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Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Spiral » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:46 pm

Not completely surprising, but an investigation by the Guardian has found that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka 'Tommy Robinson' has received a substantial amount of money from foreigners to create division over the topic of foreigners.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... _clipboard" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The investigation has established that:

A Philadelphia-based thinktank, the Middle East Forum (MEF), acknowledges it has spent about $60,000 (£47,000) on Robinson’s legal fees and demonstrations staged in London earlier this year. A senior MEF executive has been closely involved in preparations for this weekend’s march, though the thinktank said she was there in a personal capacity.

A US tech billionaire, Robert Shillman, financed a fellowship that helped pay for Robinson to be employed in 2017 by a rightwing Canadian media website, the Rebel Media, on a salary of about £5,000 a month.

A small Australian rightwing group, Australian Liberty Alliance, says it has helped fund Robinson, but did not disclose how much.

A New York City-based thinktank, the Gatestone Institute, has published a succession of articles supporting Robinson’s cause.

The David Horowitz Freedom Center (DHFC), a California-based thinktank that describes itself as a “school for political warfare”, has published a series of pieces defending Robinson, and has lobbied for him to address US politicians.
Robert Mercer's name popping up again won't be surprising to anyone who followed the Cambridge Analytica story about a year ago.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:51 pm

So there you have it. If you want to get rich don't study and then work hard just be (or at least pretend to be) a racist scumbag.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:53 pm

The Moffiteers will feel cheated by this.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Spiral » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:58 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:So there you have it. If you want to get rich don't study and then work hard just be (or at least pretend to be) a racist scumbag.
True, but I think the more important take away from the story is how foreigners, and mostly right-wing techno-libertarian types, are spending vast sums of money attempting to reshape the world in a quite ugly image that goes against our held democratic values as a country. Lest we forget that fascists were the enemy in our grandparents' youth. Those bastards had eyes on conquering Britain.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:05 pm

Tommy Robinson is just being used ...

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Spiral » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:15 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Tommy Robinson is just being used ...
Yes, by wealthy people with an authoritarian and fascistic streak to their politics. That doesn't exonerate him, however, and the fact that Robinson is being used to astroturf such a worldview doesn't change the emphasis on the story, which is our society being manipulated by non-British money and propaganda with the intent on creating division.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:39 am

Spiral wrote:Not completely surprising, but an investigation by the Guardian has found that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka 'Tommy Robinson' has received a substantial amount of money from foreigners to create division over the topic of foreigners.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... _clipboard" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Robert Mercer's name popping up again won't be surprising to anyone who followed the Cambridge Analytica story about a year ago.
Milo Yiannopolous is heavily indebted to Mercer too.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:40 am

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Tommy Robinson is just being used ...
As are you.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:20 am

Not a surprise, the same people who will be funding Breitbart, Infowars etc.
Divide and conquer
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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Spiral » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:42 pm

Some utter throbbers at the Robinson-led brexit betrayal march today including a "Jo Cox false flag" sign and a man holding a noose.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:59 pm

Spiral wrote:Some utter throbbers at the Robinson-led brexit betrayal march today including a "Jo Cox false flag" sign and a man holding a noose.
It's strange how Tommy Robinson has become the poster boy for brexit,he will do more harm than good to the leave campaign.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:05 pm

I stopped reading at 'the guardian'
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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:09 pm

Posters on here worship the ground he walks on.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:14 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:I stopped reading at 'the guardian'
Even though the Guardian is literally one of the most reliable sources of news in the UK.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Spiral » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:22 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:I stopped reading at 'the guardian'
Yeah, can sympathise. Wouldn't want to ruin a perfectly nice day (or a neatly compartmentalised conception of the world, for that matter) by confronting the barefaced reality of the world we lie in.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by claretandy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:59 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Even though the Guardian is literally one of the most reliable sources of news in the UK.
Except when Carole Codswallop is writing her hair brained conspiracy theories, how many correction were issued after the last one ?

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pm

You mean the ones where she won like, a ton of awards for?

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:08 pm

claretandy wrote:Except when Carole Codswallop is writing her hair brained conspiracy theories, how many correction were issued after the last one ?
What conspiracy theories? Share some.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by AndrewJB » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:37 pm

How many did Robinson get out for the cause today? Compared to what number in Momentum’s counter demonstration?

