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When people give you change

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:16 pm

Like in shops or the pub. You give them a tenner/twenty for a pint and they put the £5/10 note in your hand first and then coins.

Why? All that happens is the coins slide off the bloody note, especially if its a new note.

Doesnt coins first then notes make more sense?
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Re: When people give you change

Post by conyoviejo » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:18 pm

Always check your change there are some real thickos working in shops and pubs who can't reckon up to save their lives..

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:21 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Like in shops or the pub. You give them a tenner/twenty for a pint and they put the £5/10 note in your hand first and then coins.

Why? All that happens is the coins slide off the bloody note, especially if its a new note.

Doesnt coins first then notes make more sense?
The new notes are a liability ... you have to use a wallet or the bloody things have a life of their own...

But I prefer the note to be placed in the hand 1st so it stops the bloody thing floating off into the ether....

Ref conyoviejo and the thicko post....
They must be thick or trying a con as most tills now tell them the correct change to be given.....
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Re: When people give you change

Post by tim_noone » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:22 pm

I always tell them to keep the change.... It save all the hassle.
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Re: When people give you change

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:22 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Always check your change there are some real thickos working in shops and pubs who can't reckon up to save their lives..
I buy a pint and give the barman a tenner. They put the fiver in my hand first, then whatever coins. Should be coins then the fiver on top.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:24 pm

tim_noone wrote:I always tell them to keep the change.... It save all the hassle.
There is that. It stops the coins sliding onto the bar or crushing their hands so the coins stay gliding on the note

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:25 pm

tim_noone wrote:I always tell them to keep the change.... It save all the hassle.
Helps when you are minted like you obviously are tim ;)

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Re: When people give you change

Post by tim_noone » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:26 pm

Bosscat wrote:The new notes are a liability ... you have to use a wallet or the bloody things have a life of their own...

But I prefer the note to be placed in the hand 1st so it stops the bloody thing floating off into the ether....

Ref conyoviejo and the thicko post....
They must be thick or trying a con as most tills now tell them the correct change to be given.....
Pound shop not a problem easy peasy no till required.........now the 99p shop could be a different ball game :lol:

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Re: When people give you change

Post by tim_noone » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:28 pm

Bosscat wrote:Helps when you are minted like you obviously are tim ;)
F....ng Loaded! I'm not flash though. 8-)
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Re: When people give you change

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:29 pm

Over here you give exact change or they look at you like you just crapped on their firstborn
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Re: When people give you change

Post by ontario claret » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:44 pm

When I first read this, I thought you were begging for loose change on the streets.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Gerry Hattrick » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:00 pm

You've dangled a good worm here Frank. The sort of irrelevant nonsense much loved on groups like this, guaranteed to be a long runner with over ten responses in the first half hour:-)

Anyway here's my ha'peth, so to speak.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Surely you hold your hand out 'cupped' when accepting your monetary returns. As the notes, especially the new ones are seldom perfectly flat, they fit into the hollow in your hand making it difficult for them to slide out. When the coins are put on top, because of their weight,they sink into the little nest that's been formed, pressing the note further down which in turn makes it difficult for any of your change to slide off your hand.

Bleedin' obvious innit?

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Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:32 pm

Gerry Hattrick wrote:You've dangled a good worm here Frank. The sort of irrelevant nonsense much loved on groups like this, guaranteed to be a long runner with over ten responses in the first half hour:-)

Anyway here's my ha'peth, so to speak.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Surely you hold your hand out 'cupped' when accepting your monetary returns. As the notes, especially the new ones are seldom perfectly flat, they fit into the hollow in your hand making it difficult for them to slide out. When the coins are put on top, because of their weight,they sink into the little nest that's been formed, pressing the note further down which in turn makes it difficult for any of your change to slide off your hand.

Bleedin' obvious innit?
Nope.

Unless you have a note given to you that isn't as wrinkly and crunkled as a 102 year old person, the coins begin to slide.
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Re: When people give you change

Post by Longsidelenny » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:39 pm

Pay for your pint in pennies then you don’t get any change
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Re: When people give you change

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:54 pm

I only use cash for car park machines. Card all the way for me.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Bosscat » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:05 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Nope.

Unless you have a note given to you that isn't as wrinkly and crunkled as a 102 year old person, the coins begin to slide.
The bloody nasty new notes don't crinkle though Frank they are wiffy waffy slippy slidey greasy awful bloody things.

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Post by duncandisorderly » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:27 pm

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote:I only use cash for car park machines. Card all the way for me.
As convenient as that is for you, you're doing your shops out of a few quid that way. If you can pay cash, please do. It helps small businesses massively, not only for cashflow but we don't get stung an extra 1-3% like we do via card machine providers.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by dsr » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:06 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Always check your change there are some real thickos working in shops and pubs who can't reckon up to save their lives..
I had a minor discussion with the Pound Bakery in Burnley this lunchtime - I spent £3, gave them £10, and they wanted to give me a fiver, a two and a one in change. Even pricing everthing in pounds, they can't always get it right.

