Klopp on Mee tackle

rishtonclaret · Post by **rishtonclaret** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:58 pm

Jurgen Klopp: File under double standards, contradictory and ar**hole

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:05 pm

Hi, Welcome to Up The Clarets, you must be new here.

rishtonclaret · Post by **rishtonclaret** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:06 pm

Nope. But I'm expecting the post to be removed anytime soon.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:22 pm

Hasn't Klippety Klopp been on the prick list for years ?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:24 pm

Klopp now been having a go at one of Bardsleys tackles today, apparently.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:27 pm

The Brighton fans no doubt reading this thread will be gutted it's refering to his foot moving the football away from Gomez's foot.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:47 pm

To be honest I like Klopp, although his opinion of the Mee challenge isn’t right but even Sean said that one of Bardsleys tackles probably deserved a yellow I assume from the montage I have seen it is the second one of the double tackle and i do think that he looks like he is over the ball.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:23 pm

linky link to the montage please

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:32 pm

It’s on Twitter not got a link to it sorry London’s long side I think did it

bfcmatt · Post by **bfcmatt** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:18 pm

bfcjg wrote:The Brighton fans no doubt reading this thread will be gutted it's refering to his foot moving the football away from Gomez's foot.

Just nearly spat my drink out when I read that.

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:25 pm

To be fair Klopp has a point. If that was brady being taken out we would not be happy. Them sort of tackles were ok in the 80s but we have moved on from those dark days. Stay on your feet is what the coaches need to be drumming into Mee, Bardsley & the likes

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:36 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:To be fair Klopp has a point. If that was brady being taken out we would not be happy. Them sort of tackles were ok in the 80s but we have moved on from those dark days. Stay on your feet is what the coaches need to be drumming into Mee, Bardsley & the likes

Absolute nonsense.

Following the tackle not a single Liverpool player remonstrated with the referee or attempted retribution on Mee. That is the acid test as to whether the tackle was dangerous.

In contrast the remonstrations that followed our goal were obvious

A legitimate tackle existed in the 80’s and they still exist now, fortunately.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:37 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:To be fair Klopp has a point. If that was brady being taken out we would not be happy. Them sort of tackles were ok in the 80s but we have moved on from those dark days. Stay on your feet is what the coaches need to be drumming into Mee, Bardsley & the likes

Complaining doesn't make it wrong.
when they've banned the tackle and the header what are we going to watch...keepy-uppy?

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Complaining doesn't make it wrong.
when they've banned the tackle and the header what are we going to watch...keepy-uppy?

I guess just good football but not in a dangerous way with people breaking/fracturing legs

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:00 pm

Complaining doesn't make it wrong.
when they've banned the tackle and the header what are we going to watch...keepy-uppy?

Rugby. Though there have been a fair few moves to clean-up/ lessen the dangers, there's still plenty of contact allowed in Union and League.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:06 pm

Giant Hypocritical Cheerleader.

I tweeted 2 videos and quotes earlier today - one on diving, one on tackling. He's the biggest gobshite in the league.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:06 pm

Great tackle from Ben Mee.

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:37 pm

IanMcL wrote:Great tackle from Ben Mee.

If it had been in the 80s yes. We, ie football has moved on.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 pm

Well done to the guys on The Debate tonight who assessed the tackle correctly and were in agreement that there was nothing wrong at all with the tackle and that it was unfotunate that Gomez suffered a bad injury.
Also, it was interesting that they were going down the line that physical contact is being removed from the game and that this would be a bad thing and that this is bad for the game.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:59 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:If it had been in the 80s yes. We, ie football has moved on.

Snowflakes rule --you are welcome to the non-contact game of football that will shortly be the norm. Thank goodness for non-league football which is still played and refereed as the game should be played.

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:03 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Snowflakes rule --you are welcome to the non-contact game of football that will shortly be the norm. Thank goodness for non-league football which is still played and refereed as the game should be played.

Ah the new (actually not so new) name of "snow flakes". The lad has a fractured leg. Time change, move with the times. 80's were great in their day however we are not in the 80's now. I'm totally with Klopp on this one.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:12 pm

He should have pulled out when he realised that Mee was winning the ball --he didn't and, unfortunately, he suffered a broken leg. I have moved with the times and do nor like the modern game because it is sterilised with players getting away with diving, feigning head injuries when the contact is with their chest, managers whinging on because players tackle, referees being tasked to decide that a tackle endangers an opponent etc., etc.
I played the game at semi professional level in the UK and Germany for a good number of years and then became an official and the modern game is going soft, however, as I said, it is what modern fans want to see and you are welcome to it.

