This morning’s polling

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:03 am

Think she will win but have so many votes against she still ought to quit. If she goes there is obviously a time issue on brexit.

An interim brexiteer pm is the obvious way forward. So that means davis or someone like IDS. They cocked up last time by game playing. They need to agree beforehand a single brexiteer to take on the establishment.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:15 am

And replace her with whom?

And that person will have even less of a mandate than she does

One of the many problems that people have is that the alternatives are worse.

David Davis and IDS for example are very, very, very poor at what they do, Davis because he's not a details man, and IDS because he's as thick as mince.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:26 am

No one...I repeat no one would have or will get a better deal than Theresa May has done.
All these MP's who are against her talk a good talk,most of them would sh*t themselves if they had to cope with what she has.
Now is not the time to change the PM.Get Brexit sorted and then is the time to change if thats what the country wants.At the earliest it would be the end of January to elect a new leader and that is too late...The pound would go into freefall and so would the FTSE.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:39 am

Thr brexiteers should be given the chance to get a proper brexit. They might although it would be against the odds. Its the only chance of this issue not festering for decades.

The DUP will pot May's deal anyway so voc helps speed up things.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:40 am

They have had it summit.

thats why the last two years have been such a **** show.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:44 am

No. From day one remainer mps gave undermined our negotiating position.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:47 am

No, that is you making stuff up because you have never attempted to face reality.

**** it, why are you suddenly going to start now?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:49 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:And replace her with whom?

And that person will have even less of a mandate than she does

One of the many problems that people have is that the alternatives are worse.

David Davis and IDS for example are very, very, very poor at what they do, Davis because he's not a details man, and IDS because he's as thick as mince.

IDS is also a ******* psycho.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:50 am

summitclaret wrote:Thr brexiteers should be given the chance to get a proper brexit. They might although it would be against the odds. Its the only chance of this issue not festering for decades.

The DUP will pot May's deal anyway so voc helps speed up things.

Maybe if they had stopped quitting their jobs, or challenges the last leadership contest, they'd have got the off-a-cliff option they're dying for.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:51 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:That would be a dumb as **** reason to delete a thread.

To some maybe, to others not. Depends on your point of view but personally I don't give a toss. 3 new threads a day on Brexit is getting boring as sh!t though.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:53 am

houseboy wrote:To some maybe, to others not. Depends on your point of view but personally I don't give a toss. 3 new threads a day on Brexit is getting boring as sh!t though.

quite an exaggeration there.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:55 am

summitclaret wrote:No. From day one remainer mps gave undermined our negotiating position.

At least Remoaner MPs have actually been put in their position by the ballot box.

Some of their leading co-conspirators and protagonists in the sinister establishment and political class plot to undermine democracy, have never received a single vote in their lives.

Gina Miller, Andrew Adonis and Alistair Campbell.......

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:57 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:quite an exaggeration there.

Absolutely bud. It's called hyperbole. An over-statement to get a point across - not to be taken literally. I know it's early bud but keep up.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:03 am

Like you statement yesterday on the EU being a "corrupt dictatorship"?

I'm glad that you didn't expect anyone to take that seriously!

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:04 am

Here’s the running order....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:04 am

Great tweet from Susie Dent this morning

https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1 ... 3369326592" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:05 am

Teresa Mays prime ministership is looking more like she's in charge of a cemetery.

Lots of people underneath her, but no one's listening......

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:08 am

summitclaret wrote:No. From day one remainer mps gave undermined our negotiating position.

If we had told the EU from day one we will go onto WTO rules if we don't get a good deal, do you really believe that the EU would have panicked and therefore we would now be in a fantastic position and the envy of the world?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:10 am

Wasnt David Schneider the unfunny one in Alan Partridge ? He hasnt changed

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:12 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Great tweet from Susie Dent this morning

https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1 ... 3369326592" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brilliant!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:13 am

Been said a couple of times on the radio this morning that If we have a Clean Genuine Brexit on a WTO rules basis. It means any existing trade rules can stay in place for a maximum of years. That would negate any imagined Irish border problems. We'd have 10 years to sort it. Apparently if the EU wouldn't agree they be in breach of international law.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:13 am

Who knows we didn't try. That's the point.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:15 am

summitclaret wrote:Thr brexiteers should be given the chance to get a proper brexit. They might although it would be against the odds. Its the only chance of this issue not festering for decades.

The DUP will pot May's deal anyway so voc helps speed up things.

How? Parliament won’t allow a no deal Brexit. The cabinet has been full of Brexit figures, and they’ve mostly resigned. They haven’t stepped up to the plate. Even when no longer tied to a government position they’ve hardly been full of fresh new ideas. ERG hasn’t put forward a coherent plan (several fag packet ones that they withdrew right away). At some point leave voters have to conclude they’ve been sold a complete lemon.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:20 am

May set off round Europe yesterday. She set off with nowt. And to her credit, she came back with most of it left.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:20 am

houseboy wrote:Absolutely bud. It's called hyperbole. An over-statement to get a point across - not to be taken literally. I know it's early bud but keep up.

That's what i just said.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:33 am

IF there's to be a general election, with May at the helm, having being seen by large swaithes of its core vote to renege on its 2017 manifesto pledge. The Tories will be electorally goosed. With many tory backbenchers on wafer thin majorities in their seats. For purely self preservation , they'll want shut. For that reason, I think she'll be gone. Could be wrong....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:38 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:IF there's to be a general election, with May at the helm, having being seen by large swaithes of its core vote to renege on its 2017 manifesto pledge. The Tories will be electorally goosed. With many tory backbenchers on wafer thin majorities in their seats. For purely self preservation , they'll want shut. For that reason, I think she'll be gone. Could be wrong....

