12th Man let us down

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:13 pm

When the Turf Rocks the team performs.

all of the folk who moaned and winged and shouted abuse at our own players should be ashamed.

it was the 12th man who let Burnley down tonight more than anything else.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:21 pm

The atmosphere has been **** for 12 months. Then again, so have the results - Might be onto something...

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:22 pm

Bad team selection,bad tactics
,players too slow in possession and Ben Mee let us down tonight

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:25 pm

The turf hasn’t rocked for2-3 yrs at least , the farcical CFS thing hasn’t helped the ground atmosphere at all, it just drained the JH of about 80% if it’s “singers”

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:29 pm

Aye, of course...its the fans fault. Give over.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:30 pm

I watched the game in our local bar in Spain last night with about 10 other exiled Clarets. We all thought that the support we could hear off the TV sounded really good for Burnley, so I don't quite understand these comments about the atmosphere. There was some frustration as the game progressed but that was understandable with the rubbish, we had to watch. You can't blame the atmosphere for the lack of quality on the pitch.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:30 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Bad team selection,bad tactics
,players too slow in possession and Ben Mee let us down tonight

How did Ben Mee let you down??

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:31 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:The turf hasn’t rocked for2-3 yrs at least , the farcical CFS thing hasn’t helped the ground atmosphere at all, it just drained the JH of about 80% if it’s “singers”

Not true. It worked to start. Ive never heard it rock as much as the Middlesbrough late goal.

And its not like there was any atmosphere in the JH or anywhere else before.

Any suggestions for change are shot down. So you cant win. Is a drum the answer? No. But its one of many ideas that are shot down without any real alternative.

The support is **** poor regardless of stand. At least the CFS Helped in someway.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:39 pm

I thought those two spells at the end of the first and the end of the second half, the crowd were really getting behind the team.

Of course it's deflating conceding the two goals we did early on and that has an effect, but we haven't had much to get excited about recently, apart from the Bournemouth game, and last night at least we were playing some attacking football for the fans to get behind.

The fans naturally react to what they see on the pitch....

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm

The millionaire players and manager let the fans down last night, not the other way around.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:53 pm

Oohh **** off

Sick of reading this **** every week. They should be thankful people even turn up. The support at the start of the second half was more than they deserved. They aint willing to even challenge for 50/50 balls.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:58 pm

I think the hapless team being almost comedically down by two goals halfway through the first half really killed the Fans’ ardour for support. That and is looking hopeless for most of the season.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:09 pm

Spike wrote:When the Turf Rocks the team performs.

it was the 12th man who let Burnley down tonight more than anything else.

I've heard some poor football related excuses in my time, but this one sure takes the biscuit tin.

Our fans got behind the team when they started to click just before the 40th minute and continued to do at the beginning of the second half - don't forget we were 2-0 down before Vokes scored. If we play well - our fans always respond accordingly. To clam that our supporters are somehow culpable in the 2-1 defeat, could have easily have been 4-1, is staggeringly crass.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:13 pm

We've been rubbish all season and we were one nil down after four minutes. What atmosphere are you expecting?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:35 pm

The fans are paying money to watch, the team are collecting money to play. It's up to the team to get the fans motivated not the other way round.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:37 pm

3/4 of the ground are silent. Its a joke

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:53 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:3/4 of the ground are silent. Its a joke

Because they weren't getting value for money. They were being short changed. They were not being entertained.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:05 pm

Chobulous wrote:Because they weren't getting value for money. They were being short changed. They were not being entertained.

