KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

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KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby FCBurnley » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:32 pm

Reminded me of Harry Potts in Paris v Reims

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Woonderbah » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:34 pm

Ban him and his team.
And dock them say 100 points

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby tim_noone » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:37 pm

Knows full well the cameras on him..... Big Ego
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Leisure » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:37 pm

Woonderbah wrote:Ban him and his team.
And dock them say 100 points


And make them play on Wednesday with only 2 players!
Seriously though it should be a ban/fine for him. Never mind the passion, if a fan had done that he would be facing a ban.
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby WestMidsClaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:39 pm

Leisure wrote:And make them play on Wednesday with only 2 players!


Still wouldn't have a shot on target Pete :D :lol: ;)
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby randomclaret2 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:45 pm

He cannot be allowed to get away with it.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Billy Balfour » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:52 pm

At the very most - he should be given a warning about his future conduct.

You know what, though? We are in danger of sanitising football to the extent of where the so-called 'match day experience' becomes utterly dull and tedious.
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Steve1956 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:54 pm

Still cant get my head around the teeth, he's getting tiresome and he dresses like a tramp

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby mybloodisclaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:58 pm

I like him, and his passion. Clearly running on the pitch was a mistake, but it would be funny if Dyche did that on Wednesday in similar circs with Barnes nodding home. He will prob get a fine and that will be that.
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby LeadBelly » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:01 pm

I agree with Billy Balfour. He has to be officially "told off" and reminded not to do that again. Hardly a major crime though in comparison to diving/play acting; financial skulduggery; FIFA corruption; agents' creaming money, etc etc.

I think his "passion" is genuine- not something he does "for the cameras". Little smack on the wrist does the trick.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby RocketLawnChair » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:01 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:At the very most - he should be given a warning about his future conduct.

You know what, though? We are in danger of sanitising football to the extent of where the so-called 'match day experience' becomes utterly dull and tedious.


Whilst I agree with the sentiment Billy we cant have managers charging across the pitch when a goal is scored. As for a future conduct rap you are giving precedent for the other 19 managers to do it al least once. Also I get the impression if Klopp was on the receiving end he would be the first to complain. Not keen on him me find him a bit false and in reality he is a right nasty ******* when things aren't going his way.
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby randomclaret2 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:14 pm

Nothing to do with passion... You cannot allow managers to run on the pitch celebrating goals let alone last minute winners in derby matches.As for the game becoming sanitised ...in the good old days before football did become sanitised this would not have been allowed.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby ElectroClaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:24 pm

I've no love for Mourinho, but if that was Jose, theyd be building the gallows now.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Dyched » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:27 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:I've no love for Mourinho, but if that was Jose, theyd be building the gallows now.


THIS!! How much has he spent aswell? Doesn’t get any stick cos he rounds about hugging.

Eric Dier has had more agro for his celebration than Kopp for some reason

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:33 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:I've no love for Mourinho, but if that was Jose, theyd be building the gallows now.

Jose did it for porto at old trafford. And inter at the nou camp.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Woodleyclaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:33 pm

In the "good old days" some Evertonian would have run on and smacked him one
Lets hope its Seans turn to leap around on Wednesday when we beat the Scousers
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Tall Paul » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:35 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:I've no love for Mourinho, but if that was Jose, theyd be building the gallows now.


It didn't take long for Klopp to make my Liverpool supporting colleague look stupid after he was criticising Mourinho's celebrations against Young Boys last week.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Andingle » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:37 pm

One thing it brought out was Neil Warnocks hypocrisy.
He refused to shake hands with Nuno Santo after he ran on to celebrate Wolves victory v Cardiff , calling him disgraceful and showing a lack of class , yet he thinks Jurgon Klopps actions were Lovely !
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby TVC15 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:07 pm

So...if we Burnley scored a 96th minute winner v Blackburn and our manager ran on the pitch to celebrate would any of us want action taken against him or would he gain legendary status with the fans ?
Klopp has apologised and tried to explain that it was just one of things where he was in the moment - he apologised straight away to Silva. It should be just left at that.
I can't remember SAF and Brian Kidd being done for running onto the pitch when they beat Sheffield Wednesday...neither can I recall SAF apologising to anyone (ever about anything !!).
Yes Mourinho would be castigated now if he did it - that`s simply because he is a nasty piece of work nobody likes anymore. Again when he ran down the line at Old Trafford when Porto got the winner my memory is that lots of people thought that was great (other than United fans !) and that was because people did not really know him then and it was good to see somebody showing this amount of passion.
It was exceptional circumstances yesterday and a "one-off" type reaction - if it starts happening every week then yes ban them.

Also not sure how this can be compared to a fan running on the pitch.
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Postby Tall Paul » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:23 pm

TVC15 wrote:he apologised straight away to Silva.


