Donald Trump is Finished

[CharlieinNewMexico]

You are obsessed, brain washed and deluded. Oh and you forgot the Russian Collusion proof........................again.

I really don't understand why you're asking for proof from IT?
This is Mueller's game. He's taken an excruciating age to get all his ducks in a row. Which in itself shows incredible patience. Nothing will be happen until everything is watertight and all the walls are ready to come tumbling down.

Trump is paralyzed anyway. He can't push anything through unless it's executive order and 16000 were just laid off at GM. The "American industry" he said he was going to protect.
Of course he blamed GM.

[Imploding Turtle]

I really don't understand why you're asking for proof from IT?
This is Mueller's game. He's taken an excruciating age to get all his ducks in a row. Which in itself shows incredible patience. Nothing will be happen until everything is watertight and all the walls are ready to come tumbling down.

Trump is paralyzed anyway. He can't push anything through unless it's executive order and 16000 were just laid off at GM. The "American industry" he said he was going to protect.
Of course he blamed GM.

He hasn't taken an excruciating age. That's something peddled by Trump's talking heads because they think if in 18 months he's not indicted Trump already it must mean he's still looking. But they know they're full of ****. 18 months is nothing. You only need look at previous investigations to see that this hasn't been a long time at all.

This image is from 12 months ago but it shows how long other similar, probably smaller, investigations have taken.

[Imploding Turtle]

Trump is paralyzed anyway. He can't push anything through unless it's executive order and 16000 were just laid off at GM. The "American industry" he said he was going to protect.
Of course he blamed GM.

That tax cut he signed and loves to talk about (which has exploded the deficit) actually gives corporations like GM a financial incentive to move their jobs abroad.

[houseboy]

What successful, legally run businesses has Trump run? If Trump was a good businessman then he wouldn't have to be a tax cheat, or money launderer. He wouldn't have to declare bankruptcy so much and he'd be able to get a loan. So please show me evidence that he's a good businessman.

I don't need to show you any evidence. So he's a tax cheat? Show me a successful person who isn't to some degree. He's a money launderer? He has not been caught and imprisoned so he isn't stupid is he? He's declared bankruptcy? I personally know people who have made a living from going bankrupt. I never said he was honest. I never said I like him (can't stand the man). What I did say is that he is a successful business man and he absolutely is, however much you may dislike what he does and what he is (I'm in complete agreement with you on that) he is successful and he is a very rich 'ducker and diver'. He knows how to play the game and his salesmanship has got him into the most powerful job on Earth.
There is nothing I would like more than to see him fall, to see him impeached and thrown out of office, but his own dubious success and the history of the American presidency suggests that will never happen.

[Imploding Turtle]

Money launderers aren't successful business men. Literally the opposite. They run money through companies to clean it, not because they've attracted all that business though their fantastic business acumen.
And if his business transactions aren't fronts for money laundering they're scams, or failures. Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump Airlines to name but a few. And seriously. How can you say with a straight face he's a good business man when he can't even turn a profit with a casino.

Even his own Dad knew what a failure he was since Trump had to keep going back to him for more money after he blew through the money his dad kept having to give him.

And that's why he had to turn to crime, and Russia, and to not repaying debts and creditors, because as a straight businessman he was a complete failure.

[Lancasterclaret]

I don't need to show you any evidence.

This is the problem on this discussion and many others. You do need to show evidence, or its just your opinion. Its perfectly valid to have an opinion, it isn't perfectly valid to present such opinions as "facts".

[bluelabrador16]

Top 10 Russophobes of 2018: See who made RT’s prestigious list this year



"It's that special time of year when RT names the top 10 Russophobes of the last 12 months. The prestigious list is made up of those who RT believes have contributed to and benefited the most from the thriving world of Russophobia. ...

https://www.rt.com/news/441417-top-10-russophobes-2018/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A few posters on here just missed out!

[Lancasterclaret]

RT is paid for, reports for, and is used for the promoting of the interests of Putin and Russia, all the time.

It has some good shows on it, but lets not pretend its anything other that that eh?

