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Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:11 pm

Not in this lifetime.Poor first touch and looks totally out of his depth file under Tammy Abraham .

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by colne-claret » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:20 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Not in this lifetime.Poor first touch and looks totally out of his depth file under Tammy Abraham .
Who's better at the moment?

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:27 pm

It says more about the current state of our game more than it does his ability.

Caps are handed out like confetti now a days. With all the friendlies and dead rubbers about, you only need half a dozen average premier league displays ( sometimes not even that) and your in the squad, and usually get a cap!
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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by ClaretFelix » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:35 pm

Just notched.

I thinks he's done ok, makes a change for us to have a striker with a bit of pace and quick of the mark.
He's been in good form for the last couple of seasons now to be fair to him

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:36 pm

A goal on his debut. Flying in the league.

A late bloomer. But so was Ian Wright. Jamie Vardy. And plenty more.

Nowt like getting behind him...
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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:36 pm

Solid debut and has scored more goals in one England game than Juke scored in his whole Burnley career

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by jdrobbo » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:38 pm

He’s a good player. Superb signing from Coventry. Makes very intelligent runs and works the top half of the pitch relentlessly. Would love him at Burnley. Done so well to recover from two huge injuries.
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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by aggi » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:48 pm

English strikers who have played at least 3 PL games this season and haven't been capped by England:

Glenn Murray (Brighton)

Andre Gray (Watford)

Troy Deeney (Watford)

Danny Ward (Cardiff City)

You can see why WIlson has been capped

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:59 pm

Much as I hate Brighton I would have capped Murray
At least hes had a career scoring goals for fun

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by thomaspaine » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:17 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Much as I hate Brighton I would have capped Murray
At least hes had a career scoring goals for fun
Wilson played well - a much better option than Murray!

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:19 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Much as I hate Brighton I would have capped Murray
At least hes had a career scoring goals for fun
Not much use in giving a debut to a 35 year old striker.
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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Tall Paul » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:26 pm

aggi wrote:English strikers who have played at least 3 PL games this season and haven't been capped by England:

Glenn Murray (Brighton)

Andre Gray (Watford)

Troy Deeney (Watford)

Danny Ward (Cardiff City)

You can see why WIlson has been capped
You missed out Ashley Barnes and Sam Vokes.

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by jdrobbo » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:28 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You missed out Ashley Barnes and Sam Vokes.

Great cast :-)

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Goobs » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:34 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You missed out Ashley Barnes and Sam Vokes.
I know you are taking the mick but as Barnes hasn't been capped by Austria he is still available for England isn't he?

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:36 pm

Are we donating £250000 to him for this contribution to English football.

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Tall Paul » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:11 pm

Goobs wrote:I know you are taking the mick but as Barnes hasn't been capped by Austria he is still available for England isn't he?
I think so.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin can be added to Aggi's list as well.
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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Garnerssoap » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:26 am

Tammy Abrahams- snigger. Bag of bling laden shite
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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:18 pm

All this negativity, how caps are handed out like confetti yet we just achieved our best place at a world cup since 1990...

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Bosscat » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You missed out Ashley Barnes and Sam Vokes.
Erm correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Big Sam play for our Principality chums in Caerdydd :roll: :roll:

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by bfccrazy » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:17 pm

Garnerssoap wrote:Tammy Abrahams- snigger. Bag of bling laden shite
Bling laden :lol:

Gave me an image of a gangster terrorist reading that.

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Post by Tall Paul » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:46 pm

Bosscat wrote:Erm correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Big Sam play for our Principality chums in Caerdydd :roll: :roll:
You're not wrong. He's still an English striker who hasn't been capped by England.

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by jlup1980 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:50 pm

I'd love him at Burnley. He's quick, a decent finisher and he has a bit of a niggle to him. He's not afraid to leave his leg in sometimes. I think he's a good fit for the way England play, certainly against the better nations who'll hold onto the ball more. He's perfect on the counter.

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:30 pm

When Wilson learns to control the ball and kick with both feet and pass.I will change my opnion .But then I have little time for most of the players Southgate picks as hes far too inluenced by the media who talk up very average players.Nobody will ever convince me that Abraham and Rashford are England class.As kids big for their age,their kick and rush tactics worked .At internationals the ability to play with both feet,pass and pick out teammates is vital.Both players and Wilson are not good enough.
Wilson was anonymous when we thrashed Eddies darlings this season.