Same when we wer 7th

corporal jones · Post by **corporal jones** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:09 pm

why do the inhabitants of the CFS think because they chant out their incoherent "songs" they are somehow better fans and more responsible for the team playing well than others? I doubt the players are even aware of it during the game. As for the criticism of the BL for not "singing" and therefore not being proper fans, the majority of supporters in there have been going on matches since the 60s and 70s and have more than earned the right to sing or not sing. It is up to the players to get the fans excited and involved and create atmosphere.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:57 pm

We are 4th bottom,after last night we have won 1 of our last 9 Premier League home games,and the opposition were gifted a goal start in a classic 6 pointer,added to the lethargic build-up play and Sean's reluctance to introduce subs until it's too late(Vydra has been a pointless signing),all this will lead to a flat atmosphere.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:21 am

tiger76 wrote:We are 4th bottom,after last night we have won 1 of our last 9 Premier League home games,and the opposition were gifted a goal start in a classic 6 pointer,added to the lethargic build-up play and Sean's reluctance to introduce subs until it's too late(Vydra has been a pointless signing),all this will lead to a flat atmosphere.

Cardiff fulham and Huddersfield fans now above us appear to support there team from what ive seen despite getting beat more often than not.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:48 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:. At least the CFS Helped in someway.

Yes. By reducing the away attendance but not by anything else.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:49 am

tybfc wrote:Yes. By reducing the away attendance but not by anything else.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:04 am

Also important to ignore that not all can attend on a Monday night plus the delayed kick off.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:20 am

corporal jones wrote:why do the inhabitants of the CFS think because they chant out their incoherent "songs" they are somehow better fans and more responsible for the team playing well than others? I doubt the players are even aware of it during the game. As for the criticism of the BL for not "singing" and therefore not being proper fans, the majority of supporters in there have been going on matches since the 60s and 70s and have more than earned the right to sing or not sing. It is up to the players to get the fans excited and involved and create atmosphere.

It would help if those in the CF knew more songs that "We are the Longside Burnley". What a dirge. It isn't even the Longside.

"We are a small part of the short end - Burnley" That has a ring to it.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:24 am

Spike wrote:When the Turf Rocks the team performs.

all of the folk who moaned and winged and shouted abuse at our own players should be ashamed.

it was the 12th man who let Burnley down tonight more than anything else.

Is this really meant to be taken seriously. Seriously?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:49 am

It's extremely hard to get behind us when our only tactic is launching diagonal balls in the general direction of 2 big front men. When was the last time one of our players produced something that was really out of the ordinary and got you out of your seat? Defours goals against Hull and Bristol City in his first season is all I can think of. We've even managed to convert him into another steady Eddie holding midfielder.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:59 am

Sing when we winning springs to mind for a lot of our "fans"

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:01 am

I really do believe that it's the team's duty to raise the crowd's spirits.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:15 am

bob lord fans are mainly silent, apart from the regular moaners etc. Seen it on many an occasion.

I kno which stand i'd much rather be in

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:15 am

When your success depends on very hard work, some skill, luck going your way, team spirit, where everyone covers everyone else, then the crowd is the essential ingredient to 'fire up the players, to get that rolling.

The crowd has turned. It is mostly quiet and contains many moaners. It will get us relegated.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:44 pm

There is absolutely no plan by the club to improve the atmosphere at Turf Moor. The music before the game is appalling. We are fast becoming a rip-off club only interested in making money from the fans. The food and drink prices are laughable. The club charges £200 for a disabled car parking space. Etc. Etc.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:47 pm

I don't think it's fair to blame the fans. It's hard to create an atmosphere when the football is that poor. Fans go to football to be entertained.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:03 pm

IanMcL wrote:When your success depends on very hard work, some skill, luck going your way, team spirit, where everyone covers everyone else, then the crowd is the essential ingredient to 'fire up the players, to get that rolling.

The crowd has turned. It is mostly quiet and contains many moaners. It will get us relegated.

If we get relegated it will be because of what happens on the field of play not what happens on the terraces and it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:00 pm

No wonder we're doing crap - I didn't realise you were allowed to play 12 men. Dyche out!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:19 pm

Chobulous wrote:It would help if those in the CF knew more songs that "We are the Longside Burnley". What a dirge. It isn't even the Longside.

"We are a small part of the short end - Burnley" That has a ring to it.

With current events surrounding mee.....a rendition of rag n bone mans don't put the blame on mee ...he's only human after all would sound good.easy to follow to!

