How long for Theresa May?

[quoonbeatz]

that UN report on austerity should be enough reason for people to never vote for her ilk again.

[AndrewJB]

that UN report on austerity should be enough reason for people to never vote for her ilk again.

Completely agree. How anyone can claim to love their country when they're doing this to people is a mystery to me.

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[AndrewJB]

Completely agree. How anyone can claim to love their country when they're doing this to people is a mystery to me.

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It also serves to underline to those who still believe in the fiction that we're controlled by Brussels - the UK government has sufficient independence to mistreat our own citizens, and flout human rights ideals for long periods with virtual impunity.

[Pstotto]

The rise of 'fascism' as you call it, or right-wing extremism, has as its base, normality inasmuch as it is a reaction to the current attempted electronic mediation of our lives, to kow tow to values and people alien to our culture via the Media-as-Phobos.

The media policy is to bully the populace with social and ethnic minority pressure groups encouraged to act up and express rage etc. at the majority population, it's a perversion of sheep dogs herding sheep and with no opportunity to fight back under the auspices of fair play to the 'disadvantaged' and a notion of their time and allowing them a go at cultural rule, paradoxically a demented elite i.e. bitch culture and poo-shoot meddlers as the apex of morality and good sense and sensibility, in the name of anti-elitism, to erode the middle classes by damning them in the act of consideration.

This is aided and abetting by anti-Western Enlightenment values, with techno-animism, animism, voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam, the LGBGT movement post-humanism (?) Feminism,transgender folk, all of which brook no argument to their Uber Alles papal infallibility and any questioning of their right of rule labelled as extremism and the three klaxons of 'dismay' i.e. homophobia, sexism, and racism as an anti-intellectual children's playground clamour akin to diving footballers, another anti-good sentiment cultural phenomenon.

It's totalitarian rule by proxy via the support to the fore of culture, social groups that brook no critique.

It's all the collective unconscious as everyone is battered to deep sleep having been Sky-boxed via media pummeling to a vegetative state.

In actuality the fascists are the new 'liberal' self-appointed elite and their luvvi husky remit to bark at everyone else.

The recent march by 'football lads united' in London is an attempt at the normal majority speaking up, unfortunately caught up in reactionary behaviour that such frustration cannot but generate.

[biggles]

so in part it's a liberal backlash. human nature etc

[Pstotto]

I think it's a backlash at a perversion of liberalism for totalitarian media rule by proxy. Under the auspices of liberalism, perversion and subversion are equated with freedom as a simulacrum of democracy, where bathos and a rubbishing of value constitute a level playing field and a philosophical notion of inclusion as a notion of rightful protest against God and suffering.

[tiger76]

How long for Theresa May ?

Well she's certainly survived a lot longer than a lot of posters on here predicted."Theresa won't make it til May" 18 months ago......

A People's Vote will only serve to prove that GB is still greatly divided.

Possible scenario; Leadership challenge but the dissenters don't get the 50% of their MPs' votes necessary to force a contest. She then goes unchallenged for at least a year. Tory MPs decide to rally round, to avoid any possibility of a vote of no confidence and therefore a general election, and she gets this deal through parliament.

Who knows.

Theresa could survive a leadership challenge and stumble on for a year.

Her bigger problem is getting this current deal through the HOC,there appears to be a hardcore group of 50 Conservatives that will vote against the government when the bill comes before parliament,DUP and the SNP for differing reasons won't support her,and i can't see Corbyn assisting the government,as in Labour's eyes this deal doesn't meet their 6 tests.

What happens after heaven knows,i suspect a 2nd referendum,but unless there is a significant majority for one side or the other,we'll still be locked in the impasse.

[Pstotto]

So, May doesn't want a Brexit and messes it up in order to have a second referendum.

That's infantile politics, female silliness in action.

[FactualFrank]

Had a good career though. He was excellent playing Pob in the 1980’s.

[biggles]

she's a remainer and has done everything to keep the UK connected to the EU whilst still being able to state that she has respected the result of the referendum. come on Boris, Nigel, Jacob et al. give us a proper Brexit while we still have the chance.

[AndrewJB]

None of Boris, Nigel, or Jacob could give you the kind of Brexit you crave, because there isn't the support in parliament. In fact there isn't the support in the country as a whole. Any choice will be between May (or Labour's) semi brexit, or no brexit at all. In my opinion.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Amber Rudd back in after her 7 month punishment was up.

[tiger76]

Cabinet ministers still trying to convince May to change course on the Irish backstop https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46243745.

[IanMcL]

No hope Government, no hope leader, no hope negotiating with EU, no hope of a lasting Union, if Brexit goes ahead.

[SammyBoy]

Boris, Nigel, Jacob et al. give us a proper Brexit while we still have the chance.

Three blokes more at home shouting from the sidelines than facing the challenging practicalities of the situation. Who can blame them, when it inevitably goes wrong it can be blamed on those pesky remoaners.

[FactualFrank]

“Resign? But... you’re plants?”