Not according to Silva.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby RocketLawnChair » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:28 pm

TVC15 wrote:So...if we Burnley scored a 96th minute winner v Blackburn and our manager ran on the pitch to celebrate would any of us want action taken against him or would he gain legendary status with the fans ?
Klopp has apologised and tried to explain that it was just one of things where he was in the moment - he apologised straight away to Silva. It should be just left at that.
I can't remember SAF and Brian Kidd being done for running onto the pitch when they beat Sheffield Wednesday...neither can I recall SAF apologising to anyone (ever about anything !!).
Yes Mourinho would be castigated now if he did it - that`s simply because he is a nasty piece of work nobody likes anymore. Again when he ran down the line at Old Trafford when Porto got the winner my memory is that lots of people thought that was great (other than United fans !) and that was because people did not really know him then and it was good to see somebody showing this amount of passion.
It was exceptional circumstances yesterday and a "one-off" type reaction - if it starts happening every week then yes ban them.

Also not sure how this can be compared to a fan running on the pitch.


Why would we want action taken against our manager if he did that against Blackburn in the 96th minute? That doesn't mean action shouldn't be taken though!

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby JohnMac » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:35 pm

Both.

Great to see a Manager caught up in the euphoria of a winning goal but rules apply to all so it's a big fine and a minimum 3 game ban for me.

Let's not forget what happens to a fan 'caught up in the moment' because they have no defence whatsoever.
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby JohnMac » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:38 pm

Billy Balfour wrote: We are in danger of sanitising football to the extent of where the so-called 'match day experience' becomes utterly dull and tedious.


I thought we were leading the field in that respect :(

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Vegas Claret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:45 pm

pretty much the only thing good about football at the moment is when you see some passion, good on him
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby houseboy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:50 pm

I honestly cannot see what the fuss is about. He is a character and the game is getting seriously short of them. He is passionate and there is nothing wrong with that. As for running on the pitch it is nothing at all like a fan doing it. You don't know what a fan is going to do but a manager is hardly going to run on and assault anyone is he?

Klopp is great fun and contrary to what we always say about Germans he has a wonderful sense of humour.

He ain't a bad manager either being the best at Liverpool in many a long year. He shouldn't even have to apologise in my opinion.
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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby tim_noone » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:54 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Whilst I agree with the sentiment Billy we cant have managers charging across the pitch when a goal is scored. As for a future conduct rap you are giving precedent for the other 19 managers to do it al least once. Also I get the impression if Klopp was on the receiving end he would be the first to complain. Not keen on him me find him a bit false and in reality he is a right nasty ******* when things aren't going his way.

He ran the length of the touch line in front of koeman? At Southampton .. and I recall karanka and co at turf moor doing the same. Our Equaliser brought the biggest roar I've ever heard at Burnley.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby tim_noone » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:57 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Nothing to do with passion... You cannot allow managers to run on the pitch celebrating goals let alone last minute winners in derby matches.As for the game becoming sanitised ...in the good old days before football did become sanitised this would not have been allowed.

Apart from graham souness planting the flag in the Turkish Derby! Now that took some Balls :o

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Postby Vegas Claret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:53 pm

he's been charged with misconduct

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Postby tim_noone » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:57 pm

A big chance missed by a steward to rugby tackle him and go viral!

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby PutTheWheelieBinsOut » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:18 pm

Yes we don't want anyone to show any passion, respectful applause please and don't dare leave before you have clapped the players of the pitch at the end regardless of the result, keep your opinions to yourself too!. Those sensitive millionaire footballers and managers deserve our respect, we might work 40 hours a week but these poor souls have to do a full 90 minutes (if they don't get taken off).

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Funkydrummer » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:41 pm

I don't know the rules in this respect and can't be ar$ed looking them up. If he has broken a rule
then dish out the prescribed punishment - if he hasn't, then leave the bloke alone and, as my
dear old grandma used to say, get on with your own knitting.

FWIW, I don't see any harm in what he did in the attendant circumstances.

Move on.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Buxtonclaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:47 pm

They just can't let that go.
Imagine the precedent it'll set.
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Postby evensteadiereddie » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:50 pm

Presidence who ?

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Postby basil6345789 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:58 pm

Showboating, not passion. I like the man but he was out of order and should've got a slap.
This passion thing is nonsense.

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Postby Funkydrummer » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:04 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:They just can't let that go.
Imagine the presidence it'll set.


I agree if there is a law against it (which I would assume there is).

Precedent BTW. :D
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Postby Shore claret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:08 pm

He should of been arrested he's not a player and shouldn't be on the pitch during the game, and he's a tedious prick

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Postby Belgianclaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:14 pm

Good manager, but such behavior is a blemish for legendary managers such as Shankley, Paisley & Dalglish

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Postby FCBurnley » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:29 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Why would we want action taken against our manager if he did that against Blackburn in the 96th minute? That doesn't mean action shouldn't be taken though!

Unlikely I know but how would we feel if it was Rovers Manager celebrating their winning goal at Ewood v Us ? Would probably start a full scale riot. The Everton fans must have been raging.

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Postby Buxtonclaret » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:32 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:I agree if there is a law against it (which I would assume there is).

