Westwood
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:01 pm
Hes a tidy tidy footballer and we play better when he plays. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.
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There in lies out problem. OK as a back up and won’t let you down. Too limited though.JimMcDonald wrote:Hes a tidy tidy footballer and we play better when he plays. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.
Compared to who?DCWat wrote:There in lies out problem. OK as a back up and won’t let you down. Too limited though.
See what you meansummitclaret wrote:If you dont know then maybe try uorefd
JimMcDonald wrote:Hes a tidy tidy footballer and we play better when he plays. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.
Not dreadful IMO, just not very good today. He's ok in a 3 if he's the ratger. However in a 2, when we don't create much, he looks very ineffective offensively.MDWat wrote:Dreadful today
Or there is Hendrick, who we payed 10 million for, Irish, played well this season when he’s had the chance, often played out of position, but is actually a premier league standard player who we should be utilising in centre mid, where he can have a real effect... Hendrick and defour I think would combine brilliantly in centre mid but we’ve never seen them before.Rileybobs wrote:Not his best day today but he was excellent against Liverpool. Between him and Cork we are short of physicality and drive in the midfield though and we really need to address this in January.
He was not awfully yesterday.Top Claret wrote:Ffs I have it all now. Westwood is never ever a Premier league player and is consistently shite.
He was awful yesterday and as always contributes little
Pretty staggered by this comment. I thought he had a decent game - perhaps not his tidiest game in possession (although his pass completion rate was 84% from 44 passes, compared to Cork's 55% from 27), but the conditions didn't help with that. He was regularly involved and produced a super cross for the goal. Dreadful, then, seems a massive overstatement.MDWat wrote:Dreadful today
The thread title says Westwood not Westwoid Yesterday ! Although I would say along with Cork he was virtually non existent in the last fifteen minutes when we needed to get away from the edge of our box. We haven’t got a midfielder in the squad who can drag us up the pitch when we are under pressure and I maintain if we just stick with the four we have we will make it harder for ourselves to survive.claretspice wrote:For which period of the game did he disappear yesterday? I thought he was involved throughout.
Oh yes he wasShore claret wrote:He was not awfully yesterday.
I'll play, in the spirit of the season.Top Claret wrote:Oh yes he was
Hmmmm. I'm not sure it is fair to blame either midfielder for the last 15 minutes yesterday, or to expect a midfielder to get you up the pitch in that way to relieve pressure. We came under pressure yesterday for a heap of reasons - the first being that whenever you are defending a one-goal lead, the opposition are inevitably (and rightly) going to throw bodies forwards to try and get a goal. Brighton did that. The second is that at one stage we had at least 3 people on the pitch - JBG, Brady, Barnes, struggling with injury. The third reason is that confidence is low and that inevitably makes a team sit on what they have and invite pressure later on. The final reason is that we stopped holding the ball as well up front (possibly because Barnes was struggling with a knock) and so we lacked an outlet - I'd always say that its the job of the front player(s) to provide an outlet to relieve pressure - the midfielders can only assist in doing that if they have that outlet.RocketLawnChair wrote:The thread title says Westwood not Westwoid Yesterday ! Although I would say along with Cork he was virtually non existent in the last fifteen minutes when we needed to get away from the edge of our box. We haven’t got a midfielder in the squad who can drag us up the pitch when we are under pressure and I maintain if we just stick with the four we have we will make it harder for ourselves to survive.
Instead of looking through some stat site form your own opinions. Did you actually go to the game or do you just right an essay on stats?claretspice wrote:Pretty staggered by this comment. I thought he had a decent game - perhaps not his tidiest game in possession (although his pass completion rate was 84% from 44 passes, compared to Cork's 55% from 27), but the conditions didn't help with that. He was regularly involved and produced a super cross for the goal. Dreadful, then, seems a massive overstatement.
Westwood is never going to be a world beater and in truth he's a lower end Premier League player who is only ever going to make a top-flight career in a team like ours. But he's a solid, reliable performer and I reckon he's actually been one of our better players this season. He doesn't particularly do eye-catching, and he probably plays a bit safe at times, but he does the basics and unshowy stuff well and I think he's another who adds a bit of leadership on the pitch. I said after the Liverpool game that I thought he was going to be one of our key players in the second half of the season, and I stand by that.