[bluelabrador16]

Aside

Neoliberalism's Dark Path to Fascism .... Chris Hedges

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/neoli ... o-fascism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Elvis

"This is why one has to go to RT to see Chris Hedges on television. It's fu cking ridiculous That's why I've said RT, at the end of the day, is more objective than ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/PBS.

Neoliberalism—worse than its "bad cop" twin, libertarianism."

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=41433" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

"Russophobes"

[SmudgetheClaret]

Oh no it looks like the lefts big hope Flynn has yet again turned into a nothing burger! get ready for another 6 years of MAGA ..

[Imploding Turtle]

Oh no it looks like the lefts big hope Flynn has yet again turned into a nothing burger! get ready for another 6 years of MAGA ..

in what way?

Also, i thought something big was supposed to start yesterday. You assured me that something big to do with the Clinton's was going down on the 5th.

[Vegas Claret]

is he still here ?

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

I've not refused to admit anyone's wrong-doings. More lies from a desperate Trump supporter.

You're right though, i would absolutely vote for Hillary over Trump tomorrow if i could. Hillary has never been credibly accused of being a traitor. She was investigated and the investigation found nothing criminal worth prosecuting. She's been investigated for 2 decades and Republicans couldn't find anything to prosecute her for. She was probably the most vetted presidential candidate in history but because of a private email server you hated her and instead voted for someone so obviously a crook that he was too scared to even release his tax returns. You voted for someone who literally asked Russia to commit espionage against America, on TV. You voted for someone who lied about his Russia dealings and who was compromised by Russia all because of Hillary's emails.

And all that would have been absolutely fine had you been ignorant of all of it, but you weren't. I told you. Everyone told you. You just wouldn't listen.
But worst of all? You STILL support him. Even knowing all this as you do now you continue to support him, all while criticising me for things that simply aren't true.

You are, in every sense, a hypocrite. You hated Hillary because she was supposedly "crooked" so you voted for Trump and still support him. You hated Obama because the debt exploded while he was president as a result of the budget deficit. Obama worked for 8 years to cut that massive deficit left to him to about 3 or 400 billion and Trump had exploded it to a trillion in two years. You celebrated Trump's campaign promise to "drain the swamp" yet he hired swamp creatures for his cabinet such as Flynn, Tillerson, Pruitt, Ross, Zinke, DeVos, Mnuchin, Whitaker, Acosta, and Sessions. Not to mention people like Cohen, Manafort, Papadopolous, Page, Lewendowski etc. on the campaign. And let's not forget the biggest swamp creature of them all, Trump himself who has used the presidency to enrich himself and his family. He hosts foreign dignitaries at his hotels at huge taxpayer expense. His family members get Chinese trademarks in exchange for lifting of tariffs on china's mobile phone maker ZTE that would have ended the company. He does **** all as president except sit around all day and watch Fox, or golfs after saying during the campaign that he'd never have time to play golf.

You have absolutely no credibility. Your political opinions are as much a fraud as you are and the people you vote for and i'm thoroughly enjoying watching you have to scramble to find a reasons to continue to support this basket of deplorables just so that you can avoid accepting that people like me were right the whole damn time.

I've really enjoyed writing this post, but i can't wait until Mueller's investigation allows me to write even more enjoyable ones.

Do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend?

[Imploding Turtle]

You are obsessed, brain washed and deluded. Oh and you forgot the Russian Collusion proof........................again.

IF this is true, would it count as evidence of collusion? Or will Trump claim that Flynn was just a tea-boy?

[Bosscat]

"Russophobes"

I love Rene Russo (she might be getting on a bit but is still a hottie )

[ClaretMoffitt]

Now you're just making **** up because you've lost the argument. Unlike you, i wouldn't support someone for president who knowingly called a paedophile a "terrific guy" let alone possibly enjoyed orgy parties with him. Now i'm not saying that says anything about me, because i think almost any decent person wouldn't vote for such a person. But you did, so i can only imagine what that says about you.

Yeaaaa I don't buy it.

[Imploding Turtle]

Yeaaaa I don't buy it.

I've told you before. Stop thinking everyone is like you.

