Man Utd Friendly 6th December 1986

Working_Class_Zero · Post by **Working_Class_Zero** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:15 pm

Anyone know the line-ups from this game?
What was the reason it was played mid-season?

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:10 pm

i went to this game .think we didn't have a league game that day ..we got beat 4-0 and Steve Gardner played for them

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:20 am

Blackburnclaret wrote:i went to this game .think we didn't have a league game that day ..we got beat 4-0 and Steve Gardner played for them

Definitely didn’t have a league game, I checked in the Clarets Chronicle but had league games the week before and after. A strange game to slip into the schedule.

gc14 · Post by **gc14** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:01 am

We had lost 0-3 at Telford in the FA Cup so the 6th Dec was probably the date for the 2nd round games ..

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:25 am

I think gc14 has got that absolutely spot on

Working_Class_Zero · Post by **Working_Class_Zero** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:35 am

Thanks. I was reminded of this from a Manure fan who went. He seems to think that had a decent XI out but Utd played Spurs in the league the day affter so it was probably more a reserve team.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:19 am

I was on this game as well was my first ever Burnley game I seem to remember Gary Bailey being the keeper (I maybe wrong a lot of water under the bridge since then and can’t be arsed googling) terry Gibson there was a midfielder played for City and United I think name escapes me and one or 2 other well known people otherwise it was reserves.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:36 am

Found it at the back of Clarets Chronicles. No lineups but we lost 0-4.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:57 pm

Mike Duxbury definitely played for United. And we had Derek Parlane on trial. He ended up signing for Rochdale and playing against us in the New Years Day game where we lost 3-0 and that is the worst I have ever seen the Clarets play that day. Maybe hard for some to believe and I know CT agrees with me, but we were FAR worse against Rochdale on NYD than we were when we lost 6 nowt to Hereford.

djemba-djemba · Post by **djemba-djemba** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:31 pm

Brian Miller's programme notes:
"As we had an open date today, and Manchester United's League fixture against Tottenham at Old Trafford, is a Sunday match, the friendly match seemed an ideal proposition and we appreciate the co-operation of Old Trafford officials in arranging it".

Can't work out how to attach photos of the game though.

djemba-djemba · Post by **djemba-djemba** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:43 pm

Burnley line-up v Man Utd was:
1. Joe Neenan
2. Peter Leebrook
3. Darren Heesom
4. Billy Rodaway
5. Micky Southern
6. Ray Deakin
7. Neil Grewcock
8. Jason Harris
9. Derek Parlane
10. Leighton James
11. Ashley Hoskin

Subs
Ian Britton
Phil Malley

Don't know the Man Utd line-up but I do have a photo showing Steve Gardner playing for them like blackburnclaret said.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:32 pm

All the names there are recognisable apart from the No.5, Micky Southern. Did he have any sort of career with us?

djemba-djemba · Post by **djemba-djemba** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:45 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:All the names there are recognisable apart from the No.5, Micky Southern. Did he have any sort of career with us?

Played just 1 competitive games v Bolton at home in a Freight Rover Trophy game in December 1986.
George Oghani scored for Bolton that day.
Released in May 1987.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:55 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:All the names there are recognisable apart from the No.5, Micky Southern. Did he have any sort of career with us?

If he's the same Micky Southern I know of he is a local lad and a keen golfer & plays snooker for a club,for which club has escaped me...

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:07 am

gc14 wrote:We had lost 0-3 at Telford in the FA Cup so the 6th Dec was probably the date for the 2nd round games ..

I remember the Telford game but not the United friendly. Why on earth would united want a friendly against a low 4th division club in December is beyond me?
December has always been a busy month on the football calendar, if this game took place they must have sent their reserve team

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:05 am

I have located a potential United line up, not sure how accurate this is:

1. Gary Bailey/Gary Walsh
2. Tony Gill/Lee Martin
3. Liam O'Brady/Billy Garton
4. Kevin Moran
5. Bryan Robson
6. Gordon Strachan
7. Micky Wood
8. Norman Whiteside
9. Dennis Cronin
10. Aidan Murphy
11. Joe Hanrahan
12. Steve Gardner

TheClaret · Post by **TheClaret** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:08 pm

Robson, Whitesides and strachan didn’t play.

I’m sure we lost 4-0 and Peter Barnes scored a hatrick or perhaps even all 4

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:01 pm

No wonder we lost they had 12 men.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:04 pm

Did we also play Preston in a friendly on 2nd round day the following season? I'm sure I've got a programme but would only have been 11 so have no recollection of it. Was it usual to play such friendlies back then?

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:10 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:19 am
I was on this game as well was my first ever Burnley game I seem to remember

glory hunter!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:04 pm
Did we also play Preston in a friendly on 2nd round day the following season? I'm sure I've got a programme but would only have been 11 so have no recollection of it. Was it usual to play such friendlies back then?

We were knocked out of the FA Cup in the 1st round by Bolton in 1987/88 and arranged friendlies on both 2nd and 3rd round days against Preston and Huddersfield respectively and someone who posts on this board was involved in organising the Huddersfield game.