At the minute, on form, I think he's the first name on the team sheet in midfield. I thought Cork had a better game yesterday, but his stats are still pretty ordinary and he's well below his best, and Defour and Westwod isn't really a partnership (they're too similar, and apart from anything else neither compete well enough in the air), so Hendrick for Cork would be a very tempting change. Whenever they've played together in the past, they've had a nice, instinctive understanding and gelled together.
I do form my own opinions, thanks. I was at the game, had an excellent view and watched the game closely. Handily, when I had a quick look at the stats, they happened to back up the opinion that I'd already formed, which is why I used them to support my case. If you disagree, then that's absolutely fine, although I'm not sure that makes me a half-wit.Top Claret wrote:Instead of looking through some stat site form your own opinions. Did you actually go to the game or do you just right an essay on stats?
Nearly everyone bar a few half wits are of the same opinion, that Westwood was crap yesterday
I'm not sure you are in a position to call others half wits with some of your illegible ramblings.Top Claret wrote:Instead of looking through some stat site form your own opinions. Did you actually go to the game or do you just right an essay on stats?
Nearly everyone bar a few half wits are of the same opinion, that Westwood was crap yesterday
And so say all of usRileybobs wrote:I'm not sure you are in a position to call others half wits with some of your illegible ramblings.
OK, fine. I can see that, if you are seriously suggesting that Dyche lets his "stat man" (whoever he may be) pick the side, then trying to have a sensible discussion about this with you is going to be pretty futile, so I'll give up.Top Claret wrote:Maybe that is Dyches problem and the reason why we are in the bottom 5. Dyche wants to look whats in front of him instead have letting his stat man pick the side.
We have zero drive from the mid 2, this has got to addressed if we are to stop up this season
I agree with that statement about midfield two, we desperately need two gritty ball winners like torreira at arsenal , he was an excellent buy. Brady would have free licence to roam then.Top Claret wrote:Maybe that is Dyches problem and the reason why we are in the bottom 5. Dyche wants to look whats in front of him instead have letting his stat man pick the side.
We have zero drive from the mid 2, this has got to addressed if we are to stop up this season
Seem to remember most villa fans were chuffed when allbrighton left.joey13 wrote:He is exactly as my Aston Villa mate said he was , for which I got slated for on here
What has that got to do with Westwood?Shore claret wrote:Seem to remember most villa fans were chuffed when allbrighton left.
It is also futile to have sensible discussion with somebody who talks down to you. But I will bow to your superior football knowledge. Hmmmmmmm Where would we be without Ashley Westwood.claretspice wrote:OK, fine. I can see that, if you are seriously suggesting that Dyche lets his "stat man" (whoever he may be) pick the side, then trying to have a sensible discussion about this with you is going to be pretty futile, so I'll give up.
In my “humble opinion” I don’t have any ‘facts’ and I don’t know anything ‘obviously’I just think things are easier in football if you can control the middle of the pitch. Cork and Westwood virtually disappeared in my unfactual opinionclaretspice wrote:I don't claim any superior knowledge, and I'm not talking down to anyone. I'm just pointing out it is pretty harsh to blame either central midfielder for the fact we weren't able to get up the pitch in the final 15 minutes yesterday, when that was quite obviously a collective issue. If you disagree, fair enough, but I'd be interested to know why.
You’ve met my mate thenShore claret wrote:Villa fans aren't great at spotting a good player.
I've watched all the home games closely, 3 away games on TV and Cork has been pretty dismal at breaking play up and passing in general. Didn't aggi put some stats up the other week? If Hendrick isn't to be used then at least 1 new centre midfielder is required ASAP.MDWat wrote:If Westwood is the first name on the team sheet, then I'm afraid we're in real trouble. It's very easy to take his 84% passing ratio and to state he had a good game. Does it breakdown how many of them are particularly easy passes backwards to the defence in comparison to forward passes? I'd be very interested to read those stats. He gave the ball away an awful lot when going forwards. He does the same job as Cork but Cork does it more effectively, regardless of these passing stats. Cork breaks up play better and tries to pass forward.
He's extremely limited, offers next to nothing going forward and if we want to really solidify ourselves as a Premier League club, then I'm afraid we need better than him.
And yes I attended, yes I watched the game closely and yes I had a great view.