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:01 pm

Spike wrote:When the Turf Rocks the team performs.

all of the folk who moaned and winged and shouted abuse at our own players should be ashamed.

it was the 12th man who let Burnley down tonight more than anything else.

Spot on! Like a morgue first half. Vokes very decent header / goal raised a luke warm cheer. Pretty pathetic really. Get this we finished 7th out of your heads and get behind the team!

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:03 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Bad team selection,bad tactics
,players too slow in possession and Ben Mee let us down tonight

He scored an og. Any defender can. He worked hard tried to redeem himself. Completely disagree.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:26 pm

IanMcL wrote:When your success depends on very hard work, some skill, luck going your way, team spirit, where everyone covers everyone else, then the crowd is the essential ingredient to 'fire up the players, to get that rolling.

The crowd has turned. It is mostly quiet and contains many moaners. It will get us relegated.

Hahaha what a load of guff. If we're relegated it's our fault?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:33 pm

The fans react to what they see on the pitch. If we came out and played some positive, attacking football I guarantee the crowd would respond. Look at the way Spurs tore into Chelsea from the word go on Saturday. I realise Spurs are a much better team than us but there's no reason we can't come out and be positive and on the front foot.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:37 pm

The football is diabolical, I'm surprised most of you don't fall asleep

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:40 pm

Last time the Turf was rocking was against Spurs in rhe semi final.

Thrre have been a couple of moments since but we have never really got behind the team for 90 minutes.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:40 pm

IanMcL wrote:When your success depends on very hard work, some skill, luck going your way, team spirit, where everyone covers everyone else, then the crowd is the essential ingredient to 'fire up the players, to get that rolling.

The crowd has turned. It is mostly quiet and contains many moaners. It will get us relegated.

Of course we are the only team whose success depends on hard work and team spirit.
right now it looks like most every other team is working harder, and earning more luck, than we are.
We are not little old Burnley, our players are millionaires, they are paid a fortune to inspire and entertain us, something they are not doing enough of.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:57 pm

Lots of criticism since Monday night featuring the players wages. Then in the same breath criticism that we need better players who we can pay more too.

On a positive note, minimal comments right now about building a 50,000 seater stadium.

Wages is an interesting area of complaint though. It's all relative. We are paying the rate or even below the rate of players who are playing in the premier league. If your particular talent is working in a car wash, you get paid the going rate for working in a car wash. On the other hand it's rare for people to pay to turn up at the car wash to shout and boo you whilst you work.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:24 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Lots of criticism since Monday night featuring the players wages. Then in the same breath criticism that we need better players who we can pay more too.

On a positive note, minimal comments right now about building a 50,000 seater stadium.

Wages is an interesting area of complaint though. It's all relative. We are paying the rate or even below the rate of players who are playing in the premier league. If your particular talent is working in a car wash, you get paid the going rate for working in a car wash. On the other hand it's rare for people to pay to turn up at the car wash to shout and boo you whilst you work.

I like this.

but I doubt very much that a carwasher would rely on cheers and support in order to wash your car properly, or even imply that the lack of it was affecting his performance (not that our players have implied that).

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:17 pm

It's interesting that a certain number of "supporters" on here have recently bitched about the performance of almost every single player, their lack of commitment, the type of car that certain players drive, their wages, their answering back to insulting comments during/after the Newcastle match, our manager's lack of nous, his lack of commitment, a lousy transfer window and so on .............all contentious.
The lack of atmosphere and support in the home stands at the Turf is, however, undeniably embarrassing.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:49 am

boatshed bill wrote:Of course we are the only team whose success depends on hard work and team spirit.
right now it looks like most every other team is working harder, and earning more luck, than we are.
We are not little old Burnley, our players are millionaires, they are paid a fortune to inspire and entertain us, something they are not doing enough of.

We are still miniscule, budgetwise, in the prem. We would now, initially, be big in the Championship, until the para payments go.

Difficult to entertain when world stars have the ball.
On Monday, we had more ball and did ok.