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:07 pm

Several thousand at the Robinson demo,don't know about Momentum's numbers,both were dwarfed by the people's vote march though.

Tommy is great at self-promotion,but brings no alternatives to the current impasse,except leaving with no deal,which even Boris Johnson accepts isn't practical.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by AndrewJB » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:12 pm

Fifteen thousand at the Momentum rally, according to various tweets. And about three thousand Robinson supporters.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by claretandy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What conspiracy theories? Share some.
Russia, Brexit, 55 Tufton St, Google is your friend.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by claretandy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You mean the ones where she won like, a ton of awards for?
No, the one's where she has to issue corrections and retractions.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Socrates » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:39 pm

Yaxley-Robinson tried to do a ceremonial signing up to UKIP in front of the crowd today.

His bank details were declined then his phone on his battery died.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Socrates » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:40 pm

Apologies.

Should have used quotation marks round the word “crowd” there.
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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:55 pm

Oh I see, so not the ones she won loads and loads of awards for then.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Spiral » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:58 pm

Socrates wrote:Yaxley-Robinson tried to do a ceremonial signing up to UKIP in front of the crowd today.

His bank details were declined then his phone on his battery died.
Please let this be true. Is this true? (I suppose if I believe it enough then it must be, such is the time in which we live.)
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Post by SussexDon1inIreland » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:05 pm

Meanwhile George Soros is funding the globalists and their dream of multiculturalism

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Spiral » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:07 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:Meanwhile George Soros is funding the globalists and their dream of multiculturalism
Here, you can borrow a few of my parentheses, I'm not using them. ((( )))

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:03 am

claretandy wrote:Russia, Brexit, 55 Tufton St, Google is your friend.
You think those are just conspiracy theories that we shouldn't take seriously and i'd like you to explain why. I can't learn your point of view from google.

So please explain your argument against her.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:Meanwhile George Soros is funding the globalists and their dream of multiculturalism

You gotta love how someone funding the idea of inclusiveness and togetherness is seen as the equal and opposite of someone funding division and hatred.

And we don't dream of multiculturalism, we're living it, and it's way better than the alternatives. The sooner you people learn to accept multiculturalism the sooner you'll find that you can assimilate into the countries you hate but pretend to love.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:07 am

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:Meanwhile George Soros is funding the globalists and their dream of multiculturalism
Shhhhh.

Some people cannot handle the truth.......

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:08 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You gotta love how someone funding the idea of inclusiveness and togetherness is seen as the equal and opposite of someone funding division and hatred.

And we don't dream of multiculturalism, we're living it, and it's way better than the alternatives. The sooner you people learn to accept multiculturalism the sooner you'll find that you can assimilate into the countries you hate but pretend to love.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by AndrewJB » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:11 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Shhhhh.

Some people cannot handle the truth.......
I live in a multicultural area. I see the truth. And I think you won’t like it. Sorry to say this, but multiculturalism is quite nice.
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Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:18 am

AndrewJB wrote:I live in a multicultural area. I see the truth. And I think you won’t like it. Sorry to say this, but multiculturalism is quite nice.
Me too. It's great living in a multicultural country. Can you imagine how awful it would be to live in a monocultural country, like Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan?
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Post by AndrewJB » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:39 am

The best thing about multiculturalism when you’re British and living in the U.K. is you don’t have to change any part of your life. Bacon can remain a staple of your diet no matter how many Jewish or Muslim people move in next door. If you want to start the day with a few beers and a bet or two, even in my 60% or more Muslim neighbourhood you’d have no end of retail choices. You can live a 1950s life in the U.K. going to church, listening to Bing Crosby, eating over cooked meat and root vegetables, and wearing whatever you like, all while keeping up to date with your kids who have moved to Spain, or Australia on your rotary dial telephone. Multiculturalism does not stop you from living a wholesome British life as God intended.

