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Wood or Gray

Post by Down_Rover » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:25 pm

Why?

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:26 pm

They are both constantly offside.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by LoveCurryPies » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:26 pm

Wood. Going through a lean spell but that will end.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:28 pm

If the task involved a bag of cement and trapping it, neither.
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Right_winger » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:29 pm

No question Gray. By some distance

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by dougcollins » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:30 pm

Let me think. One is the guy who scores goals, and the other one is Wood?
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:31 pm

To be fair Gray has scored less goals for Watford than Wood has for us. Gray, however, has banged in loads more than Chris Wood in his career, and is the same age.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:32 pm

I think we could easily sell Wood in January, probably to Cardiff.

Then we can buy another striker, and most likely turn him from a good footballer into a non-footballer. Rinse and repeat.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Bosscat » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:33 pm

Wood ....

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by taio » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:33 pm

Gray...just.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:36 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I think we could easily sell Wood in January, probably to Cardiff.

Then we can buy another striker, and most likely turn him from a good footballer into a non-footballer. Rinse and repeat.
And which strikers have we turned from a good footballer into a non-footballer out of interest?

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:36 pm

When we sold Gray I expected us to go a striker rather than another centre-forward.
We already had two big CFs in Barnes and Vokes, we needed another option up front, one with pace and control who is happy with the ball at his feet.
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:37 pm

Rileybobs wrote:And which strikers have we turned from a good footballer into a non-footballer out of interest?
The two strikers that can be found in the subject of this thread.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:38 pm

ksrclaret wrote:The two strikers that can be found in the subject of this thread.
Mmm. Is this the same Gray who became the top scorer in the Championship after joining us?

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by EarbyClaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:38 pm

Pace - even for a player of limited technical ability (Gray, no disrespect) always a threat. From a CB perspective you can't turn-off for a second otherwise you are out of the game. Wood, technically better and a more assured finisher but easier to manage/contain. At the highest level an easier threat to nullify. Did better last season when we played to his strengths but not a player who can pose and individual threat, however limited, in the same way as Gray.

Both lower-end PL/top-end Championship. If we survive this season and are serious about sticking around we need better.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by taio » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:39 pm

ksrclaret wrote:The two strikers that can be found in the subject of this thread.
To be fair that's complete bullshite

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:43 pm

Chicken Pox or Measles?
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:45 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Mmm. Is this the same Gray who became the top scorer in the Championship after joining us?
Yes, that's the one. Do you know him as well?

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:45 pm

Worth bearing in mind, before completely turning on one of our players, that Wood scored 10 goals in 24 Premier League appearances last season, which I expect is the best strike rate of any Burnley player in the top flight for a long time. He's bang out of form, but stop being fickle children and get behind him.
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:49 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Yes, that's the one. Do you know him as well?
So explain how exactly buying a player who then becomes the Championship's top scorer is making him a 'non-footballer' (whatever that means). Is it possible that Gray's rapid rise through the divisions could have culminated with him playing slightly above his level?

Edit - and seeing as Wood's return last season as posted in my previous post also disproves your point would you care to list any other good strikers who we have bought and turned into 'non footballers'?
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Down_Rover » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:51 pm

When Gray first arrived I thought he was the bees knees. When he left I was delighted.

When Wood first arrived I thought he was the bees knees and never thought I would ask this question

Seems like most agree with me

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Jel » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:51 pm

I never thought I would prefer any striker to Gray but Wood is crap, constantly offside and IMO lazy.
Today several times in the first half he ran (slowly) towards Ryan when in possession, and pulled up about 3 yards off him. What a waste of energy! He's really not good enough for the Premier league.
Having said all that I still think Gray is poor, just better than Wood though
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by tim_noone » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:54 pm

Just think of what £15 million would buy you.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 pm

tim_noone wrote:Just think of what £15 million would buy you.
In terms of top PL strikers...not a lot, Tim.
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by gc14 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:00 pm

One of Wood's biggest critics but the lad is trying his hardest, possibly too hard at times and that's why things
go pear shaped occasionally ... He is wearing a Claret shirt let's get behind him and see what a bit of confidence
can do to a striker ....

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:00 pm

Rileybobs wrote:So explain how exactly buying a player who then becomes the Championship's top scorer is making him a 'non-footballer' (whatever that means). Is it possible that Gray's rapid rise through the divisions could have culminated with him playing slightly above his level?

Edit - and seeing as Wood's return last season as posted in my previous post also disproves your point would you care to list any other good strikers who we have bought and turned into 'non footballers'?
Watching Gray play football for us was painful. Bad first touch after bad first touch, balls bouncing off him and flying off into the stands. Granted he was a good goal scorer when in put in the right position, but bloody hell he was rubbish everywhere else.

Wood is heading the same way, some of his touches and passes today were just not befitting of a professional footballer. Heavy, laboured, and no technique. Is it a coincidence that these two have both gone the same way after looking good at their previous clubs? I don't believe so.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Watching Gray play football for us was painful. Bad first touch after bad first touch, balls bouncing off him and flying off into the stands. Granted he was a good goal scorer when in put in the right position, but bloody hell he was rubbish everywhere else.