(Once in Oddies, a girl had to add 40p plus 7p. She got the calculator out.)

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Hipper » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:02 pm

You have to look at it from the cashier's point of view. These days their machine e tells you what change to give you, say £5.53. They'll then give you £5, 50p, 2p then 1p.

In days past when a cashier might have to calculate the change it would be easier the other way round - £4.47 for your pint, 1p, 2p, 50p give £5, then £5 makes your tenner.

Sorry to be so sensible.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:08 pm

Always done it that way.

Makes it clear what notes are being given and then the change on top is also easier to see.

It's rare anyone makes an issue of how their change is handed over.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Hipper » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:09 pm

dsr wrote:I had a minor discussion with the Pound Bakery in Burnley this lunchtime - I spent £3, gave them £10, and they wanted to give me a fiver, a two and a one in change. Even pricing everthing in pounds, they can't always get it right.

(Once in Oddies, a girl had to add 40p plus 7p. She got the calculator out.)
In the days of the ten bob note I was working in a paper shop. Someone bought a packet of fags for, say 4s 10d, and paid with a 10s note. I gave them their change, 5s 2d, and then the 10s note too as if they'd give me a £1 note. They never said anything and nor did I. It haunts me to this day!

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Rowls » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:17 pm

Frank has this spot on.

Coins slipping off bank notes - happens all the time
Notes getting "blown away" because they aren't weighted down with coins - never ever happened

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Re: When people give you change

Post by conyoviejo » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:41 pm

dsr wrote:I had a minor discussion with the Pound Bakery in Burnley this lunchtime - I spent £3, gave them £10, and they wanted to give me a fiver, a two and a one in change. Even pricing everthing in pounds, they can't always get it right.

(Once in Oddies, a girl had to add 40p plus 7p. She got the calculator out.)
Oddies staff are renowned for giving out the wrong change to their overpriced food.. :D

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Hendrickxz » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:01 pm

tim_noone wrote:I always tell them to keep the change.... It save all the hassle.
You must be the guy who occasionally frequents a pub I go in. He drives a flash motor and if he buys, say, seven quids worth of drinks, he hands over a twenty and tells the bar staff to keep the change. They love him, but methinks his money is perghaps, ahemm, too easily made! :?:

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Re: When people give you change

Post by The Enclosure » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:39 am

Hipper wrote:In the days of the ten bob note I was working in a paper shop. Someone bought a packet of fags for, say 4s 10d, and paid with a 10s note. I gave them their change, 5s 2d, and then the 10s note too as if they'd give me a £1 note. They never said anything and nor did I. It haunts me to this day!
Sorry Hipper I owe you 50 p :D

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Squarepusher » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:29 pm

I believe this problem is what led directly to the development of contactless payment technology.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Hipper » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:33 pm

The Enclosure wrote:Sorry Hipper I owe you 50 p :D
Keep the change!

If I remember rightly, in 1970 a Twix was 3d. 50p is 10s which is 120d - 40 Twixes.

With inflation that 10s/50p would be worth £7.51:

http://www.in2013dollars.com/1970-GBP-i ... amount=0.5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

£7.51/40 = 19p (or 45d).

I don't know what a Twix costs today, but I believe they are smaller too.
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Re: When people give you change

Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:34 pm

Change used to be counted into your hand, so you knew it was correct. Now it arrives as a lump.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by FactualFrank » Sat May 25, 2019 4:31 pm

Sorry.. it still isn't right.

Coins sit neat in your hand. The note then goes on top and you close your hand. Do it the other way and it risks coins sliding off if they give you lots of 5, 10, 20 pences. Doesn't happen the other way, regardless of the note.

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Post by RogerBest » Sat May 25, 2019 4:39 pm

Note first then coins.

When then transferring money from hand to wallet/pocket, coins can be slid into receptacle leaving both hands and all fingers free to tuck note into holder.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by FactualFrank » Sat May 25, 2019 4:57 pm

RogerBest wrote:Note first then coins.

When then transferring money from hand to wallet/pocket, coins can be slid into receptacle leaving both hands and all fingers free to tuck note into holder.
After the transaction of coins then notes to hand, we are then talking a different phase. This is when we as the receiver take over and just slam it in the pocket or wallet - but it's all intact. Note first brings into a reasonable chance of coins sliding off the note and ending up on the counter/floor.

If a note falls it falls at a slower speed, giving us more chance to catch it mid-flight.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Cheshireclaret » Sat May 25, 2019 5:16 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Always check your change there are some real thickos working in shops and pubs who can't reckon up to save their lives..
Just watch what happens if your shopping / round / order comes to, say, £7.20 and you hand them a tenner and then follow up with ‘I’ll give you the 20p too’.

The look of utter panic and confusion is a sight to behold.

