more than they have let on .absolutely too many things just don't seem right

[Claret eze]

This forum.Either the best parents ever and never made a mistake in their life or columbo,miss marple and poirot rolled into 1, and currently work for the fbi. Yes sounds pretty stupid.like most of the drivel on here.stick to football.

[conyoviejo]

This forum.Either the best parents ever and never made a mistake in their life or columbo,miss marple and poirot rolled into 1, and currently work for the fbi. Yes sounds pretty stupid.like most of the drivel on here.stick to football.

Which category do you fall into then?

[Ooogeorgeorgeoghani]

This forum.Either the best parents ever and never made a mistake in their life or columbo,miss marple and poirot rolled into 1, and currently work for the fbi. Yes sounds pretty stupid.like most of the drivel on here.stick to football.

Made parenting mistakes yes,never left my kids alone in an apartment abroad , plus there is no football this weekend hence these threads

[Cleveleys_claret]

This forum.Either the best parents ever and never made a mistake in their life or columbo,miss marple and poirot rolled into 1, and currently work for the fbi. Yes sounds pretty stupid.like most of the drivel on here.stick to football.

A mistake? Leaving a 4 yr old 2 yr old twins alone in a foreign country in an apartment so that you can go eat and go the lash. More than a mistake, it is criminal.

[NRC]

Nine years ago my ex wife was represented by International Family Law Group, and I by Dawson Cornwell, my own lawyer pretty much a real-life version of the Mark Darcy character from Bridget Jones, layered up with all kinds of accolades and awards in the space of international child law and protection.

I can personally attest these firms cost an inordinate amount of money

[FactualFrank]

[Bertiebeehead]

You know you’re going to hell when you laugh out loud over something like that.

[Steve1956]

You know you’re going to hell when you laugh out loud over something like that.

I laughed out load mate and thought exactly the same.

[Bertiebeehead]

I laughed out load mate and thought exactly the same.

It will be warm, wear shorts.

[Steve1956]

This thread is comedy gold.

[Quicknick]

Richard D. Hall: 'The True Story of Madeleine MCann'.

People should watch this series of videos on YouTube.

I have only skimmed this thread, so maybe someone else has referenced these videos. Very impressive investigative journalism.

[mkmel]

As long as they fund the same amount of money to help Ben Needham's single mum find her missing Son in Kos

Oh hang on a minute different type of parent(s)

[tiger76]

Possible new breakthrough in the case?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Just means they're running out of money again.

[FactualFrank]

Possible new breakthrough in the case?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016

Just seen it on the news at 10.

[beddie]

Hope this might mean the family could have closure.

[TsarBomba]

Just means they're running out of money again.

This is a really lazy argument, and there’s a far bigger picture being missed.

Paedophiles, kidnappers, operate on a global scale in networks of thousands and millions. A cautious estimate here in the U.K. is that there are approx 400k sexual predators involved (in some capacity) of the abuse of children. Whether that be sharing indecent images online, actively abusing children, to kidnap and murder.

A lot of money has been spent on this case, but a suspect has potentially been identified, and this is a very good thing. There will be an explosion of new leads and information now this suspect is being looked into to. There will be accomplices, and they will all have their own victims that can be discovered and saved.

It’s a very dangerous route to go down if we cap how much is spent on pursuing investigations. It doesn’t matter if it’s a theft, commons assault or murder. If an allegation has been made and a crime has occurred, then the Police are duty bound to investigate all leads.

[ClaretDiver]

This is a really lazy argument, and there’s a far bigger picture being missed.

Paedophiles, kidnappers, operate on a global scale in networks of thousands and millions. A cautious estimate here in the U.K. is that there are approx 400k sexual predators involved (in some capacity) of the abuse of children. Whether that be sharing indecent images online, actively abusing children, to kidnap and murder.

A lot of money has been spent on this case, but a suspect has potentially been identified, and this is a very good thing. There will be an explosion of new leads and information now this suspect is being looked into to. There will be accomplices, and they will all have their own victims that can be discovered and saved.

It’s a very dangerous route to go down if we cap how much is spent on pursuing investigations. It doesn’t matter if it’s a theft, commons assault or murder. If an allegation has been made and a crime has occurred, then the Police are duty bound to investigate all leads.

And the parents of said child that was 'abducted' are duty bound to answer all questions posed to them......

[TsarBomba]

And the parents of said child that was 'abducted' are duty bound to answer all questions posed to them......

If they are considered suspects, then yes.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

This is a really lazy argument, and there’s a far bigger picture being missed.

Paedophiles, kidnappers, operate on a global scale in networks of thousands and millions. A cautious estimate here in the U.K. is that there are approx 400k sexual predators involved (in some capacity) of the abuse of children. Whether that be sharing indecent images online, actively abusing children, to kidnap and murder.

A lot of money has been spent on this case, but a suspect has potentially been identified, and this is a very good thing. There will be an explosion of new leads and information now this suspect is being looked into to. There will be accomplices, and they will all have their own victims that can be discovered and saved.

It’s a very dangerous route to go down if we cap how much is spent on pursuing investigations. It doesn’t matter if it’s a theft, commons assault or murder. If an allegation has been made and a crime has occurred, then the Police are duty bound to investigate all leads.

13 years ago she went missing, 13 long years.
They ask for and get millions of ££'s to investigate this and every year when it goes quiet they suddenly find a new lead and will want more money.
Fresh information now won't be accurate, will possibly be made up and I'd be willing to wager it won't lead to the truth of what happened to her.

I'm a parent of 3 children and yes I'd be devastated if I was abroad and left my kids in a position where they'd be kidnapped due to my own neglect.