Lew200100 · Post by **Lew200100** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:18 pm

Goodness me after watching the diving and conning of the referees in the premier league how the S***e can you back Klopp up . The game is riddled with cheats that fall over fresh air it's about time teams gave players a reason to fall over as the game as got boring unless you like watching overpaid players not playing honestly and giving 100% to the cause . I didn't renew my season ticket this year as I needed a break from the b**ll s**t modern day football that is plain and simply boring . I think you would be better of watching arsenal or man city and let us clarets get back to what we want 100% commitment win lose or draw I couldn't care less .

HollandsPies · Post by **HollandsPies** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:21 pm

All contact sports come with a risk of injury - you can't get away from it. Thankfully this one was a fracture and the lad will be ok. In my opinion, apart from combat sports, most sportsmen have a duty of care to one another.

Apart from say, Roy Keane

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:09 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:Ah the new (actually not so new) name of "snow flakes". The lad has a fractured leg. Time change, move with the times. 80's were great in their day however we are not in the 80's now. I'm totally with Klopp on this one.

It wasn’t even a tackle Mee beat Gomez to the ball and cleared it into touch. If Gomez hadn’t been injured it wouldn’t have even been mentioned again.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:02 am

I don't normally slag people off on this site but for this untinted glasses idiot I will make an exception. I'll assume he has seen the TV Footage yet still is unable to accept that Ben Mee made a perfectly acceptable clearance of the ball. It wasn't even a tackle. Yet we get morons trying to make out that somehow this was a throwback to the bad old days of yesteryear. Unbelievable Jeff!!!!

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:03 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:To be fair Klopp has a point. If that was brady being taken out we would not be happy. Them sort of tackles were ok in the 80s but we have moved on from those dark days. Stay on your feet is what the coaches need to be drumming into Mee, Bardsley & the likes

OK - let’s assume it was Brady who was running down the wing, and James Milner in the Ben Mee role. What happens next???

The game hasn’t changed that much.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:35 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:If it had been in the 80s yes. We, ie football has moved on.

Yes. Football has moved on. But that was a fair challenge in the 80s, and will be tomorrow. That was art from Ben Mee

You are so far wrong I can only assume:
1) you are joking
2) you haven’t actually seen it
3) you are a scouser
4) you are German and called Jurgen
5) your username should read “lostmy glasses”

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:37 am

scouseclaret wrote:OK - let’s assume it was Brady who was running down the wing, and James Milner in the Ben Mee role. What happens next???

The game hasn’t changed that much.

It actually has

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:52 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:Ah the new (actually not so new) name of "snow flakes". The lad has a fractured leg. Time change, move with the times. 80's were great in their day however we are not in the 80's now. I'm totally with Klopp on this one.

What, as in you haven't seen it?

Two players running for a ball, one gets there first and puts it out of play with a clean strike but the momentum of both players means they collide.

Ben Mee did not tackle Joe Gomez!

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:55 am

scouseclaret wrote:OK - let’s assume it was Brady who was running down the wing, and James Milner in the Ben Mee role. What happens next???

The game hasn’t changed that much.

Same circumstances, same point of view from me. It wasn't malicious and wasn't intentional.

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:55 am

JohnMac wrote:What, as in you haven't seen it?

Two players running for a ball, one gets there first and puts it out of play with a clean strike but the momentum of both players means they collide.

Ben Mee did not tackle Joe Gomez!

Momentum is a dangerous thing in certain circumstances. I believe this was one of those circumstances, the fractured leg actually backs that up factually.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:04 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:Momentum is a dangerous thing in certain circumstances. I believe this was one of those circumstances, the fractured leg actually backs that up factually.

If Joe Gomez had got to the ball first his angle meant he was probably heading into the barriers. He was committed to getting to the ball as was Ben Mee, you can't take that out of the game.

If there was intent to cause harm then it's a different thing altogether but there wasn't, it's two professionals plying their trade with 100% commitment.

It was unfortunate Joe suffered the injury, he is a top player as he showed.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:08 am

I think most peoples view is backed up by former professional footballers reviewing it and deciding it was accidental.

The only people trying to make more of it are those paid to promote debate, such as Adrian Durham and co.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:10 am

Don't feed the contrary trolls.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:12 am

Untinted Glasses is the new username for Devil’s Advocate, isn’t it?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:20 am

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I have cracked it, this will resolve everything once and for all. Offside, Diving, Cheating ...

