Another monster to be released

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Another monster to be released

Post by Blackrod » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:43 pm

The monster of Worcester. Butchered 3 young children and then impaled them on railings. The parole board feel this monster can now control its emotions and is 'less' likely to offend. This should reassure people. No doubt taxpayers money will be spent re housing and hiding this foul creature so someone doesn't polish the scumbag off.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Leisure » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:55 pm

Unbelievable -

David McGreavy was sentenced to life in 1973 for killing Paul Ralph, four, and his sisters Dawn, two, and nine-month-old Samantha in their Worcester home.
Their mother Elsie Urry told The Sun she had "begged" that McGreavy, who is now in his late 60s, stay locked up.
A Parole Board report said he "changed considerably" over 45 years in jail.
The board confirmed a panel had directed his release following an oral hearing.
McGreavy, who was dubbed the "Monster of Worcester", was the family's lodger and claimed he killed the children because one of them would not stop crying.
He strangled Paul at the home in Gillam Street, Rainbow Hill, while Dawn was found with her throat cut. Samantha died from a compound fracture to the skull.
Ms Urry told The Sun after news he had been cleared for release: "What this animal did to my children was every bit as bad as what the Moors Murderers did. He put my babies on spikes for God's sake - he mutilated them and they died in agony."
She was reassured after his trial "his crime was so terrible he would never walk free again" and now felt "betrayed".
A board document referred to a victim personal statement from Ms Urry "setting out the devastating effect that these deaths had on her and still do have".
But it said McGreavy now had "a considerable understanding of the problems that he has had and what caused them".
It added: "The psychologist identified a number of factors which make it less likely that Mr McGreavy will reoffend in future.
"These included his improved self-control and the fact that Mr McGreavy has learnt to remain calm in stressful situations.
"A network of supportive friends in the community was also identified as a protective factor."
The possible release of McGreavy has been discussed by authorities for at least 10 years.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:58 pm

Who on earth are the " network of supportive friends in the community " ?

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by tim_noone » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:01 pm

I'm surprised he hasn't already been dispatched.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Blackrod » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:32 pm

I thought they had now put in place a system where parole board decisions could be overturned. This was on the back of a recent decision whereby the crime was heinous,there was public outrage and it was in the public interest. Who on Earth sits on this parole board and what is wrong with them.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by lesxdp » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:42 pm

I am sure the term "less Likely" will make everyone feel safe. After all it must be better than likely.

This country has soom strange ways of protecting its people. He should never ever be released.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Murger » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:48 pm

I bet they don't tell people where he's getting rehoused either.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Shore claret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:12 pm

Some people should just never be released, the crimes are just too heinous.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:14 pm

I'm not sure you should ever let out someone whose killed three kids.

I mean, what is he going to do with his free time? He'd be lynched if anyone ever found out where he was

Just a quick edit to say he shouldn't be let out. Ever.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Lord Beamish » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:19 pm

Without really knowing the ins and outs of the case, I’m inclined to say that I’d be happy for this man to only leave Prison in a pine box.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by conyoviejo » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:31 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Without really knowing the ins and outs of the case, I’m inclined to say that I’d be happy for this man to only leave Prison in a pine box.
Cardboard would be better..
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by bfcjg » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:31 pm

There are people on this board and we know the likes of who, who support evil monsters human rights more than they support the rights of victims. That's why we have such events as this. He should be tortured and hung.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:36 pm

I'm not for capital punishment, even for this guy. But a spell in Wakey prison would probably be best all round now, we'd probably not hear of him again.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by claretandy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:02 pm

Won't be long now until Turtles heed comes along to tell you that you're all wrong .....

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by biggles » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:05 pm

we are a liberal nation. and we liberals have fought for years for prisoners to be re-educated, re-adjusted and released as soon as possible. some countries put people like this away for life. but we liberals think that's barbaric and we would like to think that we have come a long way since the days when 'life meant life'. we believe that by showing mercy to killers and by showing them that there is a better way to live in society we have risen above the barbaric ways which tarnish other nations. we will never fall to their low standards again. so please thank us liberals for allowing our country to feel extra smug and benevolent by releasing prisoners, no matter what they might have done wrong, in a cultured and benevolent way. there really are so many ways in which we liberals have made life in our country so much better for those who stray a little. well done us.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:08 pm

I would be surprised if anyone on here is comfortable with this guy being not in jail if we are being fair.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by bfcjg » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I would be surprised if anyone on here is comfortable with this guy being not in jail if we are being fair.
So why is he being realeased why are there people and procedures that ensure he is released ?