Wood is heading the same way, some of his touches and passes today were just not befitting of a professional footballer. Heavy, laboured, and no technique. Is it a coincidence that these two have both gone the same way after looking good at their previous clubs? I don't believe so.
It's not a coincidence, it's because their previous clubs play at a lower level.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It's not a coincidence, it's because their previous clubs play at a lower level.
Gray was rubbish at the above in the Championship, also.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by EarbyClaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:14 pm

Am I missing the point or is there some serious revisionism going on here?

Gray was phenomenal for us at Championship level and had been previously for Brentford - a club of much more limited means than us. I know one of his coaches from his days at Hinckley who described him as 'raw' even at that level. However he also said he's never worked with a player who had such a relentless desire to succeed or belief in his own ability.

His first PL season for us shows that can take you a long way.

It seems there's a tendency to talk down all of our strikers but what some people seem to conveniently forget is that for the most part they feed off scraps. We create very little for them. It's not like being Andrew Cole at Manchester United where you can be one of the most prolific strikers in the league despite a goal to chance conversion rate of 1/6
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:15 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Gray was rubbish at the above in the Championship, also.
So we didn’t turn him into a ‘non-footballer’ then?

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:16 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:It seems there's a tendency to talk down all of our strikers but what some people seem to conveniently forget is that for the most part they feed off scraps. We create very little for them.
I agree, I am guilty of talking them down, but the real problem is what you've highlighted above.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Ric_C » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:17 pm

Gray, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level

Wood, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:18 pm

Rileybobs wrote:So we didn’t turn him into a ‘non-footballer’ then?
I'm afraid we did. Or rather, our style of play did, as he had no opportunity to practice.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:20 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I'm afraid we did. Or rather, our style of play did, as he had no opportunity to practice.
What a load of toss. We signed 2 strikers who were playing at Championship level and they aren’t as prolific at Premier League level, big shock.
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by tiger76 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:25 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Mmm. Is this the same Gray who became the top scorer in the Championship after joining us?
Also the same Gray who we flogged to Watford for 18 million.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:26 pm

Rileybobs wrote:What a load of toss. We signed 2 strikers who were playing at Championship level and they aren’t as prolific at Premier League level, big shock.
Good point. Oh hang on, I wasn't talking about how prolific they are. Doh.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:30 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Good point. Oh hang on, I wasn't talking about how prolific they are. Doh.
Stop digging and just admit that you were chatting ******** when you intimated that we sign good strikers and turn them into bad ones.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:33 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I'm afraid we did. Or rather, our style of play did, as he had no opportunity to practice.
You should have given up long before you had to resort to something as silly as that.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:33 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Stop digging and just admit that you were chatting ******** when you intimated that we sign good strikers and turn them into bad ones.
Watch your blood pressure Riley, it's only a game.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:45 pm

Different players, different people.
Wood lacks confidence, Gray was arrogant, not in a nasty way.
Gray is a hare, Wood is a tortoise.
They shouldn't be compared in reality.

Wood is a good player, he's just having a hard time recently. Most of the stick he gets is due to the fact SD keeps picking him to start. If we didn't have other options on the bench you could understand it, but we do. If your food tastes bad, you blame the chef not the food.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 am

Vokes every time ...
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:14 am

Wood needs to watch his old goal videos, some tidy finishing - his confidence is obviously shot to ****

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Rowls » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:18 am

boatshed bill wrote:Chicken Pox or Measles?
Chicken pox is fairly harmless and plenty of research suggests it may even be a beneficial infection to contract in terms of developing a healthy and immune system.

Measles is very dangerous and often results in severe complications.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by atlantalad » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:37 am

Ric_C wrote:Gray, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level

Wood, excellent in the championship, very average at PL level
Don't we have a form for this re: Vydra ( and poss Bamford?).
It's unlikely we will attract any other half decent championship striker, CF.

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by WestMidsClaret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:41 am

We have a better player then both who's sitting on our bench probably scratching his head.

Sam Vokes.
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Spijed » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:21 am

Why are people writing off Wood when he was brilliant for us last season?

11 goals in 26 matches was fantastic.

Gray got 5 in 33.

Seems the vast majority on this thread haven't got a clue when it comes to the difficulty in buying a striker who can score 10 goals or more in the Prem.

Virtually impossible unless you play for a top six club. Last season only Vardy , Wood and Murray did that.
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:34 am

taio wrote:To be fair that's complete bullshite
To be fair it’s ksrclaret it’s what he does, we won yesterday therefore he has to target something else with his stupidity
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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by Sheedyclaret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:49 am

Wood was poor yesterday such a lazy player

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:06 am

Gray by a mile . He wasn’t scared of putting a shift in and he was often left with the merest If scraps to feed off. He was a good finisher too and was quicker than Wood . As for Wood I really want to like the guy but he walks in the shadows of giants like Juke Vossen, Hennings and “ Marvellous “ Marvin Sordell IMO

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Re: Wood or Gray

Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:10 am

I would add though that last yr he had a v good ratio so it’s not that he can’t finish . I genuinely thought Vydra had been bought to play with him ? As he needs balls on the ground and down the middle I’d say .

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