Mind you two have been sent off, must have been for dissent

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:35 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:It actually has

So are you saying Milner wouldn’t have made that tackle?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am

Untinted glasses is a troll.

(s)he/it[*] needs to note that if Gomez was digitally remove from the footage you would watch Ben Mee make a fantastic clearance. (s)he/it[*] also needs to note that it is Gomez who was out of control and responsible for his own momentum that carried himself towards the advertising hoardings. (s)he/it[*] should also note that there was in fact minimal contact between Ben Mee and Gomez.

[*] in reference to me not assuming (s)he/it’s gender so as I don’t cause any offence to the f#ckwit directly.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:04 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:Ah the new (actually not so new) name of "snow flakes". The lad has a fractured leg. Time change, move with the times. 80's were great in their day however we are not in the 80's now. I'm totally with Klopp on this one.

Change your name to "Shouldagonetospecsavers" Ben Mee's Tackle was immense...
The woman sat in front of us was only saying afterwards how much she admired Ben Mee's Immense Tackle.....

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:44 am

scouseclaret wrote:So are you saying Milner wouldn’t have made that tackle?

Correct. In the 80s I would but now I wouldn't. The game has changed. Sliding from 6 yards out of control is not really where we want the game to be going back to. This is why I am simply saying I agree with Klopp.

I agree he did take the ball but its the sliding and being out of control that is no longer acceptable. The game is changing, like it or not it is.

The money invested in the players will dictate this. In 2 or 3 seasons time a tackle the same as that will be a straight red. No question about that.

I understand all of your points but your not understanding mine. The game has changed

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:45 am

6 week out, hardly a serious break is it? He'd be out longer with a ligament injury.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:46 am

Untinted Glasses wrote:Correct. In the 80s I would but now I wouldn't. The game has changed. Sliding from 6 yards out of control is not really where we want the game to be going back to. This is why I am simply saying I agree with Klopp.

I agree he did take the ball but its the sliding and being out of control that is no longer acceptable. The game is changing, like it or not it is.

The money invested in the players will dictate this. In 2 or 3 seasons time a tackle the same as that will be a straight red. No question about that.

I understand all of your points but your not understanding mine. The game has changed

Might as well watch women's football then.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:If it had been in the 80s yes. We, ie football has moved on.

No. That was a normal, simple clearance of the ball.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:56 pm

What a load of rubbish this is.
What Klopp has said is embarrassing - there are very few (if any) managers, players, pundits etc who are agreeing with him...and their is a reason for that.
The likes of Klopp, Wenger, Pep and Mourinho are such hypocrites in situations where something goes against their teams - they come out with their fake outrage simply to try and influence officials when it is very easy to find lots of examples of their own teams and players doing exactly the same thing. Pep has come out with this type of stuff before when he has a player like Fernandinho who has been sent off a number of times and loves a tackle (and is very good at it usually).

As for the injury itself - all this about a broken leg is a bit exaggerated to say the least. The report is he will he out for up to 6 weeks...that’s less than many hamstring injuries or a broken toe. It could have happened to anyone on the pitch....is he seriously saying that Henderson and Milner were not sliding in with tackles on Tuesday night ?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:35 pm

Allisson just jumped for the ball leading with his knee into Josh King. Looked pretty dangerous to me but I bet Klopp doesn't mention it.

willy wanka · Post by **willy wanka** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:40 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:Correct. In the 80s I would but now I wouldn't. The game has changed. Sliding from 6 yards out of control is not really where we want the game to be going back to. This is why I am simply saying I agree with Klopp.

I agree he did take the ball but its the sliding and being out of control that is no longer acceptable. The game is changing, like it or not it is.

The money invested in the players will dictate this. In 2 or 3 seasons time a tackle the same as that will be a straight red. No question about that.

I understand all of your points but your not understanding mine. The game has changed

So how else could the tacke have been made, or should he have just left it and let the lad cross and Liverpool possibly score ...

Utter twaddle you write, you Sir are a buffoon !

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:40 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Allisson just jumped for the ball leading with his knee into Josh King. Looked pretty dangerous to me but I bet Klopp doesn't mention it.

Bet he doesn't mention the 'offside goal' Salah scored in the 1st half either.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:51 pm

So, we’re all agreed that Klopp is on the pr1ck list...?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:57 pm

here is what they had to say on football focus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46494645" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;