[Imploding Turtle]

"Not only is AMI CEO David Pecker known to be longtime friends with Trump, it was reported over the summer that he kept a safe in his office full of documents with information that could be damaging to the president. These documents were reportedly acquired via a “catch and kill” practice of paying for the rights to stories and then not publishing them, keeping the information secret. That same practice is what AMI is said to have done with McDougal’s story.

So what’s in the safe? We don’t know, but there’s a very good chance that federal investigators do. Pecker himself reportedly made a deal with feds earlier this year, and now AMI has as well. With both Pecker and his company agreeing to help investigators that sure seems to be focused on Trump, it would make sense that these damaging stories would be of interest."

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/ami-app ... ve-it-now/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[bluelabrador16]

I didn't expect the following:

"White Socialism in the US"

JR

"Racism is always a major motivating factor in American elections (and most everywhere else, unfortunately).

I Cannot Believe How Truthful This Is:

I have been out-radicaled by a self-identified Republican. In Forbes. Really, read this, it's not at all what you expect from an anti-Trump Republican. It's a shocking confession, from the inside of the Happy White World (perhaps still the majority, barely). I do disagree insofar as this implies the attitudes people have are not changing. They obviously have been, and more than gradually.

Unspeakable Realities Block Universal Health Coverage In America ...Chris Ladd

"Election 2016 has prompted a wave of head-scratching on the left. Counties Trump won by staggering margins will be among the hardest hit by the repeal of the Affordable Care Act. Millions of white voters who supported Donald Trump stand to lose their access to health coverage because of their vote.

Individual profiles of Trump voters feed this baffling narrative. A Washington Post story described the experience of Clyde Graham, a long-unemployed coal worker who depends on the ACA for access to health care. He voted for Trump knowing it might cost him his health insurance out of his hope of capturing the great white unicorn – a new job in the mines. His stance is not unusual.

Why are economically struggling blue collar voters rejecting a party that offers to expand public safety net programs? The reality is that the bulk of needy white voters are not interested in the public safety net. They want to restore their access to an older safety net, one much more generous, dignified, and stable than the public system – the one most well-employed voters still enjoy.

When it seems like people are voting against their interests, I have probably failed to understand their interests. We cannot begin to understand Election 2016 until we acknowledge the power and reach of socialism for white people.

Americans with good jobs live in a socialist welfare state more generous, cushioned and expensive to the public than any in Europe. Like a European system, we pool our resources to share the burden of catastrophic expenses, but unlike European models, our approach doesn’t cover everyone.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/ ... 9b1d3a186a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...We may one day recognize that we are all “in it together” and find ways to build a more stable, sensible welfare system. That will not happen unless we acknowledge the painful and sometimes embarrassing legacy that brought us to this place. Absent that reckoning, unspoken realities will continue to warp our political calculations, frustrating our best hopes and stunting our potential."

[Imploding Turtle]

"White socialism"

[bluelabrador16]

Unlike IT, I hope our American resident clarets might read the article, and then hopefully comment.

[Imploding Turtle]

The link you posted is from March last year. The writer talks about how a voter he spoke to voted for this orange idiot because he wanted one of the mining jobs he'd create.

Would you like to tell the rest of the class how many new coal mining jobs have been created since the Cheeto Mussolini took office? Or would you prefer if i did?

[bluelabrador16]

"White Socialism in the US"

The following paragraphs jumped out at me:

"My family’s generous health insurance costs about $20,000 a year, of which we pay only $4,000 in premiums. The rest is subsidized by taxpayers. You read that right. Like virtually everyone else on my block who isn’t old enough for Medicare or employed by the government, my family is covered by private health insurance subsidized by taxpayers at a stupendous public cost. Well over 90% of white households earning over the white median income (about $75,000) carried health insurance even before the Affordable Care Act. White socialism is nice if you can get it.

Companies can deduct the cost of their employees’ health insurance while employees are not required to report that benefit as income. That results in roughly a $400 billion annual transfer of funds from state and federal treasuries to insurers to provide coverage for the Americans least in need of assistance. This is one of the defining features of white socialism, the most generous benefits go to those who are best suited to provide for themselves. Those benefits are not limited to health care.