We beat Preston 3-1 with goals from David Reeves, Stewart Hooper and Ian Britton. The Huddersfield game was a 1-1 draw with Steve Taylor scoring our goal.

Programme covers at
https://www.uptheclarets.com/programmes ... son-198788

claretbob · Post by **claretbob** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:04 am

I lived on Stroyan street in those days and bumped into Brian Miller as he was walking up Brunshaw Road after the game. I’d not bothered with the game and asked him the score. He told me we’d hit the woodwork twice before sheepishly admitting we’d lost 4 nil to a United reserve team.

It’s hard for our younger fans to realise how desperate things were then, there seemed no hope whatsoever and apathy ruled. Poor old Brian was probably heading back to do a shift in his newsagents, a world away from the millionaire lifestyle of our current incumbent.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:36 am

claretbob wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:04 am
I lived on Stroyan street in those days and bumped into Brian Miller as he was walking up Brunshaw Road after the game. I’d not bothered with the game and asked him the score. He told me we’d hit the woodwork twice before sheepishly admitting we’d lost 4 nil to a United reserve team.

It’s hard for our younger fans to realise how desperate things were then, there seemed no hope whatsoever and apathy ruled. Poor old Brian was probably heading back to do a shift in his newsagents, a world away from the millionaire lifestyle of our current incumbent.

Hard to believe now that a Football League manager would have another job but Brian had the sweet shop next to the ground during his first stint as manager and then the newsagents in Worsthorne during the second time.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:10 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 pm
We were knocked out of the FA Cup in the 1st round by Bolton in 1987/88 and arranged friendlies on both 2nd and 3rd round days against Preston and Huddersfield respectively and someone who posts on this board was involved in organising the Huddersfield game.

We beat Preston 3-1 with goals from David Reeves, Stewart Hooper and Ian Britton. The Huddersfield game was a 1-1 draw with Steve Taylor scoring our goal.

Programme covers at
https://www.uptheclarets.com/programmes ... son-198788

The Bolton game was only my second or third game. I'd gone previously just with my brother and his mates but my dad decided he would come to this one with us. He'd stopped going in 1976 for various reasons, one of which being the hooliganism.

I'm surprised he let us go again after that game.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:15 am

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:10 am
The Bolton game was only my second or third game. I'd gone previously just with my brother and his mates but my dad decided he would come to this one with us. He'd stopped going in 1976 for various reasons, one of which being the hooliganism.

I'm surprised he let us go again after that game.

That Bolton cup tie was horrendous and they were back at the Turf a week later for the league game. They thought having former players leading out the teams might calm things so we were led out that day by Tommy Cummings and Nat Lofthouse.

If you dad thought it was bad in 1976 then I wonder what the hell he thought of that Bolton game.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:18 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:15 am
That Bolton cup tie was horrendous and they were back at the Turf a week later for the league game. They thought having former players leading out the teams might calm things so we were led out that day by Tommy Cummings and Nat Lofthouse.

If you dad thought it was bad in 1976 then I wonder what the hell he thought of that Bolton game.

The cup tie was an eye opener for me stood at the bottom of the longside. A padlock was thrown and hit someone in front of me luckily in the arm, but there were cups, coins, stones and other objects being thrown at each other, followed by the scenes on the pitch at the end. Outside was also fairly wild. Then the week after it was like 2 different sets of fans had turned up.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:32 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:18 am
The cup tie was an eye opener for me stood at the bottom of the longside. A padlock was thrown and hit someone in front of me luckily in the arm, but there were cups, coins, stones and other objects being thrown at each other, followed by the scenes on the pitch at the end. Outside was also fairly wild. Then the week after it was like 2 different sets of fans had turned up.

We were sat in the Bob Lord and I can still vividly see missiles being thrown back and forth in The Longside.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:10 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 pm
We were knocked out of the FA Cup in the 1st round by Bolton in 1987/88 and arranged friendlies on both 2nd and 3rd round days against Preston and Huddersfield respectively and someone who posts on this board was involved in organising the Huddersfield game.

We beat Preston 3-1 with goals from David Reeves, Stewart Hooper and Ian Britton. The Huddersfield game was a 1-1 draw with Steve Taylor scoring our goal.

Programme covers at
https://www.uptheclarets.com/programmes ... son-198788

What were the attendances for these friendlies? Remember the Huddersfield one and Steve Taylor scoring.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:26 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:10 am
What were the attendances for these friendlies? Remember the Huddersfield one and Steve Taylor scoring.

There were 2,102 at the Man U friendly in 1986/87 and in the following season there were 1,630 at the Preston game and 2,057 for Huddersfield.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:31 am

claretblue wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:10 pm
glory hunter!

Ha ha correct as glorified as Man Utd reserves are I had to suffer some pretty unglamorous fixtures in the proceeding years because of it.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:24 am

TheClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:08 pm
Robson, Whitesides and strachan didn’t play.

