Jack Cork

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:37 pm

Dreadful yet again, how many mistakes directly leading to chances has he been involved in?! Absolutely woeful.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:39 pm

He's under no pressure.If he's fit he plays...like Mee and Lennon

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:40 pm

Doesn't look interested as does defour

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:41 pm

Outnumbered in midfield and no outlet options.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:41 pm

Shadow of himself from last year.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:42 pm

First player I’d be replacing in January. Finished.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:43 pm

He’s a joke, what the hell has happened to him?

That sentence could be put towards about 11 players in our squad - which is the saddest indictment there is.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:45 pm

Not his best game, that's for sure.

Something has changed throughout the whole team this season.

Not just Jack Cork's fault.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:49 pm

Safron wrote:Doesn't look interested as does defour

I thought Defour looked OK, but where were the runners to take a pass on the ground?

And while on the subject of passing, how many times did we pass behind the receiving player? this is just poor football.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:50 pm

The mistakes that he's making are absolutely diabolical though, like leading to golden chances, it's incredible... You'd prefer Dave Jones in there keeping it safe.

Think we need to chuck the chequebook at someone like Joe Allen.

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:52 pm

Best midfield effort today was from Joe Hart!

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:52 pm

The corner for their second came from Cork mid way in their half and being unable to do anything other than be forced back to the edge of our penalty area. Said it so many times, we could have Kane and Aguerro up front and they would struggle to score as we're don't have a midfield fit for purpose. We are too slow, not physical enough, lack skill to beat a man and in the words of the Sky commentator in the second half, Diame wanted that ball more than Brady.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:53 pm

The corner for their second came from Cork mid way in their half and being unable to do anything other than be forced back to the edge of our penalty area. Said it so many times, we could have Kane and Aguerro up front and they would struggle to score as we're don't have a midfield fit for purpose. We are too slow, not physical enough, lack skill to beat a man and in the words of the Sky commentator in the second half, Diame wanted that ball more than Brady.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:53 pm

2 v 3 in midfield with Defour as a partner - the odds were stacked against him. Start Hendrick in a three and Cork might have a chance to make the kind of contribution that was integral to last season's success.

He's nowhere near last season's level but certainly not the sole reason for the overall poor performances that some seem to think.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:53 pm

Certainly he doesn't look the player he was last season
but as some have said you could say the same about a number of others too.

What's the problem?
Well no one knows but we fast reaching the point where Dyche has to
try and change things and try a few others.
We're one dimensional and just hoofing it up for Vokes or Wood and hoping
for the best.
Having said that Voke's header was phenomenal.

me01jh · Post by **me01jh** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:54 pm

When you have two lumps up top, you cannot pass the ball around midfield - you need to play forwards with a purpose and get around them. In previous seasons we would set back to Heaton or Mee and then play long and join in. We always competed well for the seconds, Cork included.

This team doesn't do that, we turn down the ball forwards and go backwards and sideways and then back into midfield. As a result when the play breaks down, we are too spread, we can't recover fast enough and we are 40 yards deeper than normal. Our players are not good enough to play the kind of football they want to.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:54 pm

Jacks really poor atm. Just hope it's a bad spell, but it's been going on a long time.

bfcwest · Post by **bfcwest** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:55 pm

Cork is just nowhere near good enough at this level anymore. He seems to take the pace out of any forward momentum we ever build up.
Too weak, too slow, dilly dallies on the ball when under pressure until he falls over.
When not under pressure he either passes backwards or gives a stray pass.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:55 pm

Defour was pap....why on earth did he leave the back post for on their 2nd goal. Far to many of our players can seem to do no wrong

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:56 pm

First player I’d replace in January (of a growing list).

Clearly the system relies on the midfield anchor, and he’s useless all of a sudden. No sentiment. Bin.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:57 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:Outnumbered in midfield and no outlet options.

Exactly this.

Our strikers no longer press and the whole team just gets dragged back with the strikers isolated up top.

The players are suffering because of the system at the moment. We still haven't found the right style or personal yet which is worrying.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:59 pm

ewanrob wrote:Defour was pap....why on earth did he leave the back post for on their 2nd goal. Far to many of our players can seem to do no wrong

Excuse me !!
Defour is the Messi of our team
Watch both of the first two goals and he was on the far post at the corners - he then sprinted out of the box chasing nobody
What was that all about

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:29 pm

bfcwest wrote:Cork is just nowhere near good enough at this level anymore.

Christ, a lot has happened in the MONTHS since he was being lauded on here for his consistently good performances and his England call up. No one can throw the baby out with the bathwater like football fans.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:29 pm

Awful and well off the pace. Looked like he had been on holiday all week. I mean what the hell has he been doing in training ?

