A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Nothing to lose on Wednesday so let's
have a few changes and a bit of PASSION
----------Heaton
Bardsley Long Tarks Taylor
JBG Westwood Cork McNeil
--------Vokes Vydra
have a few changes and a bit of PASSION
----------Heaton
Bardsley Long Tarks Taylor
JBG Westwood Cork McNeil
--------Vokes Vydra
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Has to be 11 changes.
----------Heaton
Bardsley Dyche Tarks Taylor
Stone Westwood Woan McNeil
--------Vokes Vydra
----------Heaton
Bardsley Dyche Tarks Taylor
Stone Westwood Woan McNeil
--------Vokes Vydra
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
-------------Heaton
------Tarky Gibson Mee
Lowton---------------------Taylor
--------Westwood Cork
---Lennon---------------JBG
------------Barnes
------Tarky Gibson Mee
Lowton---------------------Taylor
--------Westwood Cork
---Lennon---------------JBG
------------Barnes
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Bordeauxclaret wrote:Has to be 11 changes.
----------Heaton
Bardsley Dyche Tarks Taylor
Stone Westwood Woan McNeil
--------Vokes Vydra
Ffs you have a sence of humour
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Heaton
Lowton Long Tarks Taylor
JBG Defour Westwood Hendrick Barnes
Vokes
Lowton Long Tarks Taylor
JBG Defour Westwood Hendrick Barnes
Vokes
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Is it really going to matter?
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
A what?Top Claret wrote:Ffs you have a sence of humour
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Heaton
Lowton Tarkowski Gibson Taylor
Lennon Westwood Cork JBG
Defour
Vokes
Lowton Tarkowski Gibson Taylor
Lennon Westwood Cork JBG
Defour
Vokes
Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Hart (player of the season so far)
Bardsley Tarky Long AN Other (Ward injured and Taylor miles off PL standard yet weird criticism of Hart diverts from his inabilities)
Lennon , struggling for a cente midfield JBG
Vokes or Barnes
Bardsley Tarky Long AN Other (Ward injured and Taylor miles off PL standard yet weird criticism of Hart diverts from his inabilities)
Lennon , struggling for a cente midfield JBG
Vokes or Barnes
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Taylor does not have a clue how to defend. Absolutely the main reason for all the goals conceded. Everyone else is affected by it. Mee can’t trust him for a start.NL Claret wrote:Hart (player of the season so far)
Bardsley Tarky Long AN Other (Ward injured and Taylor miles off PL standard yet weird criticism of Hart diverts from his inabilities)
Lennon , struggling for a cente midfield JBG
Vokes or Barnes
Reminds me of a puppy chasing a balloon
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Yet Taylor has probably been one of the better performers over last 2 or 3 games.NL Claret wrote:Hart (player of the season so far)
Bardsley Tarky Long AN Other (Ward injured and Taylor miles off PL standard yet weird criticism of Hart diverts from his inabilities)
Lennon , struggling for a cente midfield JBG
Vokes or Barnes
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
A Blue Peter badge for anyone who can guess the next line up.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
3-5-2
Hart
Tarkowski Gibson Mee
Gudmundsson Brady
Westwood Defour Hendrick
Vydra
Vokes
Subs: Heaton, Bardsley, Cork, Lennon, McNeil, Wood, Barnes
Not sure it’s a good plan but it’s different and it might give us something different!
Hart
Tarkowski Gibson Mee
Gudmundsson Brady
Westwood Defour Hendrick
Vydra
Vokes
Subs: Heaton, Bardsley, Cork, Lennon, McNeil, Wood, Barnes
Not sure it’s a good plan but it’s different and it might give us something different!
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
I wouldn't advocate wholesale changes - these players generally deserve the chance to redeem themselves, and us - but I'd not be averse to trying something a little different, perhaps like using Tarkowski in the holding role, behind Hendrick and Defour.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
You're more likely to see Lord Lucan on the team sheet than see Vydra's name. (More's the pity!)
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
That sounds like an “ablueclaret” approach...claretspice wrote:I wouldn't advocate wholesale changes - these players generally deserve the chance to redeem themselves, and us - but I'd not be averse to trying something a little different, perhaps like using Tarkowski in the holding role, behind Hendrick and Defour.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
I admit, it does a bit, and its not something I ever thought I'd advocate - except I'm advocating it after he's played the role a few times for us (admittedly, more than a year ago), so we know he can do it. The reason it's attractive is that at present we are giving far too much space away in front of the back four. I'm not sure why Cork isn't patrolling that space as effectively as once he did, but he isn't, and Westwood and Defour is too similar a partnership. We could put Hendrick in that role - he did it for Derby, but with Tarkowski, Defour and Hendrick as a three, you'd like to think we can make ourselves more solid.Rick_Muller wrote:That sounds like an “ablueclaret” approach...
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
When has he done it apart from a few minutes at the end of a game?
Has he played that position before?
Genuinely as last season seems a decade ago I can’t remember.
Has he played that position before?
