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Phil Foden

Post by gtclaret » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:31 pm

Excellent player just signed a new long term contract with Citeh. I think he must get out on loan or he will fade away. There is many opportunities for Pep to give him game time but doesn't use it, they have so many World class players waiting in the wings its hardly surprising. He needs regular Premiership football, I think he would be in the England set up within one season given such a chance.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Stan Tastic » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:40 pm

gtclaret wrote:Excellent player just signed a new long term contract with Citeh. I think he must get out on loan or he will fade away. There is many opportunities for Pep to give him game time but doesn't use it, they have so many World class players waiting in the wings its hardly surprising. He needs regular Premiership football, I think he would be in the England set up within one season given such a chance.
He's far too good for the Scottish league.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:49 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -week.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He has featured in 12 1st team games including Saturdays defeat to Chelski scoring one goal.
Looks like Pepsi Max thinks a lot about the lad.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by JimMcDonald » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:52 pm

No chance Pep would let him anywhere near Burnley with the way we play (hoofball).

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:57 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:No chance Pep would let him anywhere near Burnley with the way we play (hoofball).
You obviously haven't seen us play then if you think that
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by JimMcDonald » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You obviously haven't seen us play then if you think that
I hope thats some kind of joke. We are awful to watch just boot it long to the big lumps up top.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by JimMcDonald » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:12 pm

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... long_balls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh what a suprise we have played the most long balls in the league hahahaha
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by DCWat » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:28 pm

I think it’s fair to say that we don’t utilise the midfield quite as much as many of us would like to see.

If he were to go out in loan (doubtful), it would surely be to a team that plays differently to us.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:32 pm

There is no chance he would come here. Partly because of our style and partly because of our use of loans.

Bournemouth would be ideal for all concerned.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by beddie » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Now he would be a cracking on loan signing. Can't see it really, Also who's going to pay his wages. Did I read he's just bought his mum a house for £2m.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:48 pm

beddie wrote:Now he would be a cracking on loan signing. Can't see it really, Also who's going to pay his wages. Did I read he's just bought his mum a house for £2m.
At least its not going in the bookies till then....... 30K a week

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:50 pm

You'd have thought he'd have looked at his mate Sancho at Dortmund and realised he'd be better off elsewhere.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by tim_noone » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:51 pm

beddie wrote:Now he would be a cracking on loan signing. Can't see it really, Also who's going to pay his wages. Did I read he's just bought his mum a house for £2m.
:o really?

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Dy1geo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:07 pm

If he came here would he actually get in the team, would Dyche put loyalty to current squad over a loan signing. If you get a good loan signing it can really add value to a team a player we could look at is Hudson-Adoi at Chelsea who is on the fringes of their first team

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Murger » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You obviously haven't seen us play then if you think that
You don't think we play hoofball?
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Aclaret » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Some call it hoofball and some call it a long diagonal ball or some people call it a long searching pass. Take your pick.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Fez » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:44 pm

We can pass the ball really well, usually though when we are in our own half as its then inevitably hit long.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:46 pm

Aclaret wrote:Some call it hoofball and some call it a long diagonal ball or some people call it a long searching pass. Take your pick.
I think it was Chelski v Citeh .... 2 passes from GK to opposition Pen area led to one of their Goals.... Commentator said "magnificent passes forward"....
We do it and its called "Hoofball" .....

Personally I couldnt give a hoofball what it is, as long as it works.

I am wary of posters on here whining about "hoofball" having heard that as an accusation by the "Great Shadsworth unwashed" in the Lancashire Blackbumegraph about our football. Reckon we have a few underbridge dwellers lurking on here too out of plain sight... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by SGr » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:25 pm

City surely wouldn’t loan him here, style, minutes - all wrong for Foden to develop.

I’d be looking for a powerful box to box or defensive type come January anyway - we really do need more athleticism in the side. And not just in the sense of running around for 90 minutes.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by MRG » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:28 pm

He is often seen in the area, his girlfriend lives in Crawshawbooth

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:22 pm

Get Tripps, Keane and Ben to get in touch with him, followed by a call from Sean to Pep and then let our Director of Football do his stuff. Toughen him up and let him see what it’s like at a different type of football club.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by colne-claret » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You obviously haven't seen us play then if you think that
Genuine question Tony. What style of football would you say describes us best?

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Falcon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:29 am

I think we play a mix of styles. You could hardly say our goal from Saturday was from hoofing.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Bosscat » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:31 am

Falcon wrote:I think we play a mix of styles. You could hardly say our goal from Saturday was from hoofing.
Spot on Falcon

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by BigChaCha » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:37 am

Genuine question Tony. What style of football would you say describes us best?
As well as not watching Burnley play before you've obviously not seen Tony's posting style before either ;)

In other words, leave a sarcastic reply then disappear into the night!
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:41 am

SGr wrote:City surely wouldn’t loan him here, style, minutes - all wrong for Foden to develop.