Would you like her to hold on to her Premiership?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:41 am

I'm glad he's put "could be wrong"

One thing is abundantly clear from here on in, everybody could well wrong!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:42 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:be

Sir, you dropped this.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:42 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Would you like her to hold on to her Premiership?

Yes. And take all the existing Remoaner infested negotiating team with her.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:44 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm glad he's put "could be wrong"

One thing is abundantly clear from here on in, everybody could well wrong!

Except your good self.

Remember your claim. "I do have the unfortunate habit of been right most of the time!".......

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:46 am

Spijed wrote:If we had told the EU from day one we will go onto WTO rules if we don't get a good deal, do you really believe that the EU would have panicked and therefore we would now be in a fantastic position and the envy of the world?

What do you think ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ meant?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:46 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Except your good self.

Remember your claim. "I do have the unfortunate habit of been right most of the time!".......

"Most" of the time.

If you're going to live here then learn to speak the ******* language.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:48 am

I admit when I'm wrong.

Unlike some.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:58 am

Theresa May should have been booted out last summer after a pathetic election campaign when half of the manifesto had to be binned.

I don't remember a time in recent history any party leader threw away a 20 point lead and lost a majority.

I'm no Corbyn fan but he won the TV debates hands down in 2017.

Sadly i think she'll cling on tonight,the important issue is the numbers if she wins narrowly does she still have the authority to continue.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:04 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:"Most" of the time.

If you're going to live here then learn to speak the ******* language.

The quotation marks at either end of the sentence. "I do have the unfortunate habit of been right most of the time!"......

Indicate I'm using some one else's words. An educated person would have seen that. Please aim your anger and recommendations of elocution lessons to that person. Thank you.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:05 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I admit when I'm wrong.

Unlike some.

No, you simply block the poster who's proven you wrong. It's interesting technique.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:08 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:The quotation marks at either end of the sentence. "I do have the unfortunate habit of been right most of the time!"......

Indicate I'm using some one else's words. An educated person would have seen that. Please aim your anger and recommendations of elocution lessons to that person. Thank you.

I think Turtle maybe questioning your understanding of the word ‘most’.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:10 am

No idea what you are saying mate, but based on previous experience its something to do with not being able to hack being wrong.

I blocked you because you are not interested in my opinion, you just read what you want to read. You even read and then say stuff I haven't actually posted. You then started to question what I knew about Burnley, despite having supported them my entire life and my parents both being from East Lancs and most of my family still living there. You then went further and started to make assumptions about my life and where I lived. When you started to take an interest in where I might live I realised that you needed help.

This board went downhill when you started spreading your bile on here and I'm glad I can no longer read most of it.

Have I been clear enough?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:13 am

Anyway, back to the reality of what is going on

How awkward is this?

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/10 ... 8614214656" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:13 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:No idea what you are saying mate, but based on previous experience its something to do with not being able to hack being wrong.

I blocked you because you are not interested in my opinion, you just read what you want to read. You even read and then say stuff I haven't actually posted. You then started to question what I knew about Burnley, despite having supported them my entire life and my parents both being from East Lancs and most of my family still living there. You then went further and started to make assumptions about my life and where I lived. When you started to take an interest in where I might live I realised that you needed help.

This board went downhill when you started spreading your bile on here and I'm glad I can no longer read most of it.

Have I been clear enough?

Crystal.

Your prepared to make utter garbage up instead of admitting you can't accept you're wrong and choose to block me.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:15 am

martin_p wrote:I think Turtle maybe questioning your understanding of the word ‘most’.

I wouldn't credit him with that. But great "get out of jail free" card you've just produced for your buddy there!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:18 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:I wouldn't credit him with that. But great "get out of jail free" card you've just produced for your buddy there!

No get out of jail card, just the ability to read and understand. Why did you think he’d pointed you at the word ‘most’?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:18 am

Sure someone will copy and paste it if its bad. Knew I shouldn't have told him some home truths. Ah well, life goes on.

Anyway, they reckon about 100+ will vote for her to go, and about 150 will vote for her to stay.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Sure someone will copy and paste it if its bad. Knew I shouldn't have told him some home truths. Ah well, life goes on.

Anyway, they reckon about 100+ will vote for her to go, and about 150 will vote for her to stay.

It’s straight out of the Wrongo playbook Lancs. Hes so predictable I could have written it myself.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:23 am

I've only ever blocked two people in my life.

I don't block any other breixiteer. I wouldn't block any other brexiteer. I listen and debate with all other Brexiteers. Just not with him.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:28 am

As it is a secret ballot then MP's can publicly support Theresa (keep their jobs) and then stab her in the back. Probably best for a new leader to be elected as her 'control freak' personality is obviously not suitable for an 'inclusive' and democratic political system.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:32 am

martin_p wrote:No get out of jail card, just the ability to read and understand. Why did you think he’d pointed you at the word ‘most’?

And like him you're unwilling to accept the word "most" wasn't mine.

"I do have the unfortunate habit of been right most of the time!"......

Pure arrogance.

Look, on such a momentous day like today I'm not going to go down a conversation cul de sac. There's much more interesting things going on.

May. Will she still be PM tomorrow Martin? Stick your neck out.....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:32 am

Its a good point about treating people tweeting support and voting differently.

Apparently MPs have been putting in, withdrawing letters, putting them in again and withdrawing again.

Nothing is certain.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:35 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I've only ever blocked two people in my life.

I don't block any other breixiteer. I wouldn't block any other brexiteer. I listen and debate with all other Brexiteers. Just not with him.

The idea that you blocked me cos I made "assumptions about my life and where I lived. When you started to take an interest in where I might live I realised that you needed help." Is laughable!

It's common knowledge where you live.

An ivory tower.