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:25 pm

bfcjg wrote:So why is he being realeased why are there people and procedures that ensure he is released ?
Not sure anyone on here is responsible for that.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:26 pm

**** knows mate

This is the sort of case I'm really wary on commenting on as I know absolutely nothing about it.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:27 pm

Murger wrote:I bet they don't tell people where he's getting rehoused either.
I hope they don't. I don't want to see anyone ruining their life by murdering him.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:30 pm

bfcjg wrote:There are people on this board and we know the likes of who, who support evil monsters human rights more than they support the rights of victims. That's why we have such events as this. He should be tortured and hung.
Nah, im a lefty but you do something like that and you give up any right to be a member of society. Whole life sentence should be the only way

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by bfcjg » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:47 pm

I never said they support evil monsters just their human rights and by doing so allow them to walk free using human rights.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by biggles » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:06 pm

bfcjg wrote:There are people on this board and we know the likes of who, who support evil monsters human rights more than they support the rights of victims. That's why we have such events as this. He should be tortured and hung.


i mean, yeah, IT is bloody annoying but that might be going a bit too far; even for him!
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:16 pm

bfcjg wrote:I never said they support evil monsters just their human rights and by doing so allow them to walk free using human rights.
It's a waste of time trying to explain this to you, but i'm going to try anyway.

When liberals "defend the rights of evil monsters" they're actually primarily defending the rights of themselves, me, and you, and everyone else. When you argue against them defending those rights, or attack those rights, then you are literally arguing against, and attacking, your own rights.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:16 pm

I'm all for rehabilitation and second chances but I'm finding it very easy to believe that this bloke should never be released.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by LS7 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:37 pm

Should have had the death penalty in 1973

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:49 pm

Simple solution, if the parole board deem him safe to be released, let him live with them and their families, money saved and problem solved.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:54 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Simple solution, if the parole board deem him safe to be released, let him live with them and their families, money saved and problem solved.
This is stupid.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by biggles » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's a waste of time trying to explain this to you, but i'm going to try anyway.

When liberals "defend the rights of evil monsters" they're actually primarily defending the rights of themselves, me, and you, and everyone else. When you argue against them defending those rights, or attack those rights, then you are literally arguing against, and attacking, your own rights.


but they still defend the rights of evil monsters! perhaps they should be more specific in their demands?

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This is stupid.
Why?

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by dsr » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:27 am

I remember when there were agitations that Myra Hindley should be released, and it was said that she appreciated how much she had done wrong and was truly sorry. One commentator pointed out that if she truly appreciated how much she had done wrong, she would not want to be let out. How can anyone come to terms with having done that?

We all know human rights are mutable. If they weren't there wouldn't be any prisons at all. This man's human rights can be defended, certainly; but his human rights should never include the right to walk free.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by dsr » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:27 am

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Simple solution, if the parole board deem him safe to be released, let him live with them and their families, money saved and problem solved.
It's stupid because he can leave the family home and murder the children next door. For one thing.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:08 am

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Why?
I can't believe I have to explain this but it's stupid because if parole is to be decided by whether the board members would accept the prisoner into their home then no one who goes before them would ever be released from prison.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:10 am

biggles wrote:but they still defend the rights of evil monsters! perhaps they should be more specific in their demands?

Like it or not these evil monsters are still human, and you can't have human rights applied selectively, otherwise they wouldn't be human rights.

Perhaps you should engage your brain a little bit more into trying to understand the points being made.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Murger » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:15 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Like it or not these evil monsters are still human, and you can't have human rights applied selectively, otherwise they wouldn't be human rights.

Perhaps you should engage your brain a little bit more into trying to understand the points being made.
They shouldn't have ANY rights. Do the crime, get locked up and left to rot.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:15 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I can't believe I have to explain this but it's stupid because if parole is to be decided by whether the board members would accept the prisoner into their home then no one who goes before them would ever be released from prison.
Excellent.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Blackrod » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:07 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I can't believe I have to explain this but it's stupid because if parole is to be decided by whether the board members would accept the prisoner into their home then no one who goes before them would ever be released from prison.
Classic :lol:

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by BigChaCha » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:47 am

He didn't just snap, he killed all 3 in a different way which tells me he thought about what he was doing.

