Pope to Spurs

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:51 pm

Linked again online.

For the right price would have to consider it surely. We could get around 40m for both heaton and pope. That would bolster our midfield without even touching this years money. With no europe, lindegaard should be fine backup.

https://amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/11/27/s ... tom-heato/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:55 pm

It will be a "Jimmy Mac" type of moment in my eyes if they sell him.

Won't be a happy bunny if it happens.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:58 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:It will be a "Jimmy Mac" type of moment in my eyes if they sell him.

Won't be a happy bunny if it happens.

Our greatest ever player. And a keeper that played one season for us

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:04 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Linked again online.

For the right price would have to consider it surely. We could get around 40m for both heaton and pope. That would bolster our midfield without even touching this years money. With no europe, lindegaard should be fine backup.

https://amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/11/27/s ... tom-heato/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can see Heaton going in January,Pope will have to prove he's fully recovered from his injury,before any clubs are prepared to risk big bucks.

However if one of the keepers moves on don't expect a large outlay on midfield reinforcements,although we desperately need a physical presence in that area.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:08 am

"Type of moment" I said, which by no means implies the level of service to the
club is in any way comparable. Just one sale that I feel would not be welcome.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:14 am

The site is trolling, clearly.

That or they know more than anyone else about his current recovery progress from injury...

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:15 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Linked again online.

For the right price would have to consider it surely. We could get around 40m for both heaton and pope. That would bolster our midfield without even touching this years money. With no europe, lindegaard should be fine backup.

https://amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/11/27/s ... tom-heato/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let's just get shut of Hart and go back to the start of last season.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:18 am

It doesn't even say he is going to go, it says they want an English goalkeeper and Heaton's likely departure on loan will mean that Pope won't go anywhere.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:34 am

tybfc wrote:Let's just get shut of Hart and go back to the start of last season.

Gteat shout. Lets get Rodriguez, Ings and Glen Little back.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:08 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Gteat shout. Lets get Rodriguez, Ings and Glen Little back.

Ings is injured.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:20 am

Three Top-notch goalkeepers this month, but one at least will be going on loan or permanently in January and a second come the summer; when fit/at their best, they're all simply too good to want to sit on the bench at Turf Moor, perhaps playing second fiddle to a top-six side on £100k/week would ease the pain, but not on Burnley wages.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:38 am

My crystal ball says...

Heaton gone in January on loan until the end of the season.
Hart maintains his place until Pope returns to full fitness.
Pope replaces Hart.
Pope shows again, keeping Burnley up in the process, what a great keeper he is.
Pope is sold for 30 mill after the season ends.
Heaton returns from loan.
Hart leaves in the summer.
Heaton is our No.1 again.
We sign MArk Kendall as No.2.

Season 2019/2020 begins in the Premier League...just!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:42 am

They not after Hart?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:34 am

NL Claret wrote:Ings is injured.

Rubbish! has the lad ever missed a game before? I thought he was the Cal Ripken Jr of the Premier league!

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 am

HITC a place for those desperate writers who are unable to get a slot at ESPN.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:37 am

NL Claret wrote:Ings is injured.

Theres a surprise

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:48 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:My crystal ball says...

Heaton gone in January on loan until the end of the season.
Hart maintains his place until Pope returns to full fitness.
Pope replaces Hart.
Pope shows again, keeping Burnley up in the process, what a great keeper he is.
Pope is sold for 30 mill after the season ends.
Heaton returns from loan.
Hart leaves in the summer.
Heaton is our No.1 again.
We sign MArk Kendall as No.2.

Season 2019/2020 begins in the Premier League...just!

That's some crystal ball you've got. Mark Kendall has been dead for a decade.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:48 am

No way would I want both Heaton to go out on loan and sell Pope in January. That's just asking for trouble.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:07 am

Sausage wrote:That's some crystal ball you've got. Mark Kendall has been dead for a decade.

Really? Sorry to hear that

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:14 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Theres a surprise

an injured ings is better than woods at the min

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:43 am

I think the original post is a bit misleading. Pope isnt really being linked again with Spurs, they are just pointing out that he has been previously

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:54 am

theroyaldyche wrote:an injured ings is better than woods at the min

Yes but as he's a 59 year old retired ex goalkeeper, that isn't really saying much.

Longsidelenny · Post by **Longsidelenny** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 am

After watching Newcastle game what about hart in centre mid for cork at least hart played the ball forward this can only happen when pope back in the nets at l l t v utc

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:08 am

We are in danger of losing all 3 England keepers before next season.

Pope is the best.
In reality, Heaton is the only one who would stay long term at Burnley.

Cock up!

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:19 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:an injured ings is better than woods at the min

He is not called 'woods' and never has been !