Precedent BTW. :D


Auto spell thingy. :(

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Postby MrTopTier » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 pm

He’s an honorary scouser, so celebrating like they have won the title in December is to be expected.

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Postby ElectroClaret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:39 pm

Accepted a misconduct charge and fined £8,000.

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Postby JohnMac » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:53 pm

I am not surprised the authorities have been lenient but it's a bit of a soft option.

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Postby dsr » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:56 am

houseboy wrote:I honestly cannot see what the fuss is about. He is a character and the game is getting seriously short of them. He is passionate and there is nothing wrong with that. As for running on the pitch it is nothing at all like a fan doing it. You don't know what a fan is going to do but a manager is hardly going to run on and assault anyone is he?

Klopp is great fun and contrary to what we always say about Germans he has a wonderful sense of humour.

He ain't a bad manager either being the best at Liverpool in many a long year. He shouldn't even have to apologise in my opinion.

Here's what the fuss is about. You can't make a rule that says some officials but not others are allowed on the pitch, or that some goals can be celebrated on the pitch but not others. Either no-one is allowed onto the pitch apart from the players; or everyone is allowed on the pitch to celebrate goals. If Klopp is allowed on, then why can't the entire 22-man backroom staff and all the subs join him? Have 40 people in the group hug?

The FA should, but won't, take action to nip this in the bud. Every match is on TV - make it an automatic rule that anyone other than the 11 players who comes onto the pitch without permission, gets a one-match ban. Subs, managers, whatever. This will nip it in the bud. Any player who doesn't have the mental capacity to understand this rule (and there will be some - look at the number who can't get their head round the shirt removal rule) can be put on reins or something.

But the FA won't do this, because their preferred action is always to bury their heads in the sand and pretend everything in the world of football is perfect.

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Postby houseboy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:12 am

dsr wrote:Here's what the fuss is about. You can't make a rule that says some officials but not others are allowed on the pitch, or that some goals can be celebrated on the pitch but not others. Either no-one is allowed onto the pitch apart from the players; or everyone is allowed on the pitch to celebrate goals. If Klopp is allowed on, then why can't the entire 22-man backroom staff and all the subs join him? Have 40 people in the group hug?

The FA should, but won't, take action to nip this in the bud. Every match is on TV - make it an automatic rule that anyone other than the 11 players who comes onto the pitch without permission, gets a one-match ban. Subs, managers, whatever. This will nip it in the bud. Any player who doesn't have the mental capacity to understand this rule (and there will be some - look at the number who can't get their head round the shirt removal rule) can be put on reins or something.

But the FA won't do this, because their preferred action is always to bury their heads in the sand and pretend everything in the world of football is perfect.

Don't agree at all. Klopp is the manager of the team and when the ball is out of play (as it was) and he wants to celebrate a goal then that should not be a problem. Too many rules in life these days without pathetic crap like this. Good on him and I totally support what he did.

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Postby evensteadiereddie » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:17 am

Belgianclaret wrote:Good manager, but such behavior is a blemish for legendary managers such as Shankley, Paisley & Dalglish



Aye, a manager so legendary you can't even spell his name.... ;)

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Sleeping Cat » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:09 pm

It's over the top & disrespectful to the opposition, but other than that there's nothing wrong with it. It happens loads. Jose (several times), Di Canio vs Newcastle, The goal last season City scored where their whole backroom staff ran down to the corner to celebrate (Mendy was hobbling down the touchline after his surgery) and it seems to happens a lot at international tournaments with whole benches encroaching onto the pitch.

It is certainly not the same as a fan running on the pitch. The fan is not involved in the game the same as a manager. By that I mean the manager needs access the pitch as part of his role. Fans shouldn't be on the pitch full stop..... Unless they've just seen their team stay in the football league after beating Orient on the final day of the season. Or won promotion. ;)

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby dsr » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:50 pm

houseboy wrote:Don't agree at all. Klopp is the manager of the team and when the ball is out of play (as it was) and he wants to celebrate a goal then that should not be a problem. Too many rules in life these days without pathetic crap like this. Good on him and I totally support what he did.

And if the other manager comes on to the pitch for a team talk while Klopp is on the pitch? And if the other manager brings his assistant? Are you going to set a limit on how many non-players are allowed on, or will it be just Klopp?

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby houseboy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:05 pm

dsr wrote:And if the other manager comes on to the pitch for a team talk while Klopp is on the pitch? And if the other manager brings his assistant? Are you going to set a limit on how many non-players are allowed on, or will it be just Klopp?

I don't care who or what official is on the pitch when there is no play going on, I really don't. I actually really honestly don't care, they are not interfering with play so it doesn't make a blind bit of difference. This rule about not leaving the technical area (when did they invent that anyway FFS) is a nonsense, managers used to run up and down the touchline years ago.

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Re: KLOPP.........Ban him or praise his passion ?

Postby Lord Beamish » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:21 pm

In answer to the OP; I would put Klopp in a cardboard box, tie it up with string, and them put him in a dark place for a long time.


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