If she's out wandering around somewhere under a new guise then she'd be old enough to have Internet access and has probably read about the case etc.

The fact is she's never been found, will probably never be found etc but at some point we have to stop throwing money at this case when other families aren't getting the same treatment.
What makes this child abduction case worse and more deserving than the others?

[Stayingup]

Hope to the almighty they have found the guilty person this time round. Looking optimistic.

[AlargeClaret]

Sounds like they have a very reasonable lead but looks very circumstantial and I doubt the guy is gonna spill with 2 yrs etc to serve of an existing sentence .
Also rather cuttingly and almost “ Holmes like” the German old bill have announced “ she’s very likely dead “...they also announced man has landed on the moon and that Elvis has died.

[TsarBomba]

13 years ago she went missing, 13 long years.
They ask for and get millions of ££'s to investigate this and every year when it goes quiet they suddenly find a new lead and will want more money.
Fresh information now won't be accurate, will possibly be made up and I'd be willing to wager it won't lead to the truth of what happened to her.

I'm a parent of 3 children and yes I'd be devastated if I was abroad and left my kids in a position where they'd be kidnapped due to my own neglect.

If she's out wandering around somewhere under a new guise then she'd be old enough to have Internet access and has probably read about the case etc.

The fact is she's never been found, will probably never be found etc but at some point we have to stop throwing money at this case when other families aren't getting the same treatment.
What makes this child abduction case worse and more deserving than the others?

Helluva lot of assumptions on your part there. Any new money from the Home Office has to be justified.

You need to understand this investigation isn’t just about Madeleine McCann.

This is an investigation into Serious and Organised Crime. It takes years, cost millions, and employs hundreds of specialist officers. This is the norm for this type of investigation.

Of course, Madeleine is the news story attached to this investigation, but this is about uncovering and the dismantling of a paedophile/trafficking network.

I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with this.

[TheFamilyCat]

Helluva lot of assumptions on your part there. Any new money from the Home Office has to be justified.

You need to understand this investigation isn’t just about Madeleine McCann.

This is an investigation into Serious and Organised Crime. It takes years, cost millions, and employs hundreds of specialist officers. This is the norm for this type of investigation.

Of course, Madeleine is the news story attached to this investigation, but this is about uncovering and the dismantling of a paedophile/trafficking network.

I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with this.

I picked up the references to organised crime and trafficking in your previous post. Are the police sure then that this was committed by a trafficking gang rather than an isolated incident or are all possibilities being considered still?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Helluva lot of assumptions on your part there. Any new money from the Home Office has to be justified.

You need to understand this investigation isn’t just about Madeleine McCann.

This is an investigation into Serious and Organised Crime. It takes years, cost millions, and employs hundreds of specialist officers. This is the norm for this type of investigation.

Of course, Madeleine is the news story attached to this investigation, but this is about uncovering and the dismantling of a paedophile/trafficking network.

I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with this.

So are they saying she's been snatched by an organised human trafficking gang, a paedophile gang, a long paedophile or something else?

The answer is they don't know, they're no closer to solving the case now than they were 13 years ago.

The Germans happen to have a guy in custody who's allegedly owned up to it.
The same guy who's been investigated and released a few years ago.

It was announced in 2015 that the investigation had cost £10 million and they'd reduced the number of officers on the case from 29 to 4...more money has been spent since then raising the cost to about £12 million.

Are you telling me that's fair when other kids go missing regularly with barely a mumour in the media?
What makes this such a standout case?

[Siddo]

This is a really lazy argument, and there’s a far bigger picture being missed.

Paedophiles, kidnappers, operate on a global scale in networks of thousands and millions. A cautious estimate here in the U.K. is that there are approx 400k sexual predators involved (in some capacity) of the abuse of children. Whether that be sharing indecent images online, actively abusing children, to kidnap and murder.

A lot of money has been spent on this case, but a suspect has potentially been identified, and this is a very good thing. There will be an explosion of new leads and information now this suspect is being looked into to. There will be accomplices, and they will all have their own victims that can be discovered and saved.

It’s a very dangerous route to go down if we cap how much is spent on pursuing investigations. It doesn’t matter if it’s a theft, commons assault or murder. If an allegation has been made and a crime has occurred, then the Police are duty bound to investigate all leads.

At last, a grown up in the room. Thank you for this thoughtful and informative post.

When we were younger we went to butlins in the late 80s, and we left our kids in the chalet and used the baby sitting service to watch the entertainment and yes, have a few pints. You will remember some of you, that the MC would announce something like "child crying in chalet b6," or something similar and back you went to sighs of relief from hundres of couples that it wasn't them.

I also went back every half hour to check they were ok.

I can't ever remember there being any kidnappings or molestation from holiday camps inception to when they stopped doing it.

Would I do it now? Absolutely not, and I struggle to believe that I or anyone did it then in hindsight.

It was actually a selling point in the brochures.

How times have changed.

[Blackrod]

I’ve watched a few documentaries about this. They have been funded by a wealthy Scottish benefactor and his ‘thick’ son who has been playing at being a PI on The Algarve. Without this there would have been nowhere near as much press coverage. I’ve yet to see any proper remorse by the McCanns and there is certainly something very odd about them imo. The whole story has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese. As said above if they were from a council estate the whole case would have been given treatment.

[TsarBomba]

Police now linking the suspect to the disappearance of a 5 year old in Germany.

[Burnley1989]

Perhaps the police have been very close for a while, I suspect they’ve long known about this fella and were just missing a few pieces of the jigsaw

[Spijed]

Hope this might mean the family could have closure.

Although they should share a lot of responsibility for leaving a three year old totally unattended.

They always seemed to come across as parents who were very career minded.