Cornwallclaret · Post by **Cornwallclaret** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:05 pm

Pope back in goal as soon as he's fit and ready...he's not a one season wonder,he's the difference from this season to last,his command of the penalty area is what we're missing this season...in my opinion of course

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:09 am

Cornwallclaret wrote:Pope back in goal as soon as he's fit and ready...he's not a one season wonder,he's the difference from this season to last,his command of the penalty area is what we're missing this season...in my opinion of course

Been saying the same thing and Tom Heaton isn't going to fix that problem either, him and Joe Hart are fairly similar.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:10 pm

Pope wouldn’t have made the slightest bit of difference this season , Hart has played very well and while he doesn’t command the area quite as much as Pope his distribution and kicking is a lot better . I’d like Pope or Heaton back but our issues haven’t been keeper related

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:28 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Pope wouldn’t have made the slightest bit of difference this season , Hart has played very well and while he doesn’t command the area quite as much as Pope his distribution and kicking is a lot better . I’d like Pope or Heaton back but our issues haven’t been keeper related

I was once a plaudit of Hart, but the more I have watched him this season, the more I can see why our defence has been so poor. Our back line used to stand off around the 30yds from goal, where as now they are on the 18 yrd line, and I think this is because they are very conscious of Hart not coming off his line and also never catching a ball and electing to punch, or palm away, which inevitably means the ball could land anywhere, so they need to be in distance to react to that, and what is also evident is the amount of players who rush back to defend the goal line behind hart fully expecting the ball to go past him, so where Dyche has confidence in Hart, I dont think the rest of the team share that belief, and means there is a lot more space for the opposition to attack and their midfield carve us open time after time. Purely my own opinion with nothing to back up any of it part from observation.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:37 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I was once a plaudit of Hart, but the more I have watched him this season, the more I can see why our defence has been so poor. Our back line used to stand off around the 30yds from goal, where as now they are on the 18 yrd line, and I think this is because they are very conscious of Hart not coming off his line and also never catching a ball and electing to punch, or palm away, which inevitably means the ball could land anywhere, so they need to be in distance to react to that, and what is also evident is the amount of players who rush back to defend the goal line behind hart fully expecting the ball to go past him, so where Dyche has confidence in Hart, I dont think the rest of the team share that belief, and means there is a lot more space for the opposition to attack and their midfield carve us open time after time. Purely my own opinion with nothing to back up any of it part from observation.

Its a nice suggestion. But its completely untrue.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:39 pm

To blame Hart on our poor form and present predicament is crazy. The only person to blame is the management for poor tactics and lack of transfer activity in key areas.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:44 pm

I'm not saying it is totally Harts fault, the set up is full of problems including Midfield and lack of goals, but our strength was our defence for the last 3 seasons and now its our weakness with the main change being the keeper, and that's why have turned my attention to off the ball defence movement when I'm watching. Its all about opinions and this is mine.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:54 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I'm not saying it is totally Harts fault, the set up is full of problems including Midfield and lack of goals, but our strength was our defence for the last 3 seasons and now its our weakness with the main change being the keeper, and that's why have turned my attention to off the ball defence movement when I'm watching. Its all about opinions and this is mine.

The main change for me is Ward. He was Mr Consistent.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:59 pm

consistently poor this season though.

yes, i know he's been injured, but he's 33 now and not the future.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:59 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I'm not saying it is totally Harts fault, the set up is full of problems including Midfield and lack of goals, but our strength was our defence for the last 3 seasons and now its our weakness with the main change being the keeper, and that's why have turned my attention to off the ball defence movement when I'm watching. Its all about opinions and this is mine.

Could not agree more.

I too have been watching where the defenders are. They are headless and Tarks is the one who epitomises this. He is trying to cover every angle and deal with all eventualities in a Captain Fantastic way. He and others are being pulled away from the basics.

If one simply watches the ball it is easy to come to the conclusion that Hart is a great keeper, and a good one he surely is, but if the defence were not so jittery he would not have to. The confidence Heaton/Pope have with their defence and vice versa is the main reason we conceded so few goals last season.

Why that confidence has gone is anyone's guess but the only change of personnel is the keeper

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:00 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I'm not saying it is totally Harts fault, the set up is full of problems including Midfield and lack of goals, but our strength was our defence for the last 3 seasons and now its our weakness with the main change being the keeper, and that's why have turned my attention to off the ball defence movement when I'm watching. Its all about opinions and this is mine.

I personally think what you say makes a lot of sense regardless of what other people might say on here.

It is certainly a possibility and its something that I have mulled over a few times recently.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:05 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:consistently poor this season though.

yes, i know he's been injured, but he's 33 now and not the future.