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by Bosscat » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:38 pm

Wilson was anonymous when we thrashed Eddies darlings this season.[/quote]
:roll: he was named in my program not anymous at all :roll:
Edit.... Anonymous even hahaha

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by SGr » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:40 pm

Wilson played well, great movement and positioning. Just lacked a finish for a few chances, one of which he basically fashioned himself. Took his goal very well, not an easy finish by any stretch

Always makes me laugh when I see people calling out the current England team. “Look how far we’ve fallen” whilst posting pictures of the so-called Golden Generation that won absolutely f*ck all. This is the best England side in years, and it’s only going to get better.
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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by SGr » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:42 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Much as I hate Brighton I would have capped Murray
At least hes had a career scoring goals for fun
Oh aye, sure he can contribute to the England set up in the long run :roll:

Wilson has scored just as many, and has assisted 4 more. :lol:

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Post by Spijed » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:47 pm

SGr wrote:This is the best England side in years, and it’s only going to get better.
Probably until they come up against a decent side in a major tournament.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:59 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:When Wilson learns to control the ball and kick with both feet and pass.I will change my opnion .But then I have little time for most of the players Southgate picks as hes far too inluenced by the media who talk up very average players.Nobody will ever convince me that Abraham and Rashford are England class.As kids big for their age,their kick and rush tactics worked .At internationals the ability to play with both feet,pass and pick out teammates is vital.Both players and Wilson are not good enough.
Wilson was anonymous when we thrashed Eddies darlings this season.
Yes Rashford was terrible once he stopped playing against kids...

He did all the below as a teenager against adults. And hes just turned 21 ffs.

Kane made his debut a few weeks before he was 22!!!

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Post by boyyanno » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:05 pm

I actually watched Wilson and thought I wish we had a striker similar to him. Quick, strong and a goal threat. He's not world class and probably not quite good enough to be an England regular, but he's a decent player.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:11 pm

boyyanno wrote:I actually watched Wilson and thought I wish we had a striker similar to him. Quick, strong and a goal threat. He's not world class and probably not quite good enough to be an England regular, but he's a decent player.
We had one called Andre. Nobody rated him.

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Post by SGr » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:00 pm

Spijed wrote:Probably until they come up against a decent side in a major tournament.
We shall see. Not much to live up to either way, 1966 remains England’s only cup win.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:53 pm

England caps are now seriously devalued as a host of players of average ability are promoted by a manager of very average ability himself.
Southgates clutching at straws capping any Charlie who has a couple of decent games.Tom and Nick must be gutted as their injuries stopped a developing international career.
How on earth Alex McCarthy got a cap is beyond me.
Joe Hart was the obvious choice with a string of excellent games but Southgate is obsessed with younger players.This is despite perceived wisdom that a keeper gets better after 30.We will win nothing with Southgate in charge.

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by duncandisorderly » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:01 pm

ooo....not keen on 'very average'. Could be wrong, has been known. Wordo's? Is 'very average' okay?

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Post by Milltown1882 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:16 pm

In class form for his club, played well on his England debut and scored on his England debut. What more do you want?

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Post by Milltown1882 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:17 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:England caps are now seriously devalued as a host of players of average ability are promoted by a manager of very average ability himself.
Southgates clutching at straws capping any Charlie who has a couple of decent games.Tom and Nick must be gutted as their injuries stopped a developing international career.
How on earth Alex McCarthy got a cap is beyond me.
Joe Hart was the obvious choice with a string of excellent games but Southgate is obsessed with younger players.This is despite perceived wisdom that a keeper gets better after 30.We will win nothing with Southgate in charge.
Alex McCarthy is 28..

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:26 pm

SGr wrote:Wilson played well, great movement and positioning. Just lacked a finish for a few chances, one of which he basically fashioned himself. Took his goal very well, not an easy finish by any stretch

Always makes me laugh when I see people calling out the current England team. “Look how far we’ve fallen” whilst posting pictures of the so-called Golden Generation that won absolutely f*ck all. This is the best England side in years, and it’s only going to get better.
That Golden Generation never even reached the heights of a semi-final appearance,the exciting thing about this England squad is most will play another 3/4 major tournaments,whether they can win anything time will tell,winning World Cups and European Championships isn't easy just look at Belgium's talent and yet they haven't tasted success.
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Post by SGr » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:05 am

tiger76 wrote:That Golden Generation never even reached the heights of a semi-final appearance,the exciting thing about this England squad is most will play another 3/4 major tournaments,whether they can win anything time will tell,winning World Cups and European Championships isn't easy just look at Belgium's talent and yet they haven't tasted success.
Agree entirely

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:00 pm

England have lacked desire to win reaching semi finals is like finishing forth in a 100m sprint, yet they are fated for their effort.A succession of managers have accepted 2nd best as good enough.It isnt.
I dont beleive it hurts our stars enough when they lose despite their crocodile teams and hand wringing after another failure in a major tournament.
We get platitudes about certain players being world class and the next big thing which is part of the issue with rising stars beleiving the hype from the media.
The reality of a Premier league full of foreigners is very few players eligible to play for England are coming into first team squads
I admire the optimism of posters on here but were Englands future is concerned I can't share this view.

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Re: Calum Wilson England class?

Post by IanMcL » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:12 pm

Southgate's Striker equivalent of Chalobah, in midfield!

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