Living on the Streets

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:19 am

I heard this week that Fairytale of New York The Pogues has been labelled offensive because the word faggot features. What a sick society we live in. There's people living on the streets at this time of year, quite possibly never had any guidance in their lives and nobody who cared enough to stop the downward spiral. The Government seem to do very little to help these outcasts in our society which somehow seems more heartbreaking at this time of year. The Government appear happy for people to suffer in this way but by God don't call anyone a faggot or utter anything that may sound remotely racist. Sick society.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:29 am

They're after the Baby It's Cold Outside song too for some reason.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:29 am

Perhaps both can be unacceptable?

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:34 am

Healeywoodclaret wrote:I heard this week that Fairytale of New York The Pogues has been labelled offensive because the word faggot features. What a sick society we live in. There's people living on the streets at this time of year, quite possibly never had any guidance in their lives and nobody who cared enough to stop the downward spiral. The Government seem to do very little to help these outcasts in our society which somehow seems more heartbreaking at this time of year. The Government appear happy for people to suffer in this way but by God don't call anyone a faggot or utter anything that may sound remotely racist. Sick society.

Sadly I think that's so true HWC...I think the term used to discribe these Governments and incidentally some people who vote for these Governments as to have... double standards.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:20 am

The Fairytale of New York problem is easily solvable. Just dub over the offending phrase with the alternative, “You Taped over Taggart”. That way nobody is offended, yet the ‘80s vibe is maintained.

A.Claret.Fan · Post by **A.Claret.Fan** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:40 am

Don't worry about it!

RELAX

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:45 am

Lord Beamish wrote:The Fairytale of New York problem is easily solvable. Just dub over the offending phrase with the alternative, “You Taped over Taggart”. That way nobody is offended yet the ‘80s vibe is maintained.

that, Sir, is genius in a jar.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:51 am

Scumbag!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:56 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:They're after the Baby It's Cold Outside song too for some reason.

That's based on a misinterpretation of the story of the song. I have sympathy with the complaints about "faggot" though. It is a homosexual slur and should be faded out of the song when played on radios, which i believe is what happens, but nothing more.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:58 am

Saddos taking another word completely out of context. It’s an Irish song about Irish problems and has nothing to do with gays.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:58 am

I always thought 'baby it's cold outside' sounded a bit rapey

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:03 am

Damo wrote:I always thought 'baby it's cold outside' sounded a bit rapey

It's an easy mistake to make, and if i had listened more closely to it I've no doubt i'd have made the same mistake.

I didn't even know of the controversy until i was browsing /r/bestof and happened upon this explanation of the song.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comment ... g/ebgw2dg/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:05 am

No chance of "fading" out the problem of people living rough on the streets though without the Government making efforts to help these people. We wouldn't even allow dogs to live on the streets so why is this a problem which is getting worse in our towns and cities?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:06 am

One word

Austerity

And its a massive credit to you that you are calling this out.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:08 am

All the while people are pontificating about the word faggot which as pointed out by a previous poster has nothing to do with homosexuality in Irish culture.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:09 am

Healeywoodclaret wrote:No chance of "fading" out the problem of people living rough on the streets though without the Government making efforts to help these people. We wouldn't even allow dogs to live on the streets so why is this a problem which is getting worse in our towns and cities?

Maybe stop treating those of us who talk about the problem and want the government to do something about homelessness and the causes of homelessness as if we're far-left communists?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:12 am

Healeywoodclaret wrote:All the while people are pontificating about the word faggot which as pointed out by a previous poster has nothing to do with homosexuality in Irish culture.

It also has nothing to do with people living on the streets.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:12 am

Turtle you are a top class pontificator. This is a serious issue. I don't stress quite as much about words that might be offensive.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:13 am

Healeywoodclaret wrote:Turtle you are a top class pontificator. This is a serious issue. I don't stress quite as much about words that might be offensive.

And what is it i'm pontificating about right now that is clearly offending you so?

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:13 am

Tall Paul wrote:It also has nothing to do with people living on the streets.