When I buy a house for my family, or a vacation home, the interest I pay on the mortgage is deductible up to a million dollars of debt. That costs the treasury $70 billion a year, about what we spend to fund the food stamp program. My private retirement savings are also tax deductible, diverting another $75 billion from government revenues. Other tax preferences carve out special treatment for child care expenses, college savings, commuter costs (your suburban tax credit), local taxes, and other exemptions.

By funding government programs with tax credits and deductions rather than spending, we have created an enormous social safety net that grows ever more generous as household incomes rise. It is important to note, though, that you need not be wealthy to participate. All you need to gain access to socialism for white people is a good corporate or government job. That fact helps explain how this welfare system took shape sixty years ago, why it was originally (and still overwhelmingly) white, and why white Rust Belt voters showed far more enthusiasm for Donald Trump than for Bernie Sanders. White voters are not interested in democratic socialism. They want to restore their access to a more generous and dignified program of white socialism."

This was news to me!

Comments:

"Damn, that was a truth bomb that I would not have expected to see in Forbes.

It's a truth bomb like you won't see almost anywhere. It almost requires a well-off white man to describe his situation with uncompromising honesty from the inside. It's rare. Wow."

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... &start=480" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SmudgetheClaret]

Trump would have to use campaign funds to make paying hush money illegal he didn't! Just look at Cohen and that look of a blackmail victim also 17 million tax dollars were paid out 2017 in hush money for other senators the majority democrats! Trump should release their names ...sorry IT and haters yet another nothing burger... 4 more years ..

[Imploding Turtle]

Trump would have to use campaign funds to make paying hush money illegal he didn't! Just look at Cohen and that look of a blackmail victim also 17 million tax dollars were paid out 2017 in hush money for other senators the majority democrats! Trump should release their names ...sorry IT and haters yet another nothing burger... 4 more years ..

Not true. And one of the ways you should straight away be able to tell what you believe is not true is that Cohen pleaded guilty to it. If it wasn't a crime then why plead guilty to something that isn't a crime?

Candidates can donate as much money as they want to themselves for their campaign. Had Trump used personal money to pay the National Enquirer for these stories, or just payoff the women, then it wouldn't have been a problem. But he didn't use his own money. What he did was have his lawyer put a bunch of money into a company.. Once that happens the money isn't owned by a person, it's owned by a corporation, and then there are limits on campaign donations. On top of that the campaign donations need to be reported.

So when this company that Cohen set up paid off Daniels and McDougal for the purpose of the campaign that became a campaign contribution and needed to be reported to the FEC for it to remain legal. It wasn't reported.

Trump is on tape discussing paying off McDougal, and both Cohen and the National Enquirer editor are under oath saying that the purpose of the payment was to silence women to avoid hurting the campaign. Not only that but when Cohen was discussing the catch and kill agreement for these stories Trump was in the meeting with them.

Trump is bang to rights on felony campaign finance violations and you are completely wrong. As usual.

[SmudgetheClaret]

Not true. And one of the ways you should straight away be able to tell what you believe is not true is that Cohen pleaded guilty to it. If it wasn't a crime then why plead guilty to something that isn't a crime?

Candidates can donate as much money as they want to themselves for their campaign. Had Trump used personal money to pay the National Enquirer for these stories, or just payoff the women, then it wouldn't have been a problem. But he didn't use his own money. What he did was have his lawyer put a bunch of money into a company.. Once that happens the money isn't owned by a person, it's owned by a corporation, and then there are limits on campaign donations. On top of that the campaign donations need to be reported.

So when this company that Cohen set up paid off Daniels and McDougal for the purpose of the campaign that became a campaign contribution and needed to be reported to the FEC for it to remain legal. It wasn't reported.

Trump is on tape discussing paying off McDougal, and both Cohen and the National Enquirer editor are under oath saying that the purpose of the payment was to silence women to avoid hurting the campaign. Not only that but when Cohen was discussing the catch and kill agreement for these stories Trump was in the meeting with them.

Trump is bang to rights on felony campaign finance violations and you are completely wrong. As usual.