I’d be looking for a powerful box to box or defensive type come January anyway - we really do need more athleticism in the side. And not just in the sense of running around for 90 minutes.
Loftus Cheek fits the bill but cant see it.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:43 am

JimMcDonald wrote:I hope thats some kind of joke. We are awful to watch just boot it long to the big lumps up top.
Not a joke at all - and I can't even begin to imagine what you are watching if that's your opinion.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:18 am

ClaretTony wrote:Not a joke at all - and I can't even begin to imagine what you are watching if that's your opinion.
In fairness there were at least 5 games I can think of this season where not only did we not score, we actually didnt have a shot of note. In three of those games not a single shot on target!

Thats not including games like United where we didnt even compete at all.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Longsidelenny » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:27 am

Be careful cricketfield

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Ric_C » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:39 am

Hoofball is basically launching the ball up the pitch and hoping for the best. This is a lazy description of the way we try to play.

Our style is a mix of either trying to play in methodically through midfield, or if the space is confined, we (usually Ben Mee) hits a diagonal ball to one of our strikers.

I'd call this mixed football, and it plays to our limitations. Of course everyone wants to play "sexy" football, but surely we should all can understand this is very hard against the calibre of players we come up against.

Also I don't know where this idea of "big lumps" has come from. Wood and Barnes are not big lumps.

Our biggest failing this season has not been our style of play, but our strange switch from a pressing game to more of a sit deep tactic. I think the last 2 games has shown a major switch in tactics to the former.

Put teams under pressure and you can make good teams look very average.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by dougcollins » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:19 pm

Though you would have to say Wood is doing a pretty good impression of a big lump.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Dy1geo » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:26 pm

Dyche’s still of play has been typecast in the same box as Allardyce and Pulis and it is an easy labelling we have got, this has been taken from the BBC site after The Newcastle game,

“Burnley also appear to have another problem, with former England defender Danny Mills critical of the predictable nature of their attacking play.

"I'm a massive fan of Sean Dyche, but you can't keep playing like that - pumping long balls up to two big lads up front," Mills told BBC Radio 5 live.

"They need something different. They'll score the odd goal like that but not two or three and then you're not going to dominate sides, so you'll always be under pressure. They need to change the way they play."

The reason why we finished high up last season was that we at times played some high tempo football with excellent link play between Defour, Cork and Hendrick with JBG and Brady providing the width.
In many of our earlier matches we were slow in possession and resorted to knocking it long, thankfully the last two matches we have played more like last season and if we carry on in the same manner we will start to climb the league.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by claretspice » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:19 pm

I'd describe our style of play as "pragmatic" and "reactive". We're very happy to hit a long ball when it suits us - with varying degree of calculation. We're happy to keep possession, but in truth we're not a team of the most fluid movers, and we struggle to pass through teams. We play our most penetrating football when we win the ball back high and break on teams or when we set play up with intelligent and well constructed long-diagonals, and then back play up and control the play in the opposition half (and once we get into good positions, we often play some decent stuff).

Nothing wrong with any of that, but it isn't going to get the best out of a young kid like Phil Foden, who has been brought up in teams that monopolise the ball - partly, because the structure of our attacking play is very different, but also because he's quite understandably going to take a long time to get used to the way we play without the ball. He's used to playing in teams who have 2/3 possession over 90 minutes at City, and who are rarely under real pressure. It's the exact reverse at Burnley and so however diligent he may be, he's going to struggle to acclimatise to that, both defensively but also in terms of how infrequently he'd have the ball in "creative" positions, and the resulting pressure to maximise each opportunity.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by northernpowerhouse » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:25 pm

I'd take Dominic Solanke on loan from Liverpool. Hasn't played a game this season.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by 9thMay1987 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:43 pm

I would have thought 2 top class loan signings would be a progressive approach to the upcoming window,

Take the plunge. Pay the loan fee and the wages and see if it gets us out of trouble.

If the worst happens we are not stuck with long term contracts and big wages.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by SGr » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Loftus Cheek fits the bill but cant see it.
Very versatile player too - would make perfect sense for a loan deal. Shame really

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by JohnMac » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:07 pm

I get fed up of Managers trotting out the same old lines about us, Houghton being the latest.

'We know all about their direct style and physical play'.

I wish we had been direct and physcal in October and November, we might have won a few points.

As for Foden, he does need to play games otherwise he'll just be the new Joe Cole, Jack Wilshere type who have a steady career without really fulfilling the promise.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:12 pm

On what basis would you propose signing a player on loan who " hasnt played a game this season "

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote:I'd take Dominic Solanke on loan from Liverpool. Hasn't played a game this season.
With good reason.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

9thMay1987 wrote:I would have thought 2 top class loan signings would be a progressive approach to the upcoming window,

Take the plunge. Pay the loan fee and the wages and see if it gets us out of trouble.

If the worst happens we are not stuck with long term contracts and big wages.
Absolutely. Loftus cheek and drinkwater. Just give chelsea 10m for the pair for rest of season.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:31 pm

He’s been involved for Chelsea in most games for the past 6 weeks so I can’t see that one happening with Loftus-Cheek

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by jojomk1 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:18 pm

If Loftus Cheek goes anywhere, it will be to Palace
As for Solanke, he could end up at Huddersfield or Rangers
Given our style of play, he could not cope with long high balls thrown up to him (our regular guys are struggling to cope and they've been used to it for several years now)

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by bobinho » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:17 pm

Sometimes, we are guilty of passing too much. I wish someone would take responsibility around the edge of the box and have a crack now and then.

