Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:14 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:No, but everything about commanding your area which in turn gives confidence to your back four. You do know not all communication is verbal don’t you...? ;)
In what other ways do goalkeepers communicate with their defenders? Nods and winks?

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by JohnMac » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:15 pm

No.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:25 pm

This is like when the plague used to break out in a mediaeval village.
The villagers would say "who's doing this?" and "whose fault is this? Who's to blame?"
Then someone would say "Well, there's that old woman who lives in that cottage on the edge of the village.
She looks like a witch. And she has a wart. And a black cat. It might be her."
"YES!! YES!! She's a witch!! Burn her! Burn her!"

There'd be no reason to it at all. That's rather what's happening now with Hart.

Except he hasn't got a wart.
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by dougcollins » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:33 pm

I believe he has a black cat.

Burn him.
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:44 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Those stats shows absolutely nothing regarding vocal contributions per game though.
I never said they did, they give an indication of how far behind he is in other places though

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:In what other ways do goalkeepers communicate with their defenders? Nods and winks?
Look at the stats and ask yourself which of those keepers communicate confidence to his back four with his actions - the non-verbal communication...?

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I never said they did, they give an indication of how far behind he is in other places though
I was joking about the stats being irrelevant because they didn’t show vocal contributions per game.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Goobs » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:04 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I’m absolutely loving the magnitude of Heaton’s ‘vocal contributions’. Until he got injured I had absolutely no idea how important Tom’s ‘get out’ shouts were but now we’re in a poor run of form it’s all become clear. The weird thing is though, when Heaton was vocalising the **** out of matches we were in an almost identical position to where we are now.
No. We were 1 place higher and playing with much more confidence. That is mainly down to the fact that Tom's 2nd cousin once bought some Amber leaf in Barnaby Fudge.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:06 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Look at the stats and ask yourself which of those keepers communicate confidence to his back four with his actions - the non-verbal communication...?
You’re clutching. You and I have absolutely no idea how much confidence the keeper ‘communicates’ to the back four and the stats do literally nothing to prove either way. I’d be amazed if the defenders didn’t have confidence in Hart due to his almost flawless start to the season.

I also think it’s strange that you think that the defenders’ confidence in the keeper could be the main contributing factor to our drop in form.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by dougcollins » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:33 pm

Unfortunately nobody can make any kind of negatively perceived comment about Hart without being accused of some kind of parochial xenophobia.
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I was joking about the stats being irrelevant because they didn’t show vocal contributions per game.
use one of these then :D :) ;) :lol: !!!

I've no idea if the stats are legit but no reason to think they aren't. The second we can stick Pope back in goal the better
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rick_Muller » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:45 am

Rileybobs wrote:You’re clutching. You and I have absolutely no idea how much confidence the keeper ‘communicates’ to the back four and the stats do literally nothing to prove either way. I’d be amazed if the defenders didn’t have confidence in Hart due to his almost flawless start to the season.

I also think it’s strange that you think that the defenders’ confidence in the keeper could be the main contributing factor to our drop in form.
Not clutching, though if I was it would still be more that Joe Hart... ;)

It’s my observations, what I see when I watch us play. It aligns with those stats.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:02 am

Hsilgadmkris wrote:Doesn't take a genius to realise whatever team has hart in goals concedes a lot.. He may pull of some specalular stops at time, but could his organisation and positioning be suspect..?
No. The rest of the team, from front to back are all performing at a lower standard than last season. It’s obvioualy easier for people to try and simplify the reason for why we have dropped off by trying to pin the blame on one player - it’s then easier to find a solution. But Joe Hart is not the reason why we are where we are. In fact, I’d say he is the one player in the entire squad who had perhaps performed above what we would expect of him.
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:14 am

Vegas Claret wrote:I never said they did, they give an indication of how far behind he is in other places though
And also show he is making the most saves.

Stats can be twisted to show whatever you want.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:32 am

I'm sure the main problem is a general lack of discipline. Why? No idea.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Quicknick » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:57 am

No.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by IndigoLake » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:22 pm

Hart has stopped this scoreline from being downright embarrassing today.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:26 pm

Ridiculous question in the first place. Been brilliant.
The problems are quite clearly further up the field.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Joe14 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:29 pm

Hart could let in 8 and he would still retain his place. Defence is shocking and sadly Hart doesn't organise.

But don't worry Hart fans he will still be behind the sticks when Liverpool go into double figures on Wednesday.

Hart will remain a saint.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by deanothedino » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:00 pm

Different question, same answer:

Is Father Christmas real?

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:55 pm

Joe14 wrote:Hart could let in 8 and he would still retain his place. Defence is shocking and sadly Hart doesn't organise.

But don't worry Hart fans he will still be behind the sticks when Liverpool go into double figures on Wednesday.

Hart will remain a saint.
Would Heaton's inclusion have led to the fans being treated to a shot within the first 65 minutes today?
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by bob-the-scutter » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:32 pm

Is Joe short for Jonah?
Tom back in, Barnes and Vidra up front.
Job done !

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by NL Claret » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:43 pm

Anyone seen / heard the 606 caller about Hart and Robbie Savage's response?

You read the **** about hart been the problem and then to hear it on national radio is just quite frankly embarrassing.