Listen to an expert and no he isn't linked to Trump or info wars
https://www.infowars.com/former-fec-com ... ance-laws/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

Listen to an expert and no he isn't linked to Trump or info wars
https://www.infowars.com/former-fec-com ... ance-laws/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If it wasn't a crime then Cohen wouldn't have pleaded guilty to it. The Heritage Foundation shill that Infowars is citing knows that just as well as anyone else.
Cohen had no incentive to plead guilty to something that isn't a crime, he has no cooperation agreement so he could just as easily not pleaded guilty to it. So why did he? Because he violated campaign finance laws and knew he was guilty.

There's a reason the Heritage Foundation shill you and Infowars are relying on for this hasn't been taken seriously anywhere except on places like Inforwars and the Daily Caller.

[Imploding Turtle]

Not only that, but the ******* judge, by accepting his plea after hearing the explanation of what it was he did and why it's a crime, accepted his plea. So even the judge accepted that he committed a crime.



But hey, if it's not a crime then what are you worried about? Trump can't be convicted of something if what he clearly did wasn't a crime. Right? So there's no reason to be so worried. And yet Trump clearly is bricking it. I wonder why.

[SmudgetheClaret]

Not only that, but the ******* judge, by accepting his plea after hearing the explanation of what it was he did and why it's a crime, accepted his plea. So even the judge accepted that he committed a crime.



But hey, if it's not a crime then what are you worried about? Trump can't be convicted of something if what he clearly did wasn't a crime. Right? So there's no reason to be so worried. And yet Trump clearly is bricking it. I wonder why.

Who's worried ? your hatred for him and fear of him is clouding your usually deluded view..

[SmudgetheClaret]

Maybe the guy in the vid is Q or maybe RUSSIAN wwooooooo..

[Imploding Turtle]

Who's worried ? your hatred for him and fear of him is clouding your usually deluded view..

It's not Trump i fear (aside from his ability to nuke London). It's his authoritarian and fascist supporters that I worry about.

[SmudgetheClaret]

It's not Trump i fear (aside from his ability to nuke London). It's his authoritarian and fascist supporters that I worry about.

I thought you didn't call people fascists? honestly save yourself the stress he isn't going anywhere if he was he'd be gone by now
look at his family and who he is linked to he's probably the best protected president in history..

[Imploding Turtle]

I thought you didn't call people fascists? honestly save yourself the stress he isn't going anywhere if he was he'd be gone by now
look at his family and who he is linked to he's probably the best protected president in history..

You thought wrong.

If he's so protected then why is he so worried? Why si it he wakes up every morning and the first thing on his mind is the Mueller investigation, which he often tweets about at 7am? He's scared shitless, and it's hilarious.

He's so corrupt that he can't even get a Chief of Staff. No one wants the job. Even corrupt former NJ governor doesn't want it. One of the most prestigious and influencial jobs in the world and neither Chris Cristie want it, not the 36-year old CoS to Mike Pence, who then resigned when he refused it (probably to avoid being fired for embarrassing the **** out of Trump by refusing)

[SmudgetheClaret]

You thought wrong.

If he's so protected then why is he so worried? Why si it he wakes up every morning and the first thing on his mind is the Mueller investigation, which he often tweets about at 7am? He's scared shitless, and it's hilarious.

He's so corrupt that he can't even get a Chief of Staff. No one wants the job. Even corrupt former NJ governor doesn't want it. One of the most prestigious and influencial jobs in the world and neither Chris Cristie want it, not the 36-year old CoS to Mike Pence, who then resigned when he refused it (probably to avoid being fired for embarrassing the **** out of Trump by refusing)

He's **** scared your off your head but only time will tell...

[SmudgetheClaret]

You have what Whoopis got "Trump derangement syndrome"

[SmudgetheClaret]

His approval rating has matched Obama at the same point in his presidency...get in

[Imploding Turtle]

His approval rating has matched Obama at the same point in his presidency...get in

Still not true. Trump's at 40% while Obama at this time was 46% (i looked at this yesterday)

Edit: evidence that you're full of ****.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/201617/gal ... roval.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://news.gallup.com/poll/113980/gal ... roval.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

Like the mob boss that he is, Trump's now using mob terminology in public to describe people who turned on him.



Maybe he wants someone inside to take care of Cohen when he reports to prison in March. Much like Mohammed Bone Saw took care of Khashoggi for him.