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Your team v Newcastle

Post by Mala591 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:50 am

4-4-1-1 ( is that ok with you CT :-) )

Cork or Hendrick left central midfield
Brady or Vydra as no. 10
McNeil to give us a more attacking threat

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Defour Cork/Hendrick McNeil
Brady/Vydra
Barnes

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:58 am

Hart Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG (if fit) Defour Cork Lennon
Hendrick
Wood

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by colne-claret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:07 am

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Cork Defour Brady
Vydra
Wood
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:13 am

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Hendrick Defour Westwood
Gudmundsson Brady
Wood

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:20 am

Same team as colne-claret

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:24 am

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Cork Defour Brady
Vydra
Wood
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:01 pm

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Lennon Westwood Defour Hendrick JBG
Vokes

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:07 pm

Hard to think what's worse, the suggestion of Hendrick in a No.10 role or Vokes in the starting eleven.
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:10 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Hard to think what's worse, the suggestion of Hendrick in a No.10 role or Vokes in the starting eleven.
Vokes has been playing well and has deserved his place recently while the constant going on about Hendrick has become tiresome. We play better when he’s there than when he’s not and over the last year have had better results with him there. But let’s continue the attack on Hendrick. No wonder he plays better away from home. Was the same with Brady last season.
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:46 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Hard to think what's worse, the suggestion of Hendrick in a No.10 role or Vokes in the starting eleven.
Good point. We should drop our best striker this season.

Il swap Vokes for Agyei.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:16 pm

Whatever line up we play, let's hope it's set up to, or at least capable of scoring 2 goals.
I know it only Needs to be 1 for 3 points, but I think they'll score, and if they score first whilst we are playing our famouse keep it tight and nick a goal tactic, it wont yield the 3 points we so desperately want and need.

No games a must win at this stage, but make no mistake about it this is a massive game for us, purely with the run of fixtures coming up.

Let's hope we don't serve up the toothless long ball dross we have been doing.

I'd like

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Hendrick Defour Lennon
Wood Vokes

I've a feeling

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Defour Cork Lennon
Hendrick
Vokes

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by summitclaret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:29 pm

Jbg or Brady for nr 10 role. Remember how Huddersfield overran us in midfield.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:00 pm

Horses for courses.
Sam scored at st James, Hendrick scored on the Turf, start them both
Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Brady Defour Hendrick JBG
Vydra
Vokes




But I suppose we'll start with the same again, God knows why.......

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:55 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Good point. We should drop our best striker this season.

Il swap Vokes for Agyei.
Who mentioned Agyei?

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:11 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Who mentioned Agyei?
Me obviously. And now you!

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by OssyClaret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:33 pm

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Gudmundsson Cork Westwood Brady
Barnes Vokes

And a cold wintery night under the lights, perfect to get after them from the off.

Always think we’re a better side with Barnes

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by OssyClaret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:39 pm

A dozen or so sides named and only a couple with Barnes named surprises me. The best of our 4 strikers for me and creates situations for others to contribute in that Wood doesn’t

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by vinrogue » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:43 pm

This is really about picking the front 6. At home and we need to put the Geordies under pressure.

Defour, a rested and refreshed Cork, JBG, and then it is all about the tough options any 3 from Lennon, Hendrick, Brady, Vokes, Barnes, Wood, Vydra with McNeill the also ran. Tactically the 3 players from this list of 8 will be the difference from doom and gloom to happy days are here again. UTC

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:53 pm

OssyClaret wrote:Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Gudmundsson Cork Westwood Brady
Barnes Vokes

And a cold wintery night under the lights, perfect to get after them from the off.

Always think we’re a better side with Barnes
Yep, a cold wintery night will have them wondering what's hit them :lol:

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by SGr » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:37 pm

4-2-3-1

-——————Hart——————-

Lowton—Long—Mee—Taylor

————Defour—Cork————

JBG————Vydra————Brady

-——————Wood——————-
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Goobs » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:44 pm

Very difficult decisions for Dyche coming up soon as players return to health and look to compete which surely can only be good for us. Already changed my mind several times today on what I think the line up should be for Newcastle.

Think this is the sort of Game where we really need to get at them.