Genuinely as last season seems a decade ago I can’t remember.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Think we might need...
Stevenson
Angus Adamson Miller Newton
Dobson O'Neil
Coates McIlroy James
Irvine
Stevenson
Angus Adamson Miller Newton
Dobson O'Neil
Coates McIlroy James
Irvine
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Heaton
Long, Tarks, Gibson
JBG, Hendrick, Defour, McNeil, Brady
Vydra, Wood
Long, Tarks, Gibson
JBG, Hendrick, Defour, McNeil, Brady
Vydra, Wood
Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
There’s not a hope in hell that Sean will shake things up for the scousers game. Unfortunately. He will more than likely play the same starting 11 from today’s game. Salah + his mates will have the freedom of Turf Moor on Wednesday night.....
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Unfortunately I can only see a 0-5/6 annihilation against the bin dippers, whichever 11 we put out.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
claretspice wrote:I admit, it does a bit, and its not something I ever thought I'd advocate - except I'm advocating it after he's played the role a few times for us (admittedly, more than a year ago), so we know he can do it. The reason it's attractive is that at present we are giving far too much space away in front of the back four. I'm not sure why Cork isn't patrolling that space as effectively as once he did, but he isn't, and Westwood and Defour is too similar a partnership. We could put Hendrick in that role - he did it for Derby, but with Tarkowski, Defour and Hendrick as a three, you'd like to think we can make ourselves more solid.
We'd end up with a back five, one less in midfield and still nowt going forward.
Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
You missed out the "a" ...... as a lot of the humour on here would need a f*****g Seance to find it....Top Claret wrote:Ffs you have a sence of humour
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Time to give Vydra. McNeil, Gibson a run. Otherwise why did we buy them
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Isn’t Woan a left winger, I bet he’d do a better job than Brady on current formBordeauxclaret wrote:Has to be 11 changes.
----------Heaton
Bardsley Dyche Tarks Taylor
Stone Westwood Woan McNeil
--------Vokes Vydra
Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Can't imagine there being too many changes.
Does he bring back Tarks and/or Gibson and in what roles?
Possibly Tarks as claretspice has suggested ?
Vydra just doesn't look like an option. He wasn't even on the bench.
Hart
Lowton, Tarks, Long (whose played better than Mee last few games), Taylor
JBG, Westwood, Defour, Hendrick, Lennon
Wood or Vokes
We're not creating chances and not looking like being able to
keep the opposition from scoring.
Does he bring back Tarks and/or Gibson and in what roles?
Possibly Tarks as claretspice has suggested ?
Vydra just doesn't look like an option. He wasn't even on the bench.
Hart
Lowton, Tarks, Long (whose played better than Mee last few games), Taylor
JBG, Westwood, Defour, Hendrick, Lennon
Wood or Vokes
We're not creating chances and not looking like being able to
keep the opposition from scoring.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Heaton Hart
Bardsley Lowton Long Tarks Gibson Mee Taylor
Westwood
Wood
Reckon we might be able to keep the score down to below half a dozen with this line-up, and possibly still create more chances than we did today!
Bardsley Lowton Long Tarks Gibson Mee Taylor
Westwood
Wood
Reckon we might be able to keep the score down to below half a dozen with this line-up, and possibly still create more chances than we did today!
Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Heaton and Hart
Bardsley Lowton Gibson Long Mee Tarks Taylor Ward
Vydra
Bardsley Lowton Gibson Long Mee Tarks Taylor Ward
Vydra
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
On Mondays performance I think we all would.Giftonsnoidea wrote:Isn’t Woan a left winger, I bet he’d do a better job than Brady on current form
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Hart
Tarkowski Long Gibson
Bardsley Taylor
Gudmundson Defour Hendrick
Vydra
Vokes
Strong at the back
Wing backs give us some width.
More solid and energetic in midfield
Less long ball, Vydra linking midfield and feeding off Vokes.
Won't happen.!
Tarkowski Long Gibson
Bardsley Taylor
Gudmundson Defour Hendrick
Vydra
Vokes
Strong at the back
Wing backs give us some width.
More solid and energetic in midfield
Less long ball, Vydra linking midfield and feeding off Vokes.
Won't happen.!
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
I would love to see this and see how it went, sadly I don't think we ever will.BurnleyPaul wrote:3-5-2
Hart
Tarkowski Gibson Mee
Gudmundsson Brady
Westwood Defour Hendrick
Vydra
Vokes
Subs: Heaton, Bardsley, Cork, Lennon, McNeil, Wood, Barnes
Not sure it’s a good plan but it’s different and it might give us something different!
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Heaton
Lowton Tarkowski Gibson Mee
Gudmundsson Defour Hendrick Lennon
Vokes Vydra
We have to take risks. Shutting up shop won’t work because the shop has a broken door and no roof.
Heaton may reorganise the defence a bit, no offence to Hart. It is worth a try. Two huge problems have been Mee at centre back and Taylor at left back, moving Mee to left back could help with that.
