Christmas, whose fault is it?

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:01 pm

Kids asking for all sorts, is it not easier to simply tell them the truth from the start?

If you're going to convince them that some chubby white bearded bloke in a red suit turns up in a sleigh drawn by reindeer and leaves them all the things they've asked for under the tree, it's no wonder they want everything they see.

Instead of letting them think it's ok because some bloke and his helpers make all the toys, why not be honest and tell them that you have to go to work all week to earn the money to buy them, maybe they'll realise it doesn't just magically appear and are likely to be more appreciating and respectful with what they ask for and receive.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:15 pm

I only ever asked for a lump of coal and a tangerine when i was a kid,and you know what,i was bloody thankful for it.
Bloody kids nowadays don't know they're born.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:17 pm

Yep why lie to anyone tell them from the start

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:22 pm

Yep- be realistic. At the same time, tell them that they're only going to die in a few score years (and possibly in pain) and that the planet and universe are doomed too.

It's nice to believe some "magic" when you're young (say up to 5/6 yo for Santa) so long as it's not overspun - reality will set in soon enough.

There are plenty of grown ups out there still believing in the all-powerful-man-in-the-sky type myth; believing in Santa seems fairly sane by comparison.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:23 pm

Had to smile at an article I read yesterday. Amazon, in response to criticism levelled at them regarding over-packaging, have decided to dispense with their cadboard box packaging. You'll receive the item in its original "works" box.
Kids now won't have to waste time by secretly lifting and feeling their wrapped up and stashed away "surprise" presents - they'll have already seen them left on the doorstep by the delivery bloke............Ah, the magic never ends...

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:24 pm

bartons baggage wrote:I only ever asked for a lump of coal and a tangerine when i was a kid,and you know what,i was bloody thankful for it.
Bloody kids nowadays don't know they're born.

Luxury.
We used to dream about Lumps of Coal and a Tangerine.....
There were 42 of us living in a septic tank on a Rubbish tip...... Lumps of Coal and a Tangerine pffffffffff

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:36 pm

Get some Château de Chasselas down ya lad.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:46 pm

We're not Yorkshiremen though.

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:49 pm

I blame the Americans and Coca Cola!!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:55 pm

Nowt wrong with a bit of magic for the kids.

Its the commercialism and competition its become thats the issue.

Christmas starting in october. And facebook pictures of the biggest tree and biggest pile of presents...

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:00 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Kids asking for all sorts, is it not easier to simply tell them the truth from the start?

If you're going to convince them that some chubby white bearded bloke in a red suit turns up in a sleigh drawn by reindeer and leaves them all the things they've asked for under the tree, it's no wonder they want everything they see.

Instead of letting them think it's ok because some bloke and his helpers make all the toys, why not be honest and tell them that you have to go to work all week to earn the money to buy them, maybe they'll realise it doesn't just magically appear and are likely to be more appreciating and respectful with what they ask for and receive.

I'd love to see Christmas in your house NNN!

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Father Christmas has only ever given children 1 present each (and these are not overtly extravagant - that is ample - if necessary you can tell him he delivered the rest from friends and family - those presents should have tags on to show who they are from and in that way you have the magic and control the extravagance

so if you haven't managed the expectation in this way the fault is your own

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:06 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:We're not Yorkshiremen though.

I am....

And proud of it too.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:23 pm

Three Kings, wise men from the East started it.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:28 pm

just been up in the loft got the lights out and they all work ! got a tree from Ikea to go outside so will next weekend start the trimming up. Whilst I was up there saw the sign for Santa this way needs touching up but its ready for the big man to deliver the presents

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:36 pm

pureclaret wrote:just been up in the loft got the lights out and they all work ! got a tree from Ikea to go outside so will next weekend start the trimming up. Whilst I was up there saw the sign for Santa this way needs touching up but its ready for the big man to deliver the presents

Been up got ours down along with tree and decs and tested our lights too.... all seem in order...

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:47 pm

OP:

Are you implying it isn't true?
Shame on you!
I can't believe this thread has got this far
without somebody challenging him.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:53 pm

Sean Dyche is the real Father Christmas and he knows who have been good boys and girls on here this year.
Don't be surprised if some of you don't get any presents on Christmas morning. Yo Ho Ho.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:55 pm

It's your fault you produced the kids - probably because the Missus had too much tart fuel at Xmas.
Sow the seed reap the cost.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:58 pm

The parents of course for going along with it year after year.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:04 pm

brexit wrote:It's your fault you produced the kids - probably because the Missus had too much tart fuel at Xmas.
Sow the seed reap the cost.