We play limited football, because that is where we are at the moment. We certainly try to mix it a little, but without players at the skill levels of Citeh and Chelski, we can't provide that same style of football.

Id personally be very happy if in two years time we are where Bournemouth are right now with regards to the style being played.

And as far as Phil Foden is concerned, he won't be coming here for the two very good reasons pointed out above. Great player though, he's going to be something very special I believe - maybe the best since Gazza was a young un.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Untinted Glasses » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:29 pm

DYCHE’S FOOTBALL: A MORE COMPLETE VIEW

12/11/2017 • Premier League

There is more than enough evidence to suggest that long balls are a defining part of Dyche’s attacking style. In his recent analysis of Premier League kick-off routines, Michael Cox revealed that Burnley were one of two teams to hit a long ball out of play at the earliest available opportunity, the other team being Leicester City.

Directness in this particular sub-section of the game is fairly common, as Cox found out, but for Burnley a similar approach is taken throughout the entirety of a match. They play more long balls per game (77) than any other team in English football’s top tier. That statistic in itself does not offer a clear enough picture, however, as it doesn’t come with much context.

Perhaps a better way to measure the directness of Premier League possession games is to count how many long balls each team plays per short pass. This at least gives a slightly broader view of the types of pass teams tend to play. However, in this respect, Burnley’s directness is only further emphasised.

Dyche’s side play one long pass for every 3.5 short passes. The nearest team to them is West Bromwich Albion, up until recently managed by Tony Pulis, who play one long ball for every 3.6 short passes. Leicester are third in this particular league table with one per 4.2 short passes. The Premier League average is one long ball per 5.9 short passes.

Burnley’s attacks are, evidently, based around long balls. But to put them and West Brom – who are currently just outside the relegation zone – in the same boat would be wrong.

The Clarets’ attacking strategy is a cohesive one: they possess two of the most consistently successful target men in the division in Sam Vokes and Chris Wood, while their midfield are keenly aware of the runs they need to make off said target men while the ball is in the air.

Whoever is chosen to lead the line rarely finds himself isolated, and the support provided allows the second ball to be won cleanly.

This type of possession allows Burnley to bypass opposition pressure and progress up the field quickly, with less risk of giving the ball away close to goal through poor quality build-up among the defenders. And they do this while targeting dangerous areas; Pep Guardiola referenced this in October, saying: “They deserve a lot of credit…They are masters at attacking the channel.”

It’s fair to say that Dyche’s attacking style consistent predominantly of ‘long ball football’ to use a generic term, though his tactics also include an organised defensive game.

His Burnley defend in an aggressively man-oriented manner – not the relentless but at times kamikaze approach popularised and romanticised by Marcelo Bielsa and Gian Piero Gasperini in France and Italy, but something slightly looser.

His strikers are active and defend from the front, and there is an impressive intensity to the team’s closing down that comes from being in constant close proximity to the opposition, as well as an emphasis on pressing in midfield to stultify opposition build-up. They are, in short, very difficult to play through.

Dyche may struggle to connect with the wider footballing populace for as long as he rallies against some invisible dark force he perceives to be conspiring against him. However, his tactics are sound. His attacking style may look slightly out of place in today’s Premier League, but it works.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Untinted Glasses » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:29 pm

We are most definitely a long ball team

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by jojomk1 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:47 pm

Dyche may struggle to connect with the wider footballing populace for as long as he rallies against some invisible dark force he perceives to be conspiring against him. However, his tactics are sound. His attacking style may look slightly out of place in today’s Premier League, but it works.

Not working quite so well this season
And his struggle to connect with the wider footballing populace is why he is maybe at his peak in management terms

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by Quicknick » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:17 am

JimMcDonald wrote:https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... long_balls

Oh what a suprise we have played the most long balls in the league hahahaha
Watch a few YouTube videos of the great Liverpool team of the late 70s and 80s. They were architects of the long accurate ball. Forward, diagonally.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by JimMcDonald » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:14 am

We arent the great Burnley team of the 10s though.
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Re: Phil Foden

Post by JTClaret » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:47 am

Of course we are a long ball team, and quite often hoof it out.
What I find strange is the amount of fans I hear complaining at the passing around the back when nobody in midfield is making themselves available, screaming to play a forward ball - which often ends up being a big punt up front. I love a long pass as much as the next person, but when it's going to lead to an aerial challenge, it's essentially hoofed.

If the defence is under pressure, it's hoofed, in the hope that we stop the next attack earlier and are able to break properly.

Up until the last 2 games though our pressing style of defence hasn't been there. And I'll be honest, I love watching us defend in this pressing manner with the organisation we became renowned for. When the midfield press in this way and win the ball, hoofing it isn't an option and sets the tone for a passing play.

I hope we continue the style of the last 2 games, because if we do, the terrible start to the season will be all but forgotten.

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Re: Phil Foden

Post by PWBFC » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Starts tonight, hope he does well.

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