[biggles]

“Resign? But... you’re plants?” 'and you, lady, are a bloody remainer'

[FactualFrank]

Yes biggles, you got it!

[Imploding Turtle]

'and you, lady, are a bloody remainer'

None of your lying, moronic leaders wanted the job.

[bfcjg]

I wood sooner have May then the idiotic imbeciles
Jonson or Corbyn.

[biggles]

None of your lying, moronic leaders wanted the job.

1. they aren't mine.

2. they are politicians, of course they lie!

3. who is that black female labour MP who's son got off with carrying £2000 worth of class A drugs to a music fest recently? can't remember her name, friend of Corbyn, and i always thought labour MPs were morally better than tory MPs.

4. talking of moronic, how's the lovely Ms Abbott? back from her spell of sickness yet?

[Imploding Turtle]

I've no idea what 3 and 4 have to do with anything. You're the one that called May a Remainer plant when no Brexiter wanted the job.

[brexit]

Brilliant tactician. Force the ERG to call a no-confidence vote. She wins the no-confidence vote. Can't be challenged for 12 months. Withdrawal bills goes to parliament is defeated. No Brexit is planned, no transition period, no protection for EU citizens in UK. EU sh8 themselves because German and French car makers face 35% tariffs into UK , Japanese car makers make massive investment in UK . Hasty trade deal. 12 moths of hard ship .Hard Irish border. DUP ecstatic, jocks p*ssed off,the Taffs sit there slobbering into their special brew.General election in June 2019. Tory landslide. June 2020 May resigns Javid leader. Commonwealth( EU doesn't have a trade deal with australia http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-foc ... agreement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) ) and American Trade deals make GDP up by 6% per annum from 2020. (source EPSC)
i will say it again to all the remainder muppets on this board if you look at https://ec.europa.eu/commission/priorities_en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Europe needs the UK more than we need the EU.

[brexit]

No hope Government, no hope leader, no hope negotiating with EU, no hope of a lasting Union, if Brexit goes ahead.

Loads of hope for England hopefully we will ditch the paddy's,jocks and taffs who have been bleeding us dry over the last century.
Next time the Jocks want independence I want to vote. Its an act of union it cuts both ways.

[Spiral]

It'd be illegal for the British to throw Northern Ireland out of the Union. Northern Ireland Act 1998, part 1, section 1, subsection 1:

It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1.

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Literally the first paragraph of the entire text.

Nice try. Better luck next time.

[biggles]

I've no idea what 3 and 4 have to do with anything. You're the one that called May a Remainer plant when no Brexiter wanted the job.

your the one who brought up the old 'lying and moronic' epithets. i just mentioned two of your labour MPs whom I believe fit the bill.

[Spiral]

Based on the last few posts and likes, safe to say the posters 'biggles' and 'brexit' don't care for the constitution of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

[brexit]

It'd be illegal for the British to throw Northern Ireland out of the Union. Northern Ireland Act 1998, part 1, section 1, subsection 1:



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Literally the first paragraph of the entire text.

Nice try. Better luck next time.

Give them a referendum and lets see the NIA seats would suggest a narrow majority for leaving the union.

[brexit]

Based on the last few posts and likes, safe to say the posters 'biggles' and 'brexit' don't care for the constitution of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Another half-arsed muppet. We don't have a constitution we are a constitutional monarchy ruled by a body of law enacted by parliament that's why we needed an act of parliament to leave the EU DOH!!!!. Seriously the half-wits on this board are hilarious. No wonder most of the KokGrindrs on this board vote labor - too intellectually challenging to understand basic politics.

[Spiral]

Give them a referendum and lets see the NIA seats would suggest a narrow majority for leaving the union.

Ha! NIA seats! Not been following the news this year, have you? Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't enact a referendum if you don't have an executive branch of government.

[thatdberight]

Another half-arsed muppet. We don't have a constitution we are a constitutional monarchy ruled by a body of law enacted by parliament that's why we needed an act of parliament to leave the EU DOH!!!!. Seriously the half-wits on this board are hilarious. No wonder most of the KokGrindrs on this board vote labor - too intellectually challenging to understand basic politics.

Of course we have a constitution; we just don't have a fully written constitution in one document.

"Labour", by the way.

[Spiral]

Another half-arsed muppet. We don't have a constitution we are a constitutional monarchy ruled by a body of law enacted by parliament that's why we needed an act of parliament to leave the EU DOH!!!!. Seriously the half-wits on this board are hilarious. No wonder most of the KokGrindrs on this board vote labor - too intellectually challenging to understand basic politics.

Oh Jesus Christ, stop embarrassing yourself. That very body of law forms the UK constitution.

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[brexit]

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[IanMcL]

Loads of hope for England hopefully we will ditch the paddy's,jocks and taffs who have been bleeding us dry over the last century.
Next time the Jocks want independence I want to vote. Its an act of union it cuts both ways.

Little Englanders will feel the draught.

I'll happily vote alongside you! Bit like the anti and for's in the Leaving Europe situation.

[Imploding Turtle]

your the one who brought up the old 'lying and moronic' epithets. i just mentioned two of your labour MPs whom I believe fit the bill.