An insert from Wikipedia .....

Some time between 10:15 and 11:15 pm, a drunk McGreavy became infuriated with the Ralph children, beginning with the baby, Samantha, who had been crying for her bottle. McGreavy violently killed Samantha and then the other two children, each in a different manner. Eight-month-old Samantha died from a fractured skull, 2-year-old Dawn had her throat slit and 4-year-old Paul was strangled. After killing the three children, McGreavy went down to the basement and retrieved a pickaxe. He further mutilated their bodies with the pickaxe before impaling the three bodies on the spikes of a wrought iron fence in a neighbour's yard. He then left the home

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Sproggy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:30 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I can't believe I have to explain this but it's stupid because if parole is to be decided by whether the board members would accept the prisoner into their home then no one who goes before them would ever be released from prison.
Yet they're happy to let him go and live next to someone else. I think you just proved the point.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by houseboy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:39 am

Bizarlley I think the parole boards reasons are sound even though I don't agree with him being let out. He should stay inside till he dies in my opinion but when they say he isn't a danger to anyone now they are almost certainly right. He's nearly 70 so he isn't likely to be a danger to anyone now and 45 years inside may well have changed him and people with far more knowledge than us are making these decisions. I think prison should be a punishment not a rehab opportunity (although if rehab is achieved that is a bonus) so from that point of view his realease is wrong but nevertheless the board are correct (probably) in their assumption of risk.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:39 am

Some criminals need a lethal injection. Here is one example.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:41 am

Every criminal must have the right, at some stage, to have parole or freedom considered. Whether it is awarded and on what grounds is another matter entirely but the right to a review is absolutely fundamental.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Murger » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:42 am

houseboy wrote:Bizarlley I think the parole boards reasons are sound even though I don't agree with him being let out. He should stay inside till he dies in my opinion but when they say he isn't a danger to anyone now they are almost certainly right. He's nearly 70 so he isn't likely to be a danger to anyone now and 45 years inside may well have changed him and people with far more knowledge than us are making these decisions. I think prison should be a punishment not a rehab opportunity (although if rehab is achieved that is a bonus) so from that point of view his realease is wrong but nevertheless the board are correct (probably) in their assumption of risk.
A 70 year old could still overpower a child.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Shore claret » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:50 am

I bet the poor person who found those kids was haunted for the rest of their life.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:51 am

Sproggy wrote:Yet they're happy to let him go and live next to someone else. I think you just proved the point.

I doubt they're happy, they just don't have reason to keep him locked up.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Sproggy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:59 am

It's a good acid test though isn't it? The parole board should be asked if they'd be happy for him to live next door to their own kids or grandkids? No? Parole denied.
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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:04 am

Sproggy wrote:It's a good acid test though isn't it? The parole board should be asked if they'd be happy for him to live next door to their own kids or grandkids? No? Parole denied.
No. For a whole number of reasons. How about we start with the obvious prejudicial implications of parole board members having to be willing to personally house released convicts when deciding whether or not they're safe enough to be released back into society. Then there's the logistics, cost etc.

It's one of the most stupid ideas I've ever read. It would end up with first-time burglars, or drug addicts spending their entire lives in prison.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Sproggy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:20 am

Slow down turtleshead. Purely hypothetical question. Is he reformed enough to a point where you'd be happy for him to be living amongst your own kids?

First time burglars probably aren't eligible for parole as their sentences are likely too short. But I'm sure you already knew that.

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:22 am

Hang on a sec, you think he's going to be sent somewhere to live where there are lots of kids?

He's going to be on every single list going.

He's going to spend the rest of his life in sheltered accommodation in a town that everyone who wants to raise a family has already left.

He still shouldn't be released like, but lets be realistic where he is going to end up

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Re: Another monster to be released

Post by Foulthrow » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:11 am

It's a difficult one is this. Let's be honest, he's been in prison for a very long time. However, as a society we seem to place a higher level of reproach on someone who has murdered children. If he had done the same to adults he would have been out a long time ago and with little media attention.

Should he be let out? I don't know, I haven't seen all the evidence.

Would I want him living within 50 miles of my kids? Absolutely not.

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