Savage, an ex pro of a number of seasons in the top flight, didn't entertain it.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rick_Muller » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:51 pm

NL Claret wrote:Savage, an ex pro of a number of seasons in the top flight, didn't entertain it.
Let’s be honest about it though if, like Savage, you’re basing your judgement of Joe Hart on the MOTD coverage you’ll also think he’s been superb by keeping us in games with his magnificent saves. You won’t see from the highlights the subtleties that are different between what he does and what our 2 previous keepers did. Those of us who watch the full match, and see those differences can be judgemental about what is difererent, Savage can not.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:55 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Let’s be honest about it though if, like Savage, you’re basing your judgement of Joe Hart on the MOTD coverage you’ll also think he’s been superb by keeping us in games with his magnificent saves. You won’t see from the highlights the subtleties that are different between what he does and what our 2 previous keepers did. Those of us who watch the full match, and see those differences can be judgemental about what is difererent, Savage can not.
If the same caller had praised Hart for keeping us in games I reckon Savage would have countered by saying something about how many goals he's let in. The whole phone-in thing is a nonsense.
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by NL Claret » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:55 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Let’s be honest about it though if, like Savage, you’re basing your judgement of Joe Hart on the MOTD coverage you’ll also think he’s been superb by keeping us in games with his magnificent saves. You won’t see from the highlights the subtleties that are different between what he does and what our 2 previous keepers did. Those of us who watch the full match, and see those differences can be judgemental about what is difererent, Savage can not.
I haven't watched motd since last April, it is most bizarre theory in football that only exists in utc posters heads.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by theroyaldyche » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:18 pm

Joe harts our best player at the min
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rick_Muller » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:33 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:Joe harts our best player at the min
I do agree, but because he bloody well has to be...

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:38 pm

Joe14 wrote:Hart could let in 8 and he would still retain his place. Defence is shocking and sadly Hart doesn't organise.

But don't worry Hart fans he will still be behind the sticks when Liverpool go into double figures on Wednesday.

Hart will remain a saint.
Isn’t organising the defence the managers and captains job ?
Just a thought

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Rick_Muller » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:44 pm

joey13 wrote:Isn’t organising the defence the managers and captains job ?
Just a thought
Who’s the club captain...

Just a thought...

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:49 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Who’s the club captain...

Just a thought...
He isn’t playing, Mee is captain, do keep up

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by theroyaldyche » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:29 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Who’s the club captain...

Just a thought...
I kno who soon wont be

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:33 pm

Palace 29 shots but it’s all Harts fault :shock:
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Aclaret » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:50 pm

Or is Sean Dyche the main problem ?

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by groove » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:57 pm

The main problem is we have chose to have black on both of our away kits. Any time we've had even a touch of black on our away kit we've been relegated. Can't believe the club have done this.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by D8BFC » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:55 pm

Late to this but the answer to the OP is No.

The problem is that we have f all in midfield. They offer nothing defensively, nothing attackingwise and nothing creative.

Lowton and Gudmundsson are our only chance of creating anything at all.

I’m 41, overweight and haven’t played for 10 years, but I reckon I could play midfield for any of our opponents with the way we are currently playing and look like Pirlo.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:25 pm

groove wrote:The main problem is we have chose to have black on both of our away kits. Any time we've had even a touch of black on our away kit we've been relegated. Can't believe the club have done this.
You mean like when we got promoted with this kit?

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by NL Claret » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:27 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You mean like when we got promoted with this kit?

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Our best result with that kit was at home to Southend.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:28 pm

NL Claret wrote:Our best result with that kit was at home to Southend.
Thats true.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You mean like when we got promoted with this kit?

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I’ve still got that one :D

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by NL Claret » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:36 pm

joey13 wrote:I’ve still got that one :D
Oh to go back to sh1t kits, the division 2 days and no social media :lol:
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:45 pm

joey13 wrote:I’ve still got that one :D
Our junior team played our first season in that kit. We had some very good players even at that age. Im sure ot was cursed as even our under 10s team only won 2 games in that kit. Got rid of it and the rest was history :D
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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by joey13 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:51 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Our junior team played our first season in that kit. We had some very good players even at that age. Im sure ot was cursed as even our under 10s team only won 2 games in that kit. Got rid of it and the rest was history :D
I can fit into mine once again after losing 3 stone , thinking of wearing it for my next away day to bring us luck :D

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:19 pm

joey13 wrote:I can fit into mine once again after losing 3 stone , thinking of wearing it for my next away day to bring us luck :D
I think I might have to lose more than 3 stone... probably 3 foot as well! :D

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by groove » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:22 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You mean like when we got promoted with this kit?

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We were relegated in this kit. 94/95. The same year Blackburn won the Premiership.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:13 pm

groove wrote:We were relegated in this kit. 94/95. The same year Blackburn won the Premiership.
But you said... Any time we've had even a touch of black on our away kit we've been relegated. Which isnt the case. As we got promoted with this one.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:15 pm

Ah the days when a kit lasted more than a season.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by WestMidsClaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:17 pm

The defenders should know what to do by now. That isn't Hart's fault. If certain players are giving their all because their mate isn't playing then they need letting go. Nobody except the players and staff know what's going on but there Needs to be some serious arse kicking going on.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by groove » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:00 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:But you said... Any time we've had even a touch of black on our away kit we've been relegated. Which isnt the case. As we got promoted with this one.
Okay. But we also got relegated and didn't win a game whilst wearing it. I maintain that black is an unlucky colour for us.

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Re: Could Joe Hart be the main problem?

Post by Mala591 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:10 pm

There is only one way to solve this ongoing 'debate'

Play Heaton for a few games and see what happens

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