It does because for the life of me I can't understand why people don't feel as strongly about people living on the streets as they do about offensive words.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:14 am

Healeywoodclaret wrote:It does because for the life of me I can't understand why people don't feel as strongly about people living on the streets as they do about offensive words.

OK. Raise welfare for the poor and make accessing it easier. Stop voting for politicians who vilify the poor and make the problem worse.
Or you could just pontificate about it and carry on as you no doubt will.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:18 am

Healeywoodclaret wrote:It does because for the life of me I can't understand why people don't feel as strongly about people living on the streets as they do about offensive words.

Who are these people and how do you know they don't?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:21 am

Tall Paul wrote:Who are these people and how do you know they don't?

It's a deflection technique. He doesn't give a **** about the homeless. They never do when the only time they get riled up about homelessness is when someone else is getting talked about that they don't want to be talked about.

It's like how in the US the only time conservatives give a **** about black-on-black gun crime is when anyone talks about police brutality against unarmed black people. It's a common conservative tactic.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:23 am

Saw the David Hasselhoff - Jump in my car video the other night whilst flicking through channels.......

Here are the opening lyrics

- the video is on Youtube, its hilarious

Lyrics
Jump in my car
I wanna take you home
Jump in my car
It's too far walk on your own
Ah come on I'm a trustworthy guy
(No thank-you sir)
Oh little girl I wouldn't tell you no lies
(I know your game)
How can you say that we only just met
(You're all the same)
Ooh she's got me there, but I'll get her yet
(I got you there)
No you didn't I was catching my breath, and look it's starting to rain and baby you'll catch your death
(Well I dunno)
Ah come it comes nothing to try and you'll arrive home nice and dry
Jump in my car
I wanna take you home
Jump in my car
It's too far walk on your own

Its

sleeperclaret · Post by **sleeperclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:25 am

I imagine it's easier to fix a word in a song that is offensive than it is to fix the widespread problems of homelessness. And I doubt very much that much government time has been spent debating how best to dub the song. And I doubt that the song in question has refused to be dubbed or broken the rules that prevented it being dubbed by, for example, taking drugs in shelters etc.

In short, homelessness is a complex and difficult problem and there are few people who understand the causes or impacts. You'd need a perfect society to since it and we're far far away from having one.

There's also personal impact. I can easily complain about offensive song lyrics without any impacts on me. I can't take someone in from the streets and look after them without risk.

Reckoner · Post by **Reckoner** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:00 am

You are all totally missing the point. The Government should be putting all its efforts into changing the lyrics of Living In A Box by Living In A Box to Living in Sheltered Accommodation by Living In A Box. That way the ease of changing the lyrics of an 80s hit also solving homelessness. They could then suggest that Ebony & Ivory is rereleased on record stay day and Racism is cured by Easter too.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:01 am

They'll have to unban Easter though.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:06 am

Who, in the Government, is trying to ban FINY?

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:09 am

Healeywoodclaret wrote:I heard this week that Fairytale of New York The Pogues has been labelled offensive because the word faggot features. What a sick society we live in. There's people living on the streets at this time of year, quite possibly never had any guidance in their lives and nobody who cared enough to stop the downward spiral. The Government seem to do very little to help these outcasts in our society which somehow seems more heartbreaking at this time of year. The Government appear happy for people to suffer in this way but by God don't call anyone a faggot or utter anything that may sound remotely racist. Sick society.

There is a difference between being homeless and sleeping on the street. Nobody in Burnley is sleeping on the streets because they haven’t been offered an alternative.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:41 am

Burnley Ace wrote:There is a difference between being homeless and sleeping on the street. Nobody in Burnley is sleeping on the streets because they haven’t been offered an alternative.

That is simply not true.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:59 am

Baby Its Cold Outside - 2018 version

https://www.facebook.com/HoldernessFami ... 432589639/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:05 pm

TVC15 wrote:That is simply not true.

I think the "because" is inclusive. I don't think BurnleyAce is saying that there are no people sleeping on the streets in Burnley. I think they're saying that those who are are doing so for reasons other than not being offered an alternative.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:17 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think the "because" is inclusive. I don't think BurnleyAce is saying that there are no people sleeping on the streets in Burnley. I think they're saying that those who are are doing so for reasons other than not being offered an alternative.