I watched MOTD and was amazed how all the danger and both goals came from wingers cutting in, mainly from our left. There was a stat last week about Taylor never being dribbled past. That is because he is always on his marks pointing at the corner flag, ready to dash down after the attacker if he goes that way. When the attacker cuts inside, Taylor is slow to turn every single time and it results in a free shot or cross.
This manager won’t do this of course. Like many posters on here he is risk averse to a fault. Sometimes though the status quo can be more risky than the change, that applies to both the manager and the team selection.
Lowton Tarkowski Gibson Mee
Gudmundsson Defour Hendrick Lennon
Vokes Vydra
We have to take risks. Shutting up shop won’t work because the shop has a broken door and no roof.
Heaton may reorganise the defence a bit, no offence to Hart. It is worth a try. Two huge problems have been Mee at centre back and Taylor at left back, moving Mee to left back could help with that.
I watched MOTD and was amazed how all the danger and both goals came from wingers cutting in, mainly from our left. There was a stat last week about Taylor never being dribbled past. That is because he is always on his marks pointing at the corner flag, ready to dash down after the attacker if he goes that way. When the attacker cuts inside, Taylor is slow to turn every single time and it results in a free shot or cross.
This manager won’t do this of course. Like many posters on here he is risk averse to a fault. Sometimes though the status quo can be more risky than the change, that applies to both the manager and the team selection.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Hart
Long Tarks Gibson
JBG Defour Westwood Hendrick McNeil
Vydra Vokes
Long Tarks Gibson
JBG Defour Westwood Hendrick McNeil
Vydra Vokes
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Not a bad shout but not a chance of that happening. I’m betting it’ll be the same line up as Saturday with as you say the players given the chance to redeem themselves. Also people must be kidding themselves if they think McNeil is going to be in the starting line up!!!!claretspice wrote:I wouldn't advocate wholesale changes - these players generally deserve the chance to redeem themselves, and us - but I'd not be averse to trying something a little different, perhaps like using Tarkowski in the holding role, behind Hendrick and Defour.
Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Hart
Long. Tarkowski. Gibson
Lowton Westwood defour Hendrick Taylor
Gudmunsson
Vydra
Long. Tarkowski. Gibson
Lowton Westwood defour Hendrick Taylor
Gudmunsson
Vydra
Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
He will go
Hart,lowton,mee,long,Taylor
Jbg,cork,defour,Lennon,
Hendrick
Wood.
It won't work and we will be 3 down at half time.he will swap wood for vokes on 70 mins.At 0-5 with 10 mins left he will swap Defour for Barnes and Brady for Lennon with 4 mins left and we will lose 0-6.Thursday morning Dyche will resign and blame Garlick.
Hart,lowton,mee,long,Taylor
Jbg,cork,defour,Lennon,
Hendrick
Wood.
It won't work and we will be 3 down at half time.he will swap wood for vokes on 70 mins.At 0-5 with 10 mins left he will swap Defour for Barnes and Brady for Lennon with 4 mins left and we will lose 0-6.Thursday morning Dyche will resign and blame Garlick.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
And rightly so, in fairness. McNeil is a great prospect, but rarely is it a great idea to chuck the kids in when you're in a rut like we are now. A few bad games for a kid of 18/19 and you can sink their confidence.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Not a bad shout but not a chance of that happening. I’m betting it’ll be the same line up as Saturday with as you say the players given the chance to redeem themselves. Also people must be kidding themselves if they think McNeil is going to be in the starting line up!!!!
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Oh dear. Up until yesterday I had convinced myself that whilst we would be sucked into the dog fight, we,d still be okay and still be in the Premier League next season.
Now I'm thinking this is more than loss of confidence. Something has gone badly wrong behind the scenes. The players are not playing as a unit anymore and they don't seem to want to play for Dyche.
Now I'm thinking this is more than loss of confidence. Something has gone badly wrong behind the scenes. The players are not playing as a unit anymore and they don't seem to want to play for Dyche.
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Is Mala591 ablueclaret? His obsession with McNeil is reminiscent of Edgar/Smith/Tarks in midfield etc
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Hart
Bardsley Gibson Tarkowski Mee
Gudmunsson Westwood Defour Barnes
Vokes Vydra
Bardsley Gibson Tarkowski Mee
Gudmunsson Westwood Defour Barnes
Vokes Vydra
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
Ben Mee:
“We need to roll our sleeves up now and be ready for it. No-one is going to throw in the towel. There’s a long way to go and a nice win on Wednesday will put it right.”
“We need to roll our sleeves up now and be ready for it. No-one is going to throw in the towel. There’s a long way to go and a nice win on Wednesday will put it right.”
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Re: A complete shake up of the team v Liverpool
I genuinely don't think Mee even deserves his place in the team right now. Long, Tarks and Gibson should be ahead of him, based on recent form.claretblue wrote:Ben Mee:
“We need to roll our sleeves up now and be ready for it. No-one is going to throw in the towel. There’s a long way to go and a nice win on Wednesday will put it right.”