Personally would go:

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Hendrick Defour Westwood
JBG Brady
Wood
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by SGr » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:54 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Hard to think what's worse, the suggestion of Hendrick in a No.10 role or Vokes in the starting eleven.
Lennon instead of Brady is up there too
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Vokes has been playing well and has deserved his place recently while the constant going on about Hendrick has become tiresome. We play better when he’s there than when he’s not and over the last year have had better results with him there. But let’s continue the attack on Hendrick. No wonder he plays better away from home. Was the same with Brady last season.
No attack on Hendrick from me. I think we are a better team with him in midfield but not in the role we've too often seen him in, the so-called No.10 role. He not only struggles there but invariably seems to be the first player to be 'hooked' when things are not working out. And that can't exactly be doing anything for his self-confidence.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:39 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:No attack on Hendrick from me. I think we are a better team with him in midfield but not in the role we've too often seen him in, the so-called No.10 role. He not only struggles there but invariably seems to be the first player to be 'hooked' when things are not working out. And that can't exactly be doing anything for his self-confidence.
He played in that supposed number 10 role when we climbed to 4th last season. Hardly struggled.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by SGr » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He played in that supposed number 10 role when we climbed to 4th last season. Hardly struggled.
This is the only argument I’ve ever seen for Hendrick in that position. Not his performances, or his contributions to goals or assists, but simply that Dyche has picked him to play there a lot.

Sad!
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:44 pm

SGr wrote:This is the only argument I’ve ever seen for Hendrick in that position. Not his performances, or his contributions to goals or assists, but simply that Dyche has picked him to play there a lot.

Sad!
I think all the unnecessary comments are sad too. Dyche has explained his role umpteen times and admitted he’s learning it. But there is a Hendrick agenda quite clearly. That’s what’s sad.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by SGr » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think all the unnecessary comments are sad too. Dyche has explained his role umpteen times and admitted he’s learning it. But there is a Hendrick agenda quite clearly. That’s what’s sad.
No agenda against the player from me. Think he plays quite well in central midfield. Performances behind the striker are another matter.
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:50 pm

SGr wrote:No agenda against the player from me. Think he plays quite well in central midfield. Performances behind the striker are another matter.
He doesn’t play in what you consider central midfield.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by SGr » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He doesn’t play in what you consider central midfield.

Feel free to elaborate, but my point regards when he plays off the striker in the “number 10”, which I don’t see him as effective in.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Mala591 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:06 pm

Goobs wrote:Very difficult decisions for Dyche coming up soon as players return to health and look to compete which surely can only be good for us. Already changed my mind several times today on what I think the line up should be for Newcastle.

Think this is the sort of Game where we really need to get at them.

Personally would go:

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Hendrick Defour Westwood
JBG Brady
Wood
I like the idea of trying three together across midfield. The problem is getting the right
combination of players to complement each other. This formation also has the advantage of reducing (not eliminating) the two supporting forwards from defensive duties.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He played in that supposed number 10 role when we climbed to 4th last season. Hardly struggled.
Target for the boo-boys is Hendrick.
There was a very interesting article on how very effective he was in that role last season, it described him as recycling the ball.
it's a pity more posters don't understand it.

However, I'd rest him and Brady because they played in midweek:

Hart,
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG, Defour Cork Westwood
Barnes
Vokes

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by theroyaldyche » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:56 pm

Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Defour Brady
Wood Vydra Barnes

BRADY HAS TO START

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:04 pm

I think this redser guy should start, he'll stiffen up the defence. :D

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by kaptin1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Hart Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG (if fit) Defour Cork Lennon
Hendrick
Wood
Not convinced by having 5 at the back with Hart on the right and no goalie..

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by SGr » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Target for the boo-boys is Hendrick.
There was a very interesting article on how very effective he was in that role last season, it described him as recycling the ball.
it's a pity more posters don't understand it.
I read that article. Don’t agree with it though.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:39 pm

Pearce
Measham Davis Pender Jacob
Little Deary Randall White
Conroy Blake

It's thanksgiving, I've used it as an excuse to drink early !

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Nonayforever » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think all the unnecessary comments are sad too. Dyche has explained his role umpteen times and admitted he’s learning it. But there is a Hendrick agenda quite clearly. That’s what’s sad.
I think that is such a sad indictment from a premier League manager that can be allowed to spend £15m on a player who then has to learn a role.
It's little wonder we are looking for a director of football.
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:53 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Pearce
Measham Davis Pender Jacob
Little Deary Randall White
Conroy Blake

It's thanksgiving, I've used it as an excuse to drink early !

Quite clearly, because we've never had a left back by the surname of Jacob.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:15 pm

If Lennon is picked over Brady for a game like this then you really have to question whether Dyche has completely lost the plot from the way he had us playing in the first half of last season.

My team would be
Hart
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
JBG Defour Cork Brady
Hendrick or Vydra
Wood

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:28 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Quite clearly, because we've never had a left back by the surname of Jacob.
if that's the only fault you can find BOT then I'm happy with that :lol:

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:02 am

SGr wrote:No agenda against the player from me. Think he plays quite well in central midfield. Performances behind the striker are another matter.
Have to agree.

Centre mid he is fine. Behind the striker he offers very little far too often. Not enough goals or assists for that role.

Centre mid he is physical and carries the ball reasonably well.
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:00 am

Heaton
Lowton Long Mee Taylor
Defour Cork
JBG Vydra Brady
Wood

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:54 am

Heaton
Bardsley Long Mee Taylor
Gudmunsson Defour Hendrick Brady
Vokes Barnes
Subs Ageyi.McNeil.Cork.Lowton.Wood.Vydra

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:48 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Have to agree.