And for the rest of us, we might quite enjoy the other benefits.
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Post by ClaretMoffitt » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:16 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Me too. It's great living in a multicultural country. Can you imagine how awful it would be to live in a monocultural country, like Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan?
What's wrong with Saudi Arabia or Pakistan? Bit racist to suggest there is something wrong with these countries.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:20 am

Bit stupid to use that argument don't you think?

its not racist to mention that those two countries are basket cases is it?

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Post by ten bellies » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:41 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:As are you.
As are you.........

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:54 pm

ten bellies wrote:As are you.........

Perhaps. But at least my opinions are my own. And if i found out that a foreign hostile power was pushing the agenda i like i'd speak out against them AND i'd re-evaluate whether what i want is what is best.

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Post by ten bellies » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Perhaps. But at least my opinions are my own. And if i found out that a foreign hostile power was pushing the agenda i like i'd speak out against them AND i'd re-evaluate whether what i want is what is best.
Why would you speak out against someone who agrees with your point of view? I agree re evaluating when new evidence comes to light which may affect your view point is a sensible thing to do. But just because someone you find distasteful agrees with you is no reason to change your opinion.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:58 pm

ten bellies wrote:Why would you speak out against someone who agrees with your point of view?
Speak out against the foreign hostile power trying to influence me, and ******* around with our democracy.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Stayingup » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:06 am

Spiral wrote:True, but I think the more important take away from the story is how foreigners, and mostly right-wing techno-libertarian types, are spending vast sums of money attempting to reshape the world in a quite ugly image that goes against our held democratic values as a country. Lest we forget that fascists were the enemy in our grandparents' youth. Those bastards had eyes on conquering Britain.
It's quite ironic mentioning our democratic values as a country given today's scenario with its constitutional crisis - which is for real. MP's v the electorate.

Mentioning facists its puzzling that the ones you refer to were called National Socialists and were in bed with communists at one point before one attacked the other. In fact Stalin and Hitler were two sides of the same coin. Both utter b@stards.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:09 am

Yeah, how can anyone with "Socialist" in the title be fascists?

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Post by Guich » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:10 am

AndrewJB wrote:How many did Robinson get out for the cause today? Compared to what number in Momentum’s counter demonstration?
Robinson and Momentum...two sides of a very unpleasant coin :?

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:06 pm

Stayingup wrote:It's quite ironic mentioning our democratic values as a country given today's scenario with its constitutional crisis - which is for real. MP's v the electorate.

Mentioning facists its puzzling that the ones you refer to were called National Socialists and were in bed with communists at one point before one attacked the other. In fact Stalin and Hitler were two sides of the same coin. Both utter b@stards.

It's amazing that we still have to explain to some people that just because a name contains a word doesn't mean the subject of that name is the definition of that word. You have to be a special kind of stupid to think that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic.

On top of that, there was actually a Social Democratic Party in Germany that opposed the Nazis. Guess what Nazis did to them.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:19 pm

Guich wrote:Robinson and Momentum...two sides of a very unpleasant coin :?
One is a convicted fraudster going by a pseudonym, who tells blatant lies (said they had twenty thousand on their march last Sunday), and who has developed a persecution complex to position himself as some kind of knight fighting for the existence of western civilization. The other is just a broadly based socialist activist movement. I don't really see where you'd draw a comparison.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:34 pm

AndrewJB wrote:One is a convicted fraudster going by a pseudonym, who tells blatant lies (said they had twenty thousand on their march last Sunday), and who has developed a persecution complex to position himself as some kind of knight fighting for the existence of western civilization. The other is just a broadly based socialist activist movement. I don't really see where you'd draw a comparison.

2 cheeks of the same arsehole is probably closer to the truth

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:57 pm

It's a lazy comparison. On the one hand you have a group that, regardless of your opinion of their politics, are front and centre in terms of transparency, and not calling for the violent overthrow of the established order, or demonizing anyone.

https://peoplesmomentum.com/about/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the other hand, what are Tommy Robinson's aims? What are the aims of the Democratic Football Lads Alliance? Wikipedia describes the EDL as having: "...no specific policies, goals, or manifesto, and no intellectual vanguard leading it..."

No comparison.

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Re: Tommy Robinson, populism & foreign financing

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:58 pm

AndrewJB wrote:It's a lazy comparison.
...
Most "both sides" arguments are.

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