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Post by Foulthrow » Sat May 25, 2019 5:36 pm

I used to work in pubs and when it was rammed you’d get chancers claiming they gave you a twenty when it was a ten. Caused a right mess having to take the till off and check the float.

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Post by AlargeClaret » Sat May 25, 2019 5:44 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Always check your change there are some real thickos working in shops and pubs who can't reckon up to save their lives..
Alas the 1950’s are over,the Queen is no longer Empress of all India ,the groat is no longer currency and everyone owns one of those motor car thingys .

Ps tills work out the correct change ( though do be careful in those new fangled “ super” markets

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Post by No Ney Never » Sat May 25, 2019 6:05 pm

That'll be £2.77 please.
Sorry, I've only got a ten pound note.
Ok no problem, so that's 3p is 2.80, 20p makes 3, 2's five pounds and a fiver makes 10. Thanks very much, see you later.
As a matter of course, it's always been coins first as you count the change back to what the customer gave you. Only people lacking a basic education need a till to tell them what change to give.

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Post by bfccrazy » Sat May 25, 2019 6:11 pm

Just easier and cheaper to not pay.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Steve1956 » Sat May 25, 2019 6:38 pm

Bosscat wrote:Helps when you are minted like you obviously are tim ;)
Has he had his teeth done yet? :lol:

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat May 25, 2019 6:49 pm

Foulthrow wrote:I used to work in pubs and when it was rammed you’d get chancers claiming they gave you a twenty when it was a ten. Caused a right mess having to take the till off and check the float.
That helps.

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Post by Stalbansclaret » Sat May 25, 2019 6:52 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I buy a pint and give the barman a tenner. They put the fiver in my hand first, then whatever coins. Should be coins then the fiver on top.
Just move to London...that way you wouldn't have to worry about getting a note back at all.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Pstotto » Sat May 25, 2019 7:21 pm

You supposed to use the note to wrap the coins in.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat May 25, 2019 7:23 pm

...ain't used cash for years!

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Post by Bullabill » Sun May 26, 2019 3:12 am

No Ney Never » .......

"As a matter of course, it's always been coins first as you count the change back to what the customer gave you. Only people lacking a basic education need a till to tell them what change to give."


And that is the salient point. None of this 'slidy money' nonsense - the coins in the change should be counted into the hand first every time.
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Post by No Ney Never » Sun May 26, 2019 4:06 am

Bullabill wrote:No Ney Never » .......

"As a matter of course, it's always been coins first as you count the change back to what the customer gave you. Only people lacking a basic education need a till to tell them what change to give."


And that is the salient point. None of this 'slidy money' nonsense - the coins in the change should be counted into the hand first every time.
Indeed. Coins in the palm and any notes trapped between thumb and forefinger.

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Post by tim_noone » Sun May 26, 2019 9:11 am

Steve1956 wrote:Has he had his teeth done yet? :lol:
No....And There'll Be no change to be Had!!!! :(

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sun May 26, 2019 9:27 am

Makes obvious sense from my end. Someone gives you a ten, your change is seven and change (as told to you by the register) you pull the big bills left to right, count them out and end up with the change on top. What's wrong with that!?

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Steve1956 » Sun May 26, 2019 9:35 am

tim_noone wrote:No....And There'll Be no change to be Had!!!! :(
Still strolling about town looking like this then Tim eh?
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Re: When people give you change

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun May 26, 2019 9:39 am

I Concur with the opening post. Its frivolous and minor but it should be coins first. You can grab the note at the end anyway.

Slide off is real.

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Re: When people give you change

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun May 26, 2019 10:03 am

You know what is annoying?

The “self serve” machines at supermarkets giving out the smaller denominations of change in as many coins as possible.

I always seem to end up with four 5p whenever in Morrison’s instead of a 20p or even two 10p

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Re: When people give you change

Post by IanMcL » Mon May 27, 2019 2:35 am

Surprising how little cash is used nowadays

I consider I had a free meal, yesterday, when I went to a Hungry Horse. The card system was out of action. Cash only! I thought I only had £15 in my wallet, so went back to my partner, to see if she had any cash. While she was sorting her bag, I took out the £5 and £10 and found another ten behind it and then another! These notes out of a machine, just locked tightly together!

Poor woman in front of me, could only muster a tenner deposit and sent her hubby to a machine, in town!

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Re: When people give you change

Post by Down_Rover » Mon May 27, 2019 10:18 am

I blame electronic tills.

Back in the day one crusty old bar person could serve loads of people a minute by adding up the cost in their head and being clever enough to work out the change.

Nowadays one stares for hours at bar staff fiddling around with these machines, even having to wait hours for a till to come free. And they make more mistakes. I once paid in 12 cheques of £100 each. The cashier added them up while I felt the queue behind me get restive

This applies not just to bars but anywhere there is a queue to get served.

It is this constant waiting in queues that gets people angry and then, in anticipation, get wound up as to how their change will get delivered.

These stresses could be avoided by reverse technology

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