Ah, so you were deflecting.

[hampsteadclaret]

Sir Graham Brady, the bloke who counts the envelopes/letters has just said that the 48 total required has not yet been reached.

Interesting that...for all the noise about replacing her, not that many brave souls have done much about it.


If anyone takes her on, I think they will lose..any of them.

There isn't time for a leadership contest.

The 'Deal' isn't going to get through Parliament is it?

Are we heading for 'No Deal' ?

[tiger76]

Sir Graham Brady, the bloke who counts the envelopes/letters has just said that the 48 total required has not yet been reached.

Interesting that...for all the noise about replacing her, not that many brave souls have done much about it.

If anyone takes her on, I think they will lose..any of them.

There isn't time for a leadership contest.

The 'Deal' isn't going to get through Parliament is it?

Are we heading for 'No Deal' ?

25 letters is the rumoured number so far,ERG may have gone too early,they would have been better waiting until after the vote on Theresa's deal.

If the threshold of 48 is reached i still think the PM will survive,nobody seems willing to put their head on the block.

Everybody is adamant we won't crash out with 'No Deal' but nobody knows how to avoid this happening.

[nil_desperandum]

Everybody is adamant we won't crash out with 'No Deal' but nobody knows how to avoid this happening.

Of course they do - but it's not politically expedient to admit it yet.
Once the tabloids - Mail, Express and Sun - are demanding that we either have a People's Vote or just remain, they'll be able to do so.
It's all about politics and staying in power. (I've been saying this for months by the way and THE Mail has already changed its stance significantly.)

[South West Claret.]

Not sure if this has been posted on here but some might find it funny

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[Mala591]

Scenario:

Current Brexit draft agreement gets rejected by parliament

Draft agreement is amended (improved) to satisfy a majority of MP's (UK has total control over when to leave any back stop situation plus a few other bits and bobs)

Amended agreement is presented to the EU as our final 'offer'

EU realise that they must accept our final offer or risk a no deal Brexit

Job done

[Lancasterclaret]

Piece of **** this Brexit lark, Mala591 has said it is.

Its just possible (and I cannot still believe that people still have to say this) that its not as simple as that?

If the country has a majority that think like that, then we deserve all we get btw.

[TVC15]

Scenario:

Current Brexit draft agreement gets rejected by parliament

Draft agreement is amended (improved) to satisfy a majority of MP's (UK has total control over when to leave any back stop situation plus a few other bits and bobs)

Amended agreement is presented to the EU as our final 'offer'

EU realise that they must accept our final offer or risk a no deal Brexit

Job done

Lovely jubbly - lets go home for tea and medals.

Only teeny weeny possible problem - and i’m really nitpicking here - is that bit about the EU realising they “must accept our final offer”.....just spitballing here but I reckon it’s cos of “them lot” that we ended up with such a sh-it offer in the first place.

But feel free to run for PM - i’ll vote for ya.

[biggles]

maybe not 'must accept....' but i think they possibly might. the know they've screwed us due to the incompetent May's p...poor negotiating skills and her pro-remain beliefs. there's room for them to concede something. i doubt they want a no-deal Brexit.

[Lancasterclaret]

What?

You do realise that they conceded freedom of movement for us having frictionless trade?

You might not read that from Brexiteer newspapers and commentators, but this is far from a deal dictat from Brussels.

[biggles]

What the hell you on about, now? we've conceded a lot of points to the EU!

Start from a no-deal point and work back all the way to us being tied into the single market until they let us leave!

[Lancasterclaret]

Eh?

And they have conceded one of their four principles reasons for existence.

But no, not enough apparently

I absolutely cannot get my head around after two years that people still refuse to accept that this is a negotiation.

And yes, its a **** deal, but its a deal that is based on the reality of the situation.

I am aware I'm completely wasting my time, but you and others do need to get your head around that at some stage.

[biggles]

don't know if you are being serious or on a wind-up mission. what the heck have their four principles got to do with Brexit? we voted to leave the EU, to hell with their principles, nothing to do with us. this is a negotiation is it? really? so, they'll negotiate with us providing they don't have to concede any of THEIR principles! classic! some of us want a complete break from the EU. we don't want them bossing us about, to their benefit and our detriment, any longer. you don't seem able to grasp that and never have done. it's not difficult, mate. take off your EU loving blinkers and get real for once. go on, give it go.

[Lancasterclaret]

Er, yeah

You genuinely don't have a clue what relevance the concession of free movement is in regards to the EU?

You genuinely don't know what a big deal that actually is?

"Nothing to do with us" sums it up.

[biggles]

all that crap is EU stuff. we don't need to conform to their rules once we leave. maybe you like being controlled from Brussels. it's that simple but you just don't seem to be able to understand very basic principles. get someone like IT to educate you.

[taio]

Er, yeah

You genuinely don't have a clue what relevance the concession of free movement is in regards to the EU?

You genuinely don't know what a big deal that actually is?

"Nothing to do with us" sums it up.

What's the concession on freedom of movement?