Ok - that makes sense !
Apologies

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:51 pm

I am I the only one confused here.

It’s a bit like saying “why do people care about saying faggot in a song while people are dying every day in Yemen”

The two are not remotely related

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:58 pm

I wonder how much you actually care about homelessness? Have you thought of volunteering at a local shelter? You can probably use whatever language you like there as well because they won’t complain, they need the shelter.

I am always amazed by the fact May tries to portray herself as a Christian. She can’t be. Her policies are making people homeless at Christmas. At least Mary and Joseph had a barn.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:31 pm

Are you asking me how much I care about homelessness? I'm not prepared to discuss with you what I do to help these people however I can tell you I care a hell of a lot more about their plight than I do about words that are considered offensive to gay people or others.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:33 pm

Inchy wrote:I wonder how much you actually care about homelessness? Have you thought of volunteering at a local shelter? You can probably use whatever language you like there as well because they won’t complain, they need the shelter.

I am always amazed by the fact May tries to portray herself as a Christian. She can’t be. Her policies are making people homeless at Christmas. At least Mary and Joseph had a barn.

Policies that make people homeless at Christmas? Shows how much you care if you think they are only homeless at Christmas.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:35 pm

Healeywoodclaret wrote:Are you asking me how much I care about homelessness? I'm not prepared to discuss with you what I do to help these people however I can tell you I care a hell of a lot more about their plight than I do about words that are considered offensive to gay people or others.

I care about both homelessness AND about people who have been routinely murdered throughout history for their sexuality. Check out MY virtue! I can care about more than one group of people at a time. I bet you wish you could too.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:56 pm

Let's be honest, none of us are too arsed about helping anyone here. We're just t**tting around on a forum, killing time.

'Faggots' and the homeless are unlikely to give a toss about what guff we're typing today.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I care about both homelessness AND about people who have been routinely murdered throughout history for their sexuality. Check out MY virtue! I can care about more than one group of people at a time. I bet you wish you could too.

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Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:49 pm

NottsClaret wrote: We're just t**tting around on a forum, killing time.

THIS.
50 days until I retire.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Sleeping rough has risen by 120% in England since 2010 when the Tories took power. In Scotland it's fallen by 5%

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... and/14/12/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm sure this will affect the OP's views of the Tories and the SNP.

no it won't

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:47 pm

People need to get real. Fairytale of New York is a work of fiction about two 'down on their luck' drunks ranting at each other.

As for homelessness. I think it's a national disgrace.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:14 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:People need to get real. Fairytale of New York is a work of fiction about two 'down on their luck' drunks ranting at each other.

As for homelessness. I think it's a national disgrace.

The number of people losing their head over it is ridiculous.

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:30 pm

On the face of it that statistic could be a result of homeless Scots moving south

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:39 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Sleeping rough has risen by 120% in England since 2010 when the Tories took power. In Scotland it's fallen by 5%

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... and/14/12/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm sure this will affect the OP's views of the Tories and the SNP. no it won't

2010 As in, just after record breaking years for home repossessions? (Due to Labour's financial incompetence)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 8947012701" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:42 pm

Damo wrote:2010 As in, just after record breaking years for home repossessions? (Due to Labour's financial incompetence)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 8947012701" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah. And since then it has grown. But not in Scotland.

As for Labour's financial incompetence, is that why the American economy crashed? Is that why the European economy crashed? Was it all Labour's fault?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:23 pm

Damo wrote:2010 As in, just after record breaking years for home repossessions? (Due to Labour's financial incompetence)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 8947012701" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm no cheerleader for Labour, but to blame them for the international banking crisis, and its aftermath, shows either a stark naivety or a blatant disregard for the facts.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:52 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:I'm no cheerleader for Labour, but to blame them for the international banking crisis, and its aftermath, shows either a stark naivety or a blatant disregard for the facts.

Is it any worse than blaming Tories for the austerity that followed?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:54 pm

Damo wrote:Is it any worse than blaming Tories for the austerity that followed?

The Tories CHOSE austerity.