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:52 pm

One of our biggest problems. We need a bigger more physical presence in there - someone whose primary task is to win the ball. But I’m afraid he’s one of Dyche’s favourites

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:54 pm

Been playing like this all season. Slows the play down and then gives the ball away or brushed off it. Possibly Newcastle's best player along with Brady.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:04 am

Funny how last season Cork and Defour are called magic and now they are not up to it!

I think it is fickle fandom which is not up to it.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:23 am

ewanrob wrote:Defour was pap....why on earth did he leave the back post for on their 2nd goal. Far to many of our players can seem to do no wrong

jojomk1 wrote:Excuse me !!
Defour is the Messi of our team
Watch both of the first two goals and he was on the far post at the corners - he then sprinted out of the box chasing nobody
What was that all about

Why are so many people questioning why Defour got out as soon as the ball was played away from the goalline??
That’s what you should do. If you stay there then you’re basically just inviting trouble. It’s fine to be on the line/post if the ball is level, but if not... that’s just basic

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:05 am

He gets the ball so often, and he has no one to pass to. Thats not his fault.

But he's not as snappy as he was last season, and he looks like he's running through treacle at times.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:16 am

He's a bit like King Canute, trying to turn the tide away.

He's being over run because only having 2 midfielders puts him under pressure all the time. Very few out balls other than backwards so he tries to carry it and runs into 2 or 3 opposition.

There is a disconnect between the lines as well, we have 3 banks of players that rarely interact with each other.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:29 am

JohnMac wrote:He's a bit like King Canute, trying to turn the tide away.

He's being over run because only having 2 midfielders puts him under pressure all the time. Very few out balls other than backwards so he tries to carry it and runs into 2 or 3 opposition.

There is a disconnect between the lines as well, we have 3 banks of players that rarely interact with each other.

Rarely interact with each other is an understatement!

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:30 am

The midfield is a complete shambles along with the 2 full backs who rarely make any forward runs.
Watching Burnley is like going back in time when the full backs never left their own half. No interaction play between our wide midfield players and our full backs.

The buck stops at the top and this is not good enough, if he doesn't change things quick, then he will have to be changed.
No loyalty in football and why should they be? We have a manager who earns 3 million a season and a squad of millionaires

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:33 am

Taylor got forward in the 2nd half just was incapable of crossing it although he wasn’t alone in that.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:39 am

The full backs rarely make runs because it isn't part of the plan and they will break the framework.

They are both more than capable, it's the tactics.

What served us well previously has gone from progression to regression and to add to that Lennon and Brady aren't as good in the system as JBG and Arfield/Boyd were.

Brady is living on a debut free kick.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:51 pm

I think Cork is suffering because, with only the 2 central midfielders, he has no support or outlets whilst searching for a pass. The wide midfielders/wingers find a place and stand there allowing defenders to close them off whilst the opposition midfielders gang up on him.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:40 pm

JohnMac wrote:The full backs rarely make runs because it isn't part of the plan and they will break the framework.

They are both more than capable, it's the tactics.

What served us well previously has gone from progression to regression and to add to that Lennon and Brady aren't as good in the system as JBG and Arfield/Boyd were.

Brady is living on a debut free kick.

To be fair Brady was starting to look a very good player just before his injury this time last year. He was nowhere near the level demanded last night.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:49 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:To be fair Brady was starting to look a very good player just before his injury this time last year. He was nowhere near the level demanded last night.

He was on a run to be fair and over 3 or 4 games started looking like the player we hoped he would be.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:01 pm

played with zero confidence for a long while. So bizarre considering his performances and goals against Aberdeen and Olympiakos. I'm not sure if Dyche is trying to help him play through it or just plain daft by picking him

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:19 pm

Struggling is Jack but he's not the only one. The left side in defence hasn't helped. We are just not physically strong enough anymore and if Brady is afraid to tackle he'll have to be dropped till he gets his confidence back. Oh for a fit younger Dean Marney to add some bite.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:17 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:Why are so many people questioning why Defour got out as soon as the ball was played away from the goalline??
That’s what you should do. If you stay there then you’re basically just inviting trouble. It’s fine to be on the line/post if the ball is level, but if not... that’s just basic

Stay on the line prevent the goal..

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:30 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:Why are so many people questioning why Defour got out as soon as the ball was played away from the goalline??
That’s what you should do. If you stay there then you’re basically just inviting trouble. It’s fine to be on the line/post if the ball is level, but if not... that’s just basic

Maybe he's instructed to get out of the 6yd box rather than play opposition forwards onside.

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:32 pm

Remember Ian Baker-Finch? Rooster one minute - feather duster the next!

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:14 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Maybe he's instructed to get out of the 6yd box rather than play opposition forwards onside.

Exactly

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:15 pm

ewanrob wrote:Stay on the line prevent the goal..

Short sighted view. In this instance, yes. But if you defend like that for every set piece, you will concede many more. It’s about playing percentages

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:35 pm

Corks problem last night was the Newcastle equivalent did a superb job, he was well below par.