Where do you get the "tart fuel" I think the wife needs some

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:28 pm

Bosscat
Padiham Spar that little alcove (the clientele reminds me of the old dirty book shop on Station Road opposite the Police Station) near the tills third shelf down on the left.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:21 pm

Presents are a symbol of the gift of the present i.e. the form and space and Earth safety that allows us to be and experience the cosmic mystery. It comes from a mystic unknown source symbolized by Father Christmas, given with love as a veneration and of life i.e. the Christian ethos and at Christmas to represent hope and a turning to the light via the winter solstice.

As a miracle life is as magic as a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat, only it REALLY IS magic-ing a rabbit out of thin air, of which the magician signifies using a trick.

The Christmas tree is a source of purity and sustenance in winter i.e. firewood and pine perfume and can feed the mystic dreams and synesthesia colour emotions in young children as well as adults and they are very nice, plus the feast as a celebration of sustenance and cooperation among fellow humans.

Christmas is good if one can comprehend meaning to it. Everyone likes 'Rudoplh the red-nosed raindeer' song and 'Good king Wencelas etc'. it's a hearty festival ordinarily and a Burnley victory over Everton on Boxing day, to continue the good vibes hopefully.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:31 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Nowt wrong with a bit of magic for the kids.

Its the commercialism and competition its become thats the issue.

Christmas starting in october. And facebook pictures of the biggest tree and biggest pile of presents...

This just about somes it up. I'm sure it's not become as vulgar in many other countries. I certainly won't be posting any piles of presents on Facebook.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:55 pm

Blackrod wrote:This just about somes it up. I'm sure it's not become as vulgar in many other countries. I certainly won't be posting any piles of presents on Facebook.

To give one example, I've been in Gdansk and Poznan the weekend before Christmas and been into the big shopping centres in both cities which were virtually deserted. You can barely move in city centres and shopping centres over here at that time of year.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:10 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:Three Kings from the East started it.

King Hold,Dragon King and I suppose the Burger King for a third. but I'm hard pressed to understand how you can blame two Chinese Takeaways and a Burger Bar in Bradford for Christmas? I'd have thought Joe Hart was a more likely candidate; pretty much everything else on this board seems to be his fault.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:36 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:King Hold,Dragon King and I suppose the Burger King for a third. but I'm hard pressed to understand how you can blame two Chinese Takeaways and a Burger Bar in Bradford for Christmas? I'd have thought Joe Hart was a more likely candidate; pretty much everything else on this board seems to be his fault.

On the subject of food I was in Leeds today and had a Christmas Dinner with a difference in November.....a wrap.... being a large Yorkshire Pudding filled with turkey or pork,Stuffing vegetables of choice,apple or cranberry sauce and gravy.Sealed as a wrap. Will be back for another before Christmas. Quality and Free!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:44 pm

tim_noone wrote:On the subject of food I was in Leeds today and had a Christmas Dinner with a difference in November.....a wrap.... being a large Yorkshire Pudding filled with turkey or pork,Stuffing vegetables of choice,apple or cranberry sauce and gravy.Sealed as a wrap. Will be back for another before Christmas. Quality and Free!

Where was thst Tim ? Sounds delicious

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:55 pm

Bosscat wrote:Where was thst Tim ? Sounds delicious

Cross the road on exiting the train station up the main drag uphill into the town. It was Delicious My mate treated me. That's why it was free.

very busy fairground rides etc and food stalls a very good vibe everyone enjoying life! £7 quality food.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:35 pm

tim_noone wrote:On the subject of food I was in Leeds today and had a Christmas Dinner with a difference in November.....a wrap.... being a large Yorkshire Pudding filled with turkey or pork,Stuffing vegetables of choice,apple or cranberry sauce and gravy.Sealed as a wrap. Will be back for another before Christmas. Quality and Free!

Free????

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:36 pm

tim_noone wrote:Cross the road on exiting the train station up the main drag uphill into the town. It was Delicious My mate treated me. That's why it was free. very busy fairground rides etc and food stalls a very good vibe everyone enjoying life! £7 quality food.

Missed out on this!

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:43 am

The Christians started it by hijacking someone else's ritual/festive period to suit their agenda, making it easier to get people to follow Christianity, like they've done with all their religious dates.

Then it evolved from there into the money making machine we know it as today.
Personally I'd throw it in the bin, the father Christmas thing but unfortunately the ex wouldn't be happy with that idea

Something about the aggro I'd get from other parents if our daughter was to sit there at nursery and say Father Christmas isn't real.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:50 am

It wasn't Joseph's.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:13 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Free????

In Yorkshire????

claret59 · Post by **claret59** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:25 am

'The Christians started it by hijacking someone else's ritual/festive period to suit their agenda, making it easier to get people to follow Christianity, like they've done with all their religious dates.'