Absolutely, I dont dispute that. I said it myself at the start of the season.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:10 pm

Hart has played well - of that there is no doubt.
But to say Nick Pope would not have made any difference to our results IMHO is wrong. Pope was arguably one of the best 3 keepers in the league last year - possibly in Europe. Pope`s statistics and our goals conceded record are both evidence of that....as our my own eyes which saw him command his area better than anyone in the league (possible exception was Courtois who was the only other keeper who comes for the ball and catches it as many times as Pope does). Being able to command your area and catch the ball is massive for any team - but especially for Burnley. If you are not coming for the ball or punching it then without seeing the statistics my guess would be that this means the ball ends up back with the opposition on more occasions than not and it means they have the ball either in or near our penalty area.....surely that has got to lead to more chances / goals ?

As for Hart`s distribution being better than Pope`s - is it ?....if it is it can only be a marginal difference. I can't think of a goal or great chance that either keeper has made from their distribution. Both keepers clear the lines well under pressure - neither has cost us a goal by a dodgy kick and you cannot say that about a lot of keepers in the league (Pickford, Lloris, Schmeichal, etc have all cost their team goals in last 18 months).

All that said its not just the fact that Hart being in the nets instead of Pope is causing our current issues. Its a number of factors. Cork`s form as per the recent statistics is a big factor, our full back form and in particular missing Ward and also the form of Ben Mee and Tarks being injured. Put that all together and no Nick Pope and bits of bad luck on top (or not as much luck as last year ?) and that's why we are conceding more goals.....oh and don't forget some of the teams we are playing against are even better than last year.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:16 pm

People mention Popes catching. And rightly so. But really, how many clubs pump balls into the box or play traditional wingers? Most teams now try to ply through the middle and on the deck and very few have 1 or even 2 strikers attacking crosses. Kane is probably the only one from the top 6 maybe Lukaku. Then perhaps Murray and maybe Mitrovic down the bottom.

Harts distribution is better than half of our outfield players never mind Pope!!!

Dougall · Post by **Dougall** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:45 pm

At least Nick Pope has added another £10 million to his price following his performance on Question of Sport this week !!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:46 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People mention Popes catching. And rightly so. But really, how many clubs pump balls into the box or play traditional wingers? Most teams now try to ply through the middle and on the deck and very few have 1 or even 2 strikers attacking crosses. Kane is probably the only one from the top 6 maybe Lukaku. Then perhaps Murray and maybe Mitrovic down the bottom.

Harts distribution is better than half of our outfield players never mind Pope!!!

you mean like Newcastle`s second goal or Huddersfield`s equaliser ?....or what about the amount of crosses the chelsea full backs put into the box for Morata or Giroud ? Wolves are another team where the full backs put the ball in a lot looking for Jimenez. Spurs do this of course with Tripps. United do with Young....West Ham with Cresswell...etc etc. Most teams in the league have great crossers of the ball - not necessarily wingers.

The other thing is that if you are winning a game....or drawing and the other team is looking for an equaliser or winner then lots of them go more direct. Pope was brilliant in the last few minutes of many of our games last year when we were coming under massive pressure. Struggling to think of one time this season Hart has come outside of his 6 yard box to collect a ball and caught it.

Re Hart`s distribution - I just do not see it as being much different to Pope or Heaton....and Pep does not agree with you either ! For Burnley its not really a big issue as we like our keeper to kick it a long way and very high and Nick Pope can easily kick it the full length of the pitch !!

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:25 pm

Dyche has to look at every position at the moment and for sure he needs to think about the keepers situation. I prefer Pope, his height was a plus for us last season especially when we were under pressure. Tom on the other hand organises the defence much better and a change is definitely required. I also think it will give the team a boost to have him out there. Just to add I would not want to lose either Tom or Nick, Hart could go for me.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:38 pm

TVC15 wrote:you mean like Newcastle`s second goal or Huddersfield`s equaliser ?....or what about the amount of crosses the chelsea full backs put into the box for Morata or Giroud ? Wolves are another team where the full backs put the ball in a lot looking for Jimenez. Spurs do this of course with Tripps. United do with Young....West Ham with Cresswell...etc etc. Most teams in the league have great crossers of the ball - not necessarily wingers.

The other thing is that if you are winning a game....or drawing and the other team is looking for an equaliser or winner then lots of them go more direct. Pope was brilliant in the last few minutes of many of our games last year when we were coming under massive pressure. Struggling to think of one time this season Hart has come outside of his 6 yard box to collect a ball and caught it.

Re Hart`s distribution - I just do not see it as being much different to Pope or Heaton....and Pep does not agree with you either ! For Burnley its not really a big issue as we like our keeper to kick it a long way and very high and Nick Pope can easily kick it the full length of the pitch !!

And against Lyon the other night, Man City scored from two crosses into the box.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:43 pm

Dougall wrote:At least Nick Pope has added another £10 million to his price following his performance on Question of Sport this week !!

He takes over from Mark Labett next week on the Chase.....