Centre mid he is fine. Behind the striker he offers very little far too often. Not enough goals or assists for that role.

Centre mid he is physical and carries the ball reasonably well.
But an article suggested he was effective in that role so there!!!!

An article from a certain author with a certain view on football. He may well have been right but quite possibly, so were the cavemen who suggested that their particular style of food preservation would always work.

Hendrick, in `that role`, last season, worked because (in my opinion) the whole team was working incredibly effectively until Defour and Brady exited the stage left. After that and again, in my opinion, the whole Hendrick experiment in `that` position was a complete failure. This season it has not worked once and will not work again until the whole team, in my opinion, is flowing beautifully as it was in the early/mid stages of last season. That may or may not happen. I would have Hendrick in a midfield 3 alongside Defour and Westwood (Cork has been INCREDIBLY poor this season). Cork was amazing last season so maybe that gives him a free ticket this season and an article/agenda, defending his corner.

This is Dyche`s ball and chains and only the wanna blind will not even entertain the possibility that he is incapable of seeing the flaws in his masterplan. It has worked incredibly well most of the time but when we are losing, not even giving Huddersfield a game at home and seem bereft of our former togetherness, athleticism and pressing abilities, only a blind man on a galloping horse would not see there is something that needs tweaking.
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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:50 am

SGr wrote:I read that article. Don’t agree with it though.
YOU CAN`T DISAGREE WITH AN ARTICLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:59 am

OssyClaret wrote:A dozen or so sides named and only a couple with Barnes named surprises me. The best of our 4 strikers for me and creates situations for others to contribute in that Wood doesn’t
I think, like myself, quite a few people sub-consciously have deleted Barnes (McNeil and Vydra too) from their line-ups as they know they will NOT be picked.

Barnes was, alongside Mee, the ticking heartbeat of Burnley last season yet both of them seem to have really struggled with performances this season. Europa League???? Something`s rum with the Barnes situation. An article suggested as much but the powers that beo on here don`t accept THAT article. The Hendrick one is akin to the bible!!!!!

I would have Barnes in my team every time (ESPECIALLY away) but now, alas, he seems surplus to requirements, as many of our first team were who got us the Europe.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Mala591 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:31 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:I think, like myself, quite a few people sub-consciously have deleted Barnes (McNeil and Vydra too) from their line-ups as they know they will NOT be picked.

Barnes was, alongside Mee, the ticking heartbeat of Burnley last season yet both of them seem to have really struggled with performances this season. Europa League???? Something`s rum with the Barnes situation. An article suggested as much but the powers that beo on here don`t accept THAT article. The Hendrick one is akin to the bible!!!!!

I would have Barnes in my team every time (ESPECIALLY away) but now, alas, he seems surplus to requirements, as many of our first team were who got us the Europe.
I too am confused by Barnes sudden loss of form. There has definitely been some backroom unrest which has affected him. He hasn't helped himself though as he seems to have reverted to being more interested in being fouled than controlling and moving the ball.

If he can re-focus and work back towards last season's form he will once again be our first choice central forward.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by RVclaret » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:11 pm

Hart
Lowton
Long
Mee
Taylor
JBG
Defour
Cork
Brady
Vydra
Wood

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by Blackrod » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:50 pm

SGr wrote:4-2-3-1

-——————Hart——————-

Lowton—Long—Mee—Taylor

————Defour—Cork————

JBG————Vydra————Brady

-——————Wood——————-
This team for me.

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Re: Your team v Newcastle

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:54 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:But an article suggested he was effective in that role so there!!!!

An article from a certain author with a certain view on football. He may well have been right but quite possibly, so where the cavemen who suggested that their particular style of food preservation would always work.

Hendrick, in `that role`, last season, worked because (in my opinion) the whole team was working incredibly effectively until Defour and Brady exited the stage left. After that and again, in my opinion, the whole Hendrick experiment in `that` position was a complete failure. This season it has not worked once and will not work again until the whole team, in my opinion, is flowing beautifully as it was in the early/mid stages of last season. That may or may not happen. I would have Hendrick in a midfield 3 alongside Defour and Westwood (Cork has been INCREDIBLY poor this season). Cork was amazing last season so maybe that gives him a free ticket this season and an article/agenda, defending his corner.

This is Dyche`s ball and chains and only the wanna blind will not even entertain the possibility that he is incapable of seeing the flaws in his masterplan. It has worked incredibly well most of the time but when we are losing, not even giving Huddersfield a game at home and seem bereft of our former togetherness, athleticism and pressing abilities, only a blind man on a galloping horse would not see there is something that needs tweaking.
Agree completely with all that

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