Scott Arfield

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:02 pm

Interesting challenge on the Hearts keeper today.

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:45 pm

https://twitter.com/ByTheMinSPFL/status ... 78754?s=08" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What is he thinking?!

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:48 pm

That was normal and legal in Nat Lofthouse's day.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:53 pm

The keeper wasn't in control of the ball, he had a right to go for it.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:58 pm

Fretters wrote:https://twitter.com/ByTheMinSPFL/status ... 78754?s=08

What is he thinking?!

He clearly wasn't... and they were wining too, so hardly necessary either

Not sure on the outcome card or result wise, but certainly a challenge that ends up costing your team points.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:59 pm

Is Dunne injured? Not in line up today for Hearts

thelaughingclaret · Post by **thelaughingclaret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:03 pm

Ball was on the ground, therefore he’s intitiled to go for it. It’s a foul but nothing more. Certainly not a red card.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:06 pm

Far too hesitant. Should have gone in with conviction.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:14 pm

MACCA wrote:He clearly wasn't... and they were wining too, so hardly necessary either

Not sure on the outcome card or result wise, but certainly a challenge that ends up costing your team points.

Red card but Rangers still won 2-1

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:32 pm

Why is that a red card?? I’m not sure it can be classed as dangerous. The ball was there to be won. It’s bad luck on the keepers end, but I’d say that’s an honest challenge. The ball was free. Arfield went for it. The keeper grabbed the ball just before the actual challenge. Just unlucky

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:07 pm

Exactly what we are missing.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:09 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Far too hesitant. Should have gone in with conviction.

Naughty!

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:36 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Naughty!

Couldn't help myself

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:40 pm

If Jimmy Dunne is not on every week starting he should be re- called.He can sit on our first team bench and get a few minutes each week at a better level

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:41 pm

Buy him back.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:42 pm

Scott Arfield was never a Premier League player far too hesitant and dithery.The lower league up North is his true level.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:43 pm

Speed of "tackle", out of control, endangering the safety of his opponent.

All 3 yes. Red card all day long

EK Claret · Post by **EK Claret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:53 pm

Jimmy Dunne out for 6-8 weeks ankle injury, a loss for the Mighty Jam Tarts

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:55 pm

EK Claret wrote:Jimmy Dunne out for 6-8 weeks ankle injury, a loss for the Mighty Jam Tarts

Is that why they've slipped down lately?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:42 pm

Hearts have failed to score a goal since a knee injury suffered by main striker Steven Naismith playing against Celtic in October.

Expected back mid December when results should start picking up.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:11 pm

I think we should get him back. But he wont come. We didn't offer a long enough contract to him. Unlike we did to Sam

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:14 pm

THAT IS AN APPALING TACKLE !!!

He needs to have a word with some of the team mates he left behind here and they’ll put him straight on how to properly back out of a challenge and not challenge for a ball.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:20 pm

Definite red card for me. It's dangerous, end of - ball there to be won or not. Could have easily ended up a Petr Cech like injury.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:29 pm

NickBFC wrote:Definite red card for me. It's dangerous, end of - ball there to be won or not. Could have easily ended up a Petr Cech like injury.

What about when keepers run into a group of played and punch for a ball away - should that also be banned?

(I’m genuinely curious as this for me is a similar situation for a player as the ball is on the ground and there to be won)

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:33 pm

bfccrazy wrote:What about when keepers run into a group of played and punch for a ball away - should that also be banned?

(I’m genuinely curious as this for me is a similar situation for a player as the ball is on the ground and there to be won)

Good question. Has there ever been a penalty given when a keeper has tried to punch the ball, missed it and right-hooked an opposition player?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:20 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Good question. Has there ever been a penalty given when a keeper has tried to punch the ball, missed it and right-hooked an opposition player?

Joe Hart should have given us one against WHU last season.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:23 pm

bfccrazy wrote:What about when keepers run into a group of played and punch for a ball away - should that also be banned?

(I’m genuinely curious as this for me is a similar situation for a player as the ball is on the ground and there to be won)

The ball was there to be won, but you can't jump in like Arfield did particularly near someone's head. If a keeper makes a clean punch which isn't dangerous then no issues. Doesn't need banning, otherwise you could ban tackles full stop. If a keeper did punch a player then I assume they would be carded? bit like an overhead kick for example, if it's too high/near a player's face then it's a free kick and possible card?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:23 pm

NickBFC wrote:The ball was there to be won, but you can't jump in like Arfield did particularly near someone's head. If a keeper makes a clean punch which isn't dangerous then no issues. Doesn't need banning, otherwise you could ban tackles full stop. If a keeper did punch a player then I assume they would be carded? bit like an overhead kick for example, if it's too high/near a player's face then it's a free kick and possible card?

Think we’ve all seen a keeper rush in and clean out a player or 2 in the name of clearing the ball and there is usually just a drop ball from wherever the punch lands. No card is produced as keepers have this air of protection around them in that scenario. Like when a player jumps with a keeper to head a high ball and the keeper gets a free kick.

It’s a very grey area and the Arfield challenge was nasty but if that was Arfield on the line facing the other way trying to defend a player running in to score would it be as bad a tackle or brave defending even though he’d clatter into an attacker.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 pm

Fretters wrote:https://twitter.com/ByTheMinSPFL/status ... 78754?s=08

What is he thinking?!

Clicked on your link and the page doesn't exist..help?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:32 am

I think we should have given him another contract. I think his sale could be one of the reasons for our failure this season.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:52 am

Pstotto wrote:I think we should have given him another contract. I think his sale could be one of the reasons for our failure this season.

agree 100%

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:10 pm

Awfull challenge

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:46 pm

Here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAsYyXFNg2E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Definitely a red.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:25 pm

He is playing really well for the Gers.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:10 pm

Goalie made a meal of it

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:09 pm

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:Here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAsYyXFNg2E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks INRB, the only person to be given a red card should have been that over excited excuse for a commentator who ever he was.

The ball was in play - the player was entitled to go for it because the ball was in play - the ball went over the line it was a goal, book the goalkeeper for making a meal of the other player's successful attempt to get the ball over the line... and that's it end of list.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:32 pm

In the modern game, if you make a genuine attempt to get the ball with a full blooded sliding challenge, but you get there half a second or so late and slide full welly into the man instead, it's a sending off. you could argue that it shouldn't be, if you like, but you'd be arguing that most of the straight reds we have seen in the last 10 years shouldn't have been red cards. The fact that he kicked the head of a goalkeeper who was holding the ball, rather than the ankle of an outfield player who had kicked the ball five yards up the field, is irrelevant.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:37 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:Goalie made a meal of it

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:39 pm

He did pull his legs back as he slid in but the momentum took him right through.

I'd class it as dangerous so a red is fair but when you've made the decision to go for it and the ball is there to be won there's not much you can do.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:42 pm

Be happy to see Cork, Lennon, Brady,Westwood, Defour,Mee, Lowton, Wood show the same kind of committent to the cause this season