Blaming Christians for Christmas, when will the blame culture end ? The poster may have a point though, perhaps the words Christmas and Christian may be linked in some way.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:39 am

No Ney Never wrote:Kids asking for all sorts, is it not easier to simply tell them the truth from the start?

If you're going to convince them that some chubby white bearded bloke in a red suit turns up in a sleigh drawn by reindeer and leaves them all the things they've asked for under the tree, it's no wonder they want everything they see.

Instead of letting them think it's ok because some bloke and his helpers make all the toys, why not be honest and tell them that you have to go to work all week to earn the money to buy them, maybe they'll realise it doesn't just magically appear and are likely to be more appreciating and respectful with what they ask for and receive.

Thank you for your post Ebeneezer, Jacob Marley will be along soon to take you out for a walk.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:40 am

bartons baggage wrote:I only ever asked for a lump of coal and a tangerine when i was a kid,and you know what,i was bloody thankful for it.
Bloody kids nowadays don't know they're born.

Lump of coal? You were lucky.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:42 am

gawthorpe_view wrote:Three Kings, wise men from the East started it.

Wasn't it Jesus?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:46 am

Bosscat wrote:Been up got ours down along with tree and decs and tested our lights too.... all seem in order...

Get ours out next weekend. Advice for lazy buggers (guilty). If you want the outside decorations get a lazer. One wire, one thing stuck in the ground, whole house is lit up like Sydney Harbour Bridge at new year. Got it last year and I'm never going back to all the outside mallarky.

Technology - I bloody love it.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:47 am

I blame Coca Cola....

They re-invented the Red Suited, White Bearded, Jolly Fat Man as an advertising gimmick...

But here try this

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houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:49 am

brexit wrote:It's your fault you produced the kids - probably because the Missus had too much tart fuel at Xmas.
Sow the seed reap the cost.

What the hell is tart fuel? I'm in mareketing, you supply and I'll sell it.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:50 am

brexit wrote:Bosscat
Padiham Spar that little alcove (the clientele reminds me of the old dirty book shop on Station Road opposite the Police Station) near the tills third shelf down on the left.

Is the shelf near the floor? Does the girl behind the counter wear a mini skirt. Been there, done that, mainly in pubs.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:52 am

houseboy wrote: What the hell is tart fuel? I'm in mareketing, you supply and I'll sell it.

So you are to blame for the bloody Meerkats... grrrrrrr

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:52 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:To give one example, I've been in Gdansk and Poznan the weekend before Christmas and been into the big shopping centres in both cities which were virtually deserted. You can barely move in city centres and shopping centres over here at that time of year.

Is that not because they have no money mate?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:59 am

Bosscat wrote:So you are to blame for the bloody Meerkats... grrrrrrr

I know some people find them a tad annoying (I actually like the little fellows) but they are the work of a marketing genius. A great marketing campaign is one that is remembered for years after it's finished.
The Stanley milk ad put Accrington on the map.
Remember Tivvy for the TV Times?
The Cinzano ads with Leonard Rossiter and Joan Collins?
The Bisto ads?
The list is endless. Actually soap operas are so called after the ads that used to run like a series.

And finally: the PG Tips chimps - who could forget them.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:04 pm

houseboy wrote:Is that not because they have no money mate?

They don't have to queue up for a week for a loaf of bread anymore, you know.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:19 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
To give one example, I've been in Gdansk and Poznan the weekend before Christmas and been into the big shopping centres in both cities which were virtually deserted. You can barely move in city centres and shopping centres over here at that time of year.

houseboy wrote:Is that not because they have no money mate?

No its because they are all over here

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:30 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:They don't have to queue up for a week for a loaf of bread anymore, you know.

Oops, I'm behind the times. That'll be us soon according to the remoaners.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:42 pm

Bosscat wrote:TheFamilyCat wrote:
To give one example, I've been in Gdansk and Poznan the weekend before Christmas and been into the big shopping centres in both cities which were virtually deserted. You can barely move in city centres and shopping centres over here at that time of year.

No its because they are all over here

That was my original reply idea but I thought it would upset the politically correct, anti-racist, internationalist, freedom of movement, non-gender-specific, Europe-is-one, you can't say that it's not appropriate, anti-anti-Polish and Eastern European, let's all jump in the jacuzzi together and rub bits people.

But I thought better of it because I get in enough trouble as it is for speaking (and that's only at home where my wife thinks I only have one fault - breathing). So today Boss the honour for extreme bravery when faced with politically correct warriors goes to you. I know you can handle it so I'll just say it's been a pleasure and I wish you all the best.

Oh my days, you can't say that, it's not approriate.