It’s Whiteside....

TheClaret · Post by **TheClaret** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:59 am

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:24 am
It’s Whiteside....

It’s Whiteside.

Claret1205 · Post by **Claret1205** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:16 am

United team was: Walsh, Gill, Martin, Murphy, Garton, Gardner, Blackmore, O’Brien, Gibson, Wood, Barnes. Subs: Harvey, Hanrahan.

Presume Martin will be Lee Martin who scored winning goal in 1990 cup final. Clayton Blackmore, Terry Gibson and Peter Barnes other ones who would be fairly well known.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:22 am

RocketLawnChair wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:57 pm
Mike Duxbury definitely played for United. And we had Derek Parlane on trial. He ended up signing for Rochdale and playing against us in the New Years Day game where we lost 3-0 and that is the worst I have ever seen the Clarets play that day. Maybe hard for some to believe and I know CT agrees with me, but we were FAR worse against Rochdale on NYD than we were when we lost 6 nowt to Hereford.

And some of our supporters loved those days, they obviously never went on like we did. Those type of fans more than likely started supporting us after the Orient game, when the following season our home gates doubled

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:32 am

Top Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:22 am
And some of our supporters loved those days, they obviously never went on like we did. Those type of fans more than likely started supporting us after the Orient game, when the following season our home gates doubled

That reference to the Rochdale game (0-3) being far worse than the Hereford game (0-6). I have no doubt. Against Rochdale we didn't offer anything, not a semblence of a chance. They created at least half a dozen of which they scored three.

Hereford was, in some ways, a more even game in that we both created an equal number of chances. The problem was they scored all theirs and we scored none of ours.

But that Rochdale performance was as bad as we saw all season.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:34 am

Claret1205 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:16 am
United team was: Walsh, Gill, Martin, Murphy, Garton, Gardner, Blackmore, O’Brien, Gibson, Wood, Barnes. Subs: Harvey, Hanrahan.

Presume Martin will be Lee Martin who scored winning goal in 1990 cup final. Clayton Blackmore, Terry Gibson and Peter Barnes other ones who would be fairly well known.

Thanks for that Claret1205, I can cross it off my list of things to look up if and when I ever get back to the library. Wood and Barnes up front too for United, they must have been very young then.

I can't remember much about the game but I wonder if Steve Gardner impressed which then led to us signing him?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:34 am

Claret1205 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:16 am
United team was: Walsh, Gill, Martin, Murphy, Garton, Gardner, Blackmore, O’Brien, Gibson, Wood, Barnes. Subs: Harvey, Hanrahan.

Presume Martin will be Lee Martin who scored winning goal in 1990 cup final. Clayton Blackmore, Terry Gibson and Peter Barnes other ones who would be fairly well known.

Gary Walsh in goal spent time at Bradford

Liam O Brien played for Man Utd & Newcastle

Gibson will be Colin Gibson

Others no idea

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:38 am

Claret1205 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:16 am
United team was: Walsh, Gill, Martin, Murphy, Garton, Gardner, Blackmore, O’Brien, Gibson, Wood, Barnes. Subs: Harvey, Hanrahan.

Presume Martin will be Lee Martin who scored winning goal in 1990 cup final. Clayton Blackmore, Terry Gibson and Peter Barnes other ones who would be fairly well known.

I think I can add some Christian names to that team.

Gary Walsh, Anthony Gill, Lee Martin, Aidan Murphy, Billy Garton, Steve Gardner, Clayton Blackmore, Liam O'Brien, Terry Gibson, Nicholas Wood, Peter Barnes, Subs: Paul Harvey, Joe Hanrahan.

Some confusion on the Gibson - they had both Colin Gibson and Terry Gibson but given Gibson is listed at 9 I've gone for Terry who was the forward.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:49 am

That's not a bad side.

Would we back a current Burnley second string to beat a team struggling at the foot of Division Four? I'd certainly expect us to win.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:56 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:38 am
I think I can add some Christian names to that team.

Gary Walsh, Anthony Gill, Lee Martin, Aidan Murphy, Billy Garton, Steve Gardner, Clayton Blackmore, Liam O'Brien, Terry Gibson, Nicholas Wood, Peter Barnes, Subs: Paul Harvey, Joe Hanrahan.

Some confusion on the Gibson - they had both Colin Gibson and Terry Gibson but given Gibson is listed at 9 I've gone for Terry who was the forward.

Thought he was at Wimbledon but he was at United that season

Claret1205 · Post by **Claret1205** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:38 pm

Definitely Terry Gibson rather than Colin. He scored third United goal.
Only other time he’d have played against us would have the 4-1 League Cup win at Tottenham and I think he got Spurs goal that night.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:24 pm

Claret1205 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:38 pm
Definitely Terry Gibson rather than Colin. He scored third United goal.
Only other time he’d have played against us would have the 4-1 League Cup win at Tottenham and I think he got Spurs goal that night.

He definitely got